QB competition..

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Jax_Vol said:
Ok, I wasn't sure. In that case, Dobbs is my starter.

Yes, somehow Dooley did manage to land a few good ones. Let's stick with Tiny as our example.

But recruiting a QB is different. Especially, the elite ones.

I recall that we beat out a couple of small schools for Worley. Same with Peterman. Same with Ferguson.

When a QB picks you over the Citadel and MTSU...
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Wrong. See above post.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Riley Ferguson held offers from Alabama, LSU, CLemson and Michigan among others when he selected TN.

He is the real deal. He had the best offer list of any QB's on our roster.

He will start by mid season. Book It.

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See my post on CONTEXT. And the fact that his offer list was the most impressive of all our QBs makes me want to cry in my mashed potatoes.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Riley Ferguson held offers from Alabama, LSU, CLemson and Michigan among others when he selected TN.

He is the real deal. He had the best offer list of any QB's on our roster.

He will start by mid season. Book It.

Riley Ferguson - Yahoo! Sports
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Well he's not the announced starter for a reason...so what's that tell us about him?? Tells us that he's not much, if any better, than the other 3 we have. Soooo....👎
 
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Ok, I surrender. I obviously don't follow it that closely.

So what we are saying is that Derek Dooley is a great evaluator of football talent.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Ok, I wasn't sure. In that case, Dobbs is my starter.

Yes, somehow Dooley did manage to land a few good ones. Let's stick with Tiny as our example.

But recruiting a QB is different. Especially, the elite ones.
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Worley was a Parade AA and set all kinds of passing records. The evaluators for Rivals said they low balled him because of a hitch in his throwing motion that has NEVER been an issue for him at UT.

I recall that we beat out a couple of small schools for Worley. Same with Peterman. Same with Ferguson.

When a QB picks you over the Citadel and MTSU...
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Others have answered so I won't repeat... you really need to start check your facts and reasoning before posting. I'd rather be pals but these last few posts you've made have been pretty light weight.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Ok, I surrender. I obviously don't follow it that closely.

So what we are saying is that Derek Dooley is a great evaluator of football talent.
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What is says is that we have a bunch of second-tier QBs that came to UT because we sucked bad enough that they had a legitimate shot at being a starter and not a 3rd string QB on other power teams. Not saying that UT isnt a power team, but that our play over the last few years stinks worse than the dimly lit side of a hot donkey's nut sack.
 
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VolAllen said:
Well he's not the announced starter for a reason...so what's that tell us about him?? Tells us that he's not much, if any better, than the other 3 we have. Soooo....��
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Yes exactly! That was sorta my thinking. At least two of those four ain't all that good. And if no one can spate from the pack in spring training....? Makes you wonder.

If you have four quarterbacks, then you don't really have a quarterback.

Shall we fire up the' Peterman in the Swamp' game tape?
 
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MWAVolfan said:
What is says is that we have a bunch of second-tier QBs that came to UT because we sucked bad enough that they had a legitimate shot at being a starter and not a 3rd string QB on other power teams. Not saying that UT isnt a power team, but that our play over the last few years stinks worse than the dimly lit side of a hot donkey's nut sack.
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ching ching ching!!!

That was exactly what I was trying to say!

Thank u!
 
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VolAllen said:
Well he's not the announced starter for a reason...so what's that tell us about him?? Tells us that he's not much, if any better, than the other 3 we have. Soooo....��
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I think it tells us this.

Last year he was injured most of the second half of the season. Largely because of that injury he has the least (i.e. zero) game experience of any of the four.

Despite the lack of experience he is getting the most reps with the 1's of any QB on the roster this spring, including more than our senior returning QB.

I think this is evidence that the coaches see the high ceiling and extreme talent Riley has, and see the same thing Saban and Les Miles saw. Riley is a gamer.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Yes exactly! That was sorta my thinking. At least two of those four ain't all that good. And if no one can spate from the pack in spring training....? Makes you wonder.

If you have four quarterbacks, then you don't really have a quarterback.

Shall we fire up the' Peterman in the Swamp' game tape?
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Right. And that's what has been hurting us for YEARS.

Even as far back as the Ainge/Schaffer battle, we haven't had "our guy". Sure Ainge turned out to be pretty good, but he's really the only one in the last 7 or 8 years. Bray could have been the one, but his immaturity mixed with the Dooley years prevented him from becoming the legend he could have been.

We'll see what happens. I'm not too confident that any of these guys are as great as all of us want, but time will tell.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Weeeeeeeelllll, while technically true, lets not get full of ourselves.

Those other teams did in fact offer Worley, however lets look at the reality and not act like we "stole" Worley away...

-Notre Dame - Instead of Worley, Notre Dame had to "settle" for Everet Golson. that only lead to a trip to the NC game. bummer for them.
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They had coaching changes between but their interest in Worley was serious. They were a legit option for him.

-LSU - LSU got Jerrard Randall, a 4* dual threat
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Florida - Instead of Worley, Florida got Jeff Driskel, who according to Rivals.com was the #1 pro-style QB in that recruiting class (who also embarrassed the hell out of us on national TV in 2012).They also got Brissett, who was the #3 dual threat QB
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The interest was probably legit but there's a good chance that Worley would not have been taken ahead of those guys at UF. LSU he was probably a take.

Stanford and Fl. St both got 3* QBs that were ranked higher than Worley (again, based on Rivals.com)
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I believe that offer was also committable. Worley probably would have worked out well there.
 
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VolAllen said:
Right. And that's what has been hurting us for YEARS.

Even as far back as the Ainge/Schaffer battle, we haven't had "our guy". Sure Ainge turned out to be pretty good, but he's really the only one in the last 7 or 8 years. Bray could have been the one, but his immaturity mixed with the Dooley years prevented him from becoming the legend he could have been.

We'll see what happens. I'm not too confident that any of these guys are as great as all of us want, but time will tell.
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Compton was a sure thing 4-star recruit. And Bray was a 4-star.

These guys can fuss all they want, but as I recall, Worley, Peterman, and Ferguson were all 3-star recruits. Look it up on Scout. Yeah, they had offers from SEC schools...but not really much love there.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Compton was a sure thing 4-star recruit. And Bray was a 4-star.

These guys can fuss all they want, but as I recall, Worley, Peterman, and Ferguson were all 3-star recruits. Look it up on Scout. Yeah, they had offers from SEC schools...but not really much love there.
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Are you ever going to spend the time to get your facts straight?

Peterman was a 4* according to Rivals and the top ranked QB from FL that year. (Admittedly a down year in FL for QB's).


Just stop digging...
 
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I am glad we will finally get to see the guys actually play on Saturday. I just wonder how the reps will be split. That should be telling.

Just reading between the lines from different members of the Knoxville media and coach interviews and all that jazz my predicition is that when the competition is narrowed down to 2 players (if it is even narrowed down at all) then it looks like it will be Worley and Ferguson.
 
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Jones has made it pretty plain why he has not announced a starter. He wants to create competition. He's also made it pretty plain that he doesn't want to continue with a 4 player race... and appears to be honing it down. Worley is one of the guys who is in. EVERY shred of info we have says so. Right now Ferguson seems to be next but I would remind you guys that each of the 3 after Worley got "their shot" last fall also before Jones settled on Peterman as #2 and RSing the other two. Worley was the constant then. Worley is the constant now. If Ferguson settles into that two man battle THEN we can say there's a real battle and that the other two are not in it.
 
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If it is down to Worley vs Ferguson, does that make its battle between a Game Manager vs Gunslinger?
 
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coug said:
Also read that Butch put Ferguson in to do first team reps just to see what he can do.

I'm not "anti" Ferguson, I just haven't seen the kid play and nobody else has either so the rally behind him has me puzzled honestly. It's like blind faith. I have seen Dobbs play and not only is he not afraid to run when nobody is open but he's got a great arm.
Maybe Ferguson will get a shot at playing and we'll see how he handles it. Hopefully it doesn't turn out like Peterman but it really could.
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to the anti-dobbs guys, this cannot possibly be the case. he's getting 1st team reps ao by default he must be better than dobbs.....smmfh.

great post! :good!:
 
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jax_vol said:
yes, that could indeed be true. I put ferguson # 1 because i haven't seen him play. The three i saw play sadly aren't all that and a bag of chips.

Using that logic, i will rank them:

1) ferguson - i hope he is good enough to beat out the others. If not, we looking at 6-6
2) dobbs - some hope here
3) worley - not an sec quarterback but does have the most experience
4) peterman - not fair to him, but hard to erase the image of that one game.
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fair enough and respectable. Very respectable
 
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My opinion is:
1) Ferguson
2) Worley
t3) Dobbs and Peterman

My only hesitation is that Worley might get the nod based on experience but Fergie will be on his heels if this is the case.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Yeah, I do that a lot.

I got to go, but let it be known that I hope those four guys are all the next Bart Starr.
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Bart was a game manager. He didn't have Unitas's, Hart's, or even Gabriel's arm. But he got the job done while the other hotshots didn't.

Dobbs is more of an as yet, minor Roger Staubach. Ferguson, we just don't know. Worley is more of an Earl Morrall. Peterman, well, he needs another shot before i can really say anything. But I dare say, we haven't see the best of Dobbs yet.

Got hold of my deaf bud, rattled off an idea for another quick ani. He came up with this in about 25 minutes of work based on what I said I wanted to see.
https://vimeo.com/91440152
 
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