QB drive & unit comparisons

#27
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GOATeric14berry said:
After reading this


1 Worley
2a Dobbs
2b Peterman
4 Ferguson.
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I'd say Worley by a little then everyone else still in pursuit. Ferguson had a tough spring game but most reports seemed to suggest he had emerged as #2 going in. The coaches won't disregard his whole spring because Dobbs performed well while he performed poorly.

The big surprise is probably Peterman's effectiveness... but he's probably still #4 and chasing the other 3 at this point.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It sounded/looked like Riley was the only QB who had problems with pressure from the DL. Why would that be? Problems calling pass protections? Maybe? Help me out.
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Could be. Maybe pre-reads, post-snap reads, holding the ball too long, wrong line call, failure to audible, audible to the wrong play, bad pocket movement,.... or just getting stuck with OL's when they got beat. It is odd though that he was the only one who had trouble.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'd say Worley by a little then everyone else still in pursuit. Ferguson had a tough spring game but most reports seemed to suggest he had emerged as #2 going in. The coaches won't disregard his whole spring because Dobbs performed well while he performed poorly.

The big surprise is probably Peterman's effectiveness... but he's probably still #4 and chasing the other 3 at this point.
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Agree. Also, gotta credit Peterman for hanging in there and battling, shows kid's got character. Hopefully we won't have to put in our 4th string QB at any point this year. Also hope Josh Smith never sees the field either after last year. He and Peterman had similar seasons and we have better options at QB and certainly at WR.
 
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A look at JD's stats confirms Butch's concern about the two deep. We're a year or two away from being a solid football team.
 
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Volinnooga said:
I have a novel idea; instead of me trying to figure out from a scrimmage who is the best (particularly since its a bit confusing as to who was with 1st team O, who played against 2d team D, etc), I'll let the coaches decide who should play. I guess since they see them every day in practice, and since they have the experience to gauge such things, I'll let them decide.
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This is all just discussion. Though some opinions are not very well founded... nothing we say here will make a difference. I am not "pulling" for anyone particularly. I'm just trying to read the signs to see if I can tell what the coaches are thinking.

The signs are there for who leads and the O&W game seemed to confirm it. Worley did and has gone out consistently first with the 1's. Almost all of his work was against the 1's. That indicates the level at which they think he needs to be challenged.

The rest at this point are chasing and competing more with each other than Worley.

Dobbs did help his cause though by throwing the ball well and making a big play with his legs.
 
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sjt18 said:
This is all just discussion. Though some opinions are not very well founded... nothing we say here will make a difference. I am not "pulling" for anyone particularly. I'm just trying to read the signs to see if I can tell what the coaches are thinking.

The signs are there for who leads and the O&W game seemed to confirm it. Worley did and has gone out consistently first with the 1's. Almost all of his work was against the 1's. That indicates the level at which they think he needs to be challenged.

The rest at this point are chasing and competing more with each other than Worley.

Dobbs did help his cause though by throwing the ball well and making a big play with his legs.
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Spot on 18.
 
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orangeluvr said:
A look at JD's stats confirms Butch's concern about the two deep. We're a year or two away from being a solid football team.
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Define solid.

But FTR... you can't tell how "solid" the team is from O&W game stats by themselves.

UT is young but as deep and talented at WR as anyone in the SEC. Four QB's have shown the ability to play well. The OL is good but has a significant question at LT.

Statistically even missing their best DT, best S, and with limited play by AJ, the 1st team D didn't get run over.

They do not have a 2nd team that can go out and play as a unit successfully. That doesn't mean that none of the guys who played with the 2nd unit are incapable of providing depth and rotating in with the 1's.

They're young and still have some holes... but they may be closer than you think to being a "solid" football team.

Solid: definition- six to 8 wins, competitive in every game.
 
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KBVol said:
Agree. Also, gotta credit Peterman for hanging in there and battling, shows kid's got character. Hopefully we won't have to put in our 4th string QB at any point this year. Also hope Josh Smith never sees the field either after last year. He and Peterman had similar seasons and we have better options at QB and certainly at WR.
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I hope Smith improves enough that he is a viable option.

You never know what might happen. Hopefully all 4 QB's will be ready.... but UT only needs one of them to play. But I think it is a legitimate to ask how well QB's will hold up in CBJ's system against SEC level defensive talent.

I'd like to see one starter all year. I fear that we'll see more than one but not due to performance... rather injury.
 
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#35
Ok guys, listening to Ainge and he's lighting Riley up for his performance on Saturday. He's calling him a one trick pony, a QB who has a great arm but hasn't taken the time to immerse himself in understanding pass protection. Ainge is saying until he learns how to fully understand and call pass protections that he's like a gunslinger in a gunfight with a badass gun but no bullets. And that until he learns this that he can't play in the SEC.

Then he said something very interesting. He said he wonders if the coaches weren't trying to teach Riley a lesson in front of 68,000 fans on Saturday by throwing some blitzes at him which resulted in him giving up sacks and getting embarrassed. Ainge said that for the most part the first team D played vanilla base defense except versus Riley, and it showed, because he has no clue about pass protection which resulted in the 3 sacks he took. He finally said that IF Butch did this, he thinks it's a stroke of genius to teach Riley a lesson. I would have to agree.
 
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sjt18 said:
Define solid.

But FTR... you can't tell how "solid" the team is from O&W game stats by themselves.

UT is young but as deep and talented at WR as anyone in the SEC. Four QB's have shown the ability to play well. The OL is good but has a significant question at LT.

Statistically even missing their best DT, best S, and with limited play by AJ, the 1st team D didn't get run over.

They do not have a 2nd team that can go out and play as a unit successfully. That doesn't mean that none of the guys who played with the 2nd unit are incapable of providing depth and rotating in with the 1's.

They're young and still have some holes... but they may be closer than you think to being a "solid" football team.

Solid: definition- six to 8 wins, competitive in every game.
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Ok, bama . Three deep at most positions and they play tough, physical, football. CBJ has stated on several occasions, ''We're working at becoming a solid football team". :yes:
 
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sjt18 said:
Define solid.

But FTR... you can't tell how "solid" the team is from O&W game stats by themselves.

UT is young but as deep and talented at WR as anyone in the SEC. Four QB's have shown the ability to play well. The OL is good but has a significant question at LT.

Statistically even missing their best DT, best S, and with limited play by AJ, the 1st team D didn't get run over.

They do not have a 2nd team that can go out and play as a unit successfully. That doesn't mean that none of the guys who played with the 2nd unit are incapable of providing depth and rotating in with the 1's.

They're young and still have some holes... but they may be closer than you think to being a "solid" football team.

Solid: definition- six to 8 wins, competitive in every game.
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I think are holes are fairly significant. While we are supremely talented are some positions (WR, TE, RB) we also have some very important and critical positions where we're very deficient and will have to rely way too much on true freshmen and inexperienced players, primarily, obviously, on the OL and DL. We'll be much faster and athletic overall but the lack of proven players in the trenches concerns me, a lot. I feel pretty comfortable with our QB play.... I believe it will be Worley but would be more than happy with Dobbs as well.

We could be a much better team than last year's 5-7 team....and still go 5-7, which is where I would guess we'll wind up.
 
#39
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Nashvol2 said:
I've got

1a Worley
1b Dobbs
3 Ferguson
4 Peterman
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FWIW Jayson Swain tweeted his depth chart earlier.

Jayson Swain ‏@JaysonSwain 51m
How much weight does the staff put on the orange and white game?

My pre game QB depth chart
1 Worley
2 Ferguson
3 Dobbs
4 Peterman
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He followed up by saying

Jayson Swain ‏@JaysonSwain 50m
Couple of players had their best day of spring at the best time, on Saturday, in front 68k+.

Jayson Swain ‏@JaysonSwain 48m
"Gamer" is overplayed. Coaches make practice like the game everyday when entering the lines. Competitor is a competitor. Practice or game
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I wonder how much stock the coaches actually put in the game. Wonder if hes right. We dont really see what happens during the rest of the spring, and coaches usually look at the entire body of work and not just 1 scrimmage
 
#40
#40
Where did all the Fergy lover go??? lol

Everybody loves the guy they havent seen yet.

Worley
Dobbs
Peterman/Ferguson

IMO. I like Dobbs abilities better but he's gotta make better decisions. threw into tight coverage too much. Worley looked on point with almost every single throw.
 
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sjt18 said:
The big surprise is probably Peterman's effectiveness... but he's probably still #4 and chasing the other 3 at this point.
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The thing with Peterman is unless he emerges as the clear cut leader he will never get the start. If he's only comparable to Ferguson and Dobbs why would he? He is a good backup and would probably get to start at another school. He is in a bad spot imo with the fresh/soph being just as good.
 
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KBVol said:
Agree. Also, gotta credit Peterman for hanging in there and battling, shows kid's got character. Hopefully we won't have to put in our 4th string QB at any point this year. Also hope Josh Smith never sees the field either after last year. He and Peterman had similar seasons and we have better options at QB and certainly at WR.
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Josh smith will be a solid reciever this year. I don't understand all the hate for smith on this board. He dropped a couple of passes last year but he was playing as a true freshmen. I'd rather see Smith on the field than Croom any day of the week. Croom is 6-4 240 and is terrified of contact.
 
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Worley is the present. Riley is the future. One practice doesn't change that. Ferguson definitely needs to improve game management. Cannons don't ride the pine unless they're attached to a moron.
 
#46
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RF finished 7/12 should have been at least 8/12 as a receiver dropped a ball that hit him right in the hands. It would have kept the first drive alive. CBJ called blitzes when he was in and generic with the others. Why? He's trying to make a point and get him ready. Worley will and should start but I still think Butch is looking at Ferguson as the future. Props to Dobbs for the game he had. Where has he been all spring?
 
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UTProf said:
I guess I'm not really seeing what you're getting at unless you're trying to say our overall defense may be better than we've assumed. According to that breakdown, Worley, Dobbs, and Peterman all ran 2nd team O against 2nd team D as well without turnovers although Worley and Peterman didn't score with 2nd team O. I would hope 1st team O is better than 2nd team O but I'm not sure that the author broke the 1s and 2s down properly, or if he did, that 1s and 2s meant anything in terms of who is a 1st teamer come fall. Didn't Fergy throw a TD to Blanc? I know for certain one of the QBs did because Blanc is credited with a TD reception but Blanc can't possibly be on 1st team O.
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i think u UTProf have just figured out this was skewed from the jump. not only did he fail at an attempt to try and water down dobbs day, he failed to provide important facts for his guy as well. dayum
 
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#49
lexkyvol said:
by who created this thread, i knew this was gonna be followed by an excuse. smmfh
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Im not even on team Fergie. I just happen to look at the different variables when forming opinions. You just cry everytime someone doesnt name Dobbs the next Heisman. You want the other 3 to fail just so you can say "I told you so" instead of wanting the best guy.
 
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ProfessorD said:
So the biggest knock on dobbs coming out of the o&w game is he didn't face the 1st team d.
1. How is that his fault? CBJ didn't get him in against the ones so he took what he got and showed out.
2. Everyones argument is that the 2nd team d is a huge step down from the ones. If thats the case how did the come up with two turnovers against Riley?
I like the break down op thanks!
With this breakdown and from what I saw its clear that Worley did what he needed to solidify himself as the starter.
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the OP wasn't counting on anyone figuring this stuff out
 
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