QB drive & unit comparisons

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perico said:
Ainge was going on and on about it this morning. Saying basically that Riley hasn't really shown any grasp of protection schemes, but wowed people with his arm. I'm in the Worley camp, but at this point think Dobbs is a safer option to be the 2 and future starter (which doesn't mean I am writing off Ferguson already). Riley is like a Brandon Stewart. Great tools, but not sure he's got the mental aspect down yet.

Dobbs has his faults, but I don't worry about him not having mental understanding of anything... literally.
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Great analysis. The Brandon Stewart analogy is so apropos. There is no shame in waiting your turn, figuring things out, and making it count. Brandon Stewart ensured beyond doubt that Tennessee went to the Fiesta Bowl.

And if Butch was trying to motivate Riley F. over the summer, great job by the coach staff.
 
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perico said:
Ainge was going on and on about it this morning. Saying basically that Riley hasn't really shown any grasp of protection schemes, but wowed people with his arm. I'm in the Worley camp, but at this point think Dobbs is a safer option to be the 2 and future starter (which doesn't mean I am writing off Ferguson already). Riley is like a Brandon Stewart. Great tools, but not sure he's got the mental aspect down yet.

Dobbs has his faults, but I don't worry about him not having mental understanding of anything... literally.
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Stewart won a lot of games at Ta&m. I am not sure we have a QB on the squad that is close to where Stewart was. Stewart just had the misfortune of being on the same team with Peyton. I think Worley starts with Ferguson and Dobbs following. Peterman did better than most expected. With any production from the OL. we will score a lot of points this Fall.

A lot of newcomers will have to play well for us to win 7 or more games.
 
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#103
If Dobbs' performance was all because of 2nd team D why didn't the others show out against 2nd team D? If the drop-off were that extreme Peterman should've added at least one more TD and poor study habits/understanding or not Fergy should've padded his stats on those reps and he certainly shouldn't have been sacked/Int/fumbled let alone more than once against 2nd team D.

I think there's a lot of hemming and hawing about the fact that we were told by the media how the QB race was "a two-man race between Worley and Ferguson" only to see Ferguson turn in a pretty bad performance while Dobbs' performance was spectacular and Worley's was very good and Peterman's was surprisingly very solid. That turn of events threw egg all over the faces of the media that counted Dobbs out, barely talked about Worley, hardly talked about Peterman becoming a much more solid QB, and crowned Ferguson king and now people are scrambling for explanations as to how that happened. But the explanation is really simple - it was a great day for Dobbs, a very good one for Worley, a solid one for Peterman and a bad one for Fergy.

The media fell in love with an arm (happens to NFL scouts all the time) and forgot they only see portions of practice. That doesn't mean that we should throw Fergy out on the streets over a bad performance or because people fell in love with his arm and overhyped him/overlooked the others but it also doesn't mean we should downplay everyone else to make his performance look better. If anything the other 3 QBs vast improvement from where they were last year shows he can and should improve with time and that time frame may be sooner than anyone expects or it may be later but if he works at his weaknesses I have no doubt he will improve.
 
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UTProf said:
If Dobbs' performance was all because of 2nd team D why didn't the others show out against 2nd team D? If the drop-off were that extreme Peterman should've added at least one more TD and poor study habits/understanding or not Fergy should've padded his stats on those reps and he certainly shouldn't have been sacked/Int/fumbled let alone more than once against 2nd team D.

When you look at the OP, you see that 100% of the times that the 1st team offense faced the 2nd team D, the offense scored no matter who was leading them. (Even Fergie)
100% of the time the 2nd team offense faced the 2nd team D, the offense failed to score, no matter who was leading them. (Even Worley and Dobbs)

I think there's a lot of hemming and hawing about the fact that we were told by the media how the QB race was "a two-man race between Worley and Ferguson" only to see Ferguson turn in a pretty bad performance while Dobbs' performance was spectacular and Worley's was very good and Peterman's was surprisingly very solid. That turn of events threw egg all over the faces of the media that counted Dobbs out, barely talked about Worley, hardly talked about Peterman becoming a much more solid QB, and crowned Ferguson king and now people are scrambling for explanations as to how that happened. But the explanation is really simple - it was a great day for Dobbs, a very good one for Worley, a solid one for Peterman and a bad one for Fergy.

You dont believe in good and bad days do you?

The media fell in love with an arm (happens to NFL scouts all the time) and forgot they only see portions of practice. That doesn't mean that we should throw Fergy out on the streets over a bad performance or because people fell in love with his arm and overhyped him/overlooked the others but it also doesn't mean we should downplay everyone else to make his performance look better. If anything the other 3 QBs vast improvement from where they were last year shows he can and should improve with time and that time frame may be sooner than anyone expects or it may be later but if he works at his weaknesses I have no doubt he will improve.
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UTProf said:
If Dobbs' performance was all because of 2nd team D why didn't the others show out against 2nd team D? If the drop-off were that extreme Peterman should've added at least one more TD and poor study habits/understanding or not Fergy should've padded his stats on those reps and he certainly shouldn't have been sacked/Int/fumbled let alone more than once against 2nd team D.

I think there's a lot of hemming and hawing about the fact that we were told by the media how the QB race was "a two-man race between Worley and Ferguson" only to see Ferguson turn in a pretty bad performance while Dobbs' performance was spectacular and Worley's was very good and Peterman's was surprisingly very solid. That turn of events threw egg all over the faces of the media that counted Dobbs out, barely talked about Worley, hardly talked about Peterman becoming a much more solid QB, and crowned Ferguson king and now people are scrambling for explanations as to how that happened. But the explanation is really simple - it was a great day for Dobbs, a very good one for Worley, a solid one for Peterman and a bad one for Fergy.

The media fell in love with an arm (happens to NFL scouts all the time) and forgot they only see portions of practice. That doesn't mean that we should throw Fergy out on the streets over a bad performance or because people fell in love with his arm and overhyped him/overlooked the others but it also doesn't mean we should downplay everyone else to make his performance look better. If anything the other 3 QBs vast improvement from where they were last year shows he can and should improve with time and that time frame may be sooner than anyone expects or it may be later but if he works at his weaknesses I have no doubt he will improve.
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This:lolabove:
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
lol I see that now. dont know how I missed it
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:toast: I think the real problem here is that the media and even fans set expectations unrealistically high for Fergy and too low for Worley, Dobbs, and Peterman. The media led the charge on that and it did come to the point where even if Fergy had had a great day at the O&W game he'd have had a hard time meeting the expectations that were set. People were expecting him to come out and unseat everyone and really just work miracles despite only being rising RS Frosh/Sophomore who was getting his first taste of leading the team in front of a big crowd while managing a complicated offense against defenders who are going faster and harder than they normally go in practice - that is a lot of pressure on a guy who doesn't have experience to lean on and who is playing his first spring game.

I also think it's unfair that Ainge of all people is the one shredding him over what Ainge now says is 'not studying' enough because while it may be true that Ferguson needs to study more, Ainge was the leader of the band in terms of creating sky high expectations that couldn't have been met even with a good day. People wouldn't be asking 'what happened?' if they hadn't been told to expect the moon and stars above out of Riley by Ainge and others.

Riley had a bad day but the silver lining is that now when he steps onto the field instead of being the second coming of Bray, Manning or whatever else fans projected onto him, he can simply be Riley Ferguson and that's a good thing for his development as a QB and for our team as a whole.
 
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UTProf said:
:toast: I think the real problem here is that the media and even fans set expectations unrealistically high for Fergy and too low for Worley, Dobbs, and Peterman. The media led the charge on that and it did come to the point where even if Fergy had had a great day at the O&W game he'd have had a hard time meeting the expectations that were set. People were expecting him to come out and unseat everyone and really just work miracles despite only being rising RS Frosh/Sophomore who was getting his first taste of leading the team in front of a big crowd while managing a complicated offense against defenders who are going faster and harder than they normally go in practice - that is a lot of pressure on a guy who doesn't have experience to lean on and who is playing his first spring game.

I also think it's unfair that Ainge of all people is the one shredding him over what Ainge now says is 'not studying' enough because while it may be true that Ferguson needs to study more, Ainge was the leader of the band in terms of creating sky high expectations that couldn't have been met even with a good day. People wouldn't be asking 'what happened?' if they hadn't been told to expect the moon and stars above out of Riley by Ainge and others.

Riley had a bad day but the silver lining is that now when he steps onto the field instead of being the second coming of Bray, Manning or whatever else fans projected onto him, he can simply be Riley Ferguson and that's a good thing for his development as a QB and for our team as a whole.
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Then people need to start reading the reports a little better. Everything I read said that Ferguson had a strong arm and could make throws that the others couldnt. But those same reports also said he had some inconsistency issues and had a few turnover issues. And thats exactly what happened in the game. By all reports that I read, Worley was #1 and Fergy was #2. Based on the way they came into the game, it seemed as though that was the case. I personally didnt think Fergy would come out and unseat Worley. Mainly because I dont think the coaches put that much stock in the spring game, and instead will pick a QB based on the entire body of work. The only thing I though would be different in his performance was the sacks and the fumble. But 100% of the blame cant be put on him for those sacks. When you watch the highlights where he fumbled, it looked like 3 or 4 guys got passed the OLine as soon as the ball snapped.
 
#110
#110
KBVol said:
Agree. Also, gotta credit Peterman for hanging in there and battling, shows kid's got character. Hopefully we won't have to put in our 4th string QB at any point this year. Also hope Josh Smith never sees the field either after last year. He and Peterman had similar seasons and we have better options at QB and certainly at WR.
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Josh Smith got separation last year unlike most of our other WRs. The drops can be corrected. Teaching a WR to get separation and get in position to make catches is harder. I like him as an option going forward.
 
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#112
#112
PassedOutAwake said:
Then people need to start reading the reports a little better. Everything I read said that Ferguson had a strong arm and could make throws that the others couldnt. But those same reports also said he had some inconsistency issues and had a few turnover issues. And thats exactly what happened in the game. By all reports that I read, Worley was #1 and Fergy was #2. Based on the way they came into the game, it seemed as though that was the case. I personally didnt think Fergy would come out and unseat Worley. Mainly because I dont think the coaches put that much stock in the spring game, and instead will pick a QB based on the entire body of work. The only thing I though would be different in his performance was the sacks and the fumble. But 100% of the blame cant be put on him for those sacks. When you watch the highlights where he fumbled, it looked like 3 or 4 guys got passed the OLine as soon as the ball snapped.
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ths is the way fergy fans interpreted those reports. no coach ever said worley was #1 and fergy was #2, so basically you pro-fergy guys created your own problem.
 
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KBVol said:
You been at practice to know all this? You attended all the scrimmages? We know you don't listen to or read anything from those who have been there. Are you on the staff? On the team? Work maintenance within the AD? Are you a trainer? Ball boy? Are you Sara Mitchell?

How do you possibly know all these details about Riley? Do you have access to practice tape? He's thrown exactly 12 passes now for the public to see, 7 of which he completed, 1 of which was for a td to a 3rd string WR. You've evaluated those 12 passes and come up with the BS you just wrote? Tell us how you do it.
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just listen to what Butch Jones says, or has said about riley. you do know wh Butch Jones is right? you know....the guy who is the HEAD COACH. SHEESH!
 
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#114
lexkyvol said:
just listen to what Butch Jones says, or has said about riley. you do know wh Butch Jones is right? you know....the guy who is the HEAD COACH. SHEESH!
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yeah, you should listen to him. he said Ferguson has shown the most leadership out of the 4 QBs.
 
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lexkyvol said:
ths is the way fergy fans interpreted those reports. no coach ever said worley was #1 and fergy was #2, so basically you pro-fergy guys created your own problem.
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How do you interpret it when they are saying that Worley and Ferguson are distancing themselves from the other 2 and taking the majority of the snaps with the 1st team?

No coach ever said Dobbs was running with the 1s, but you and the pro-Dobbs guys labeled him the starter, even before the O&W game. the coaches did say that Dobbs was having fumbling issues and inconsistencies.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
How do you interpret it when they are saying that Worley and Ferguson are distancing themselves from the other 2 and taking the majority of the snaps with the 1st team?

No coach ever said Dobbs was running with the 1s, but you and the pro-Dobbs guys labeled him the starter, even before the O&W game. the coaches did say that Dobbs was having fumbling issues and inconsistencies.
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1st, they all have/ had issues, but fergy has way more than his fans want to admit and than both dobbs and worley. that's obvious and was well on display saturday. now i picked dobbs as the starter, but i've also stated i' fine with worley if he is willing to run the ball. just because ur taking snaps with the 1st team doesn't mean it's u. like i said before, i personally believe that butch already knows what he has with dobbs and that the spring was for worley and fergy to compete to see who will challenge dobbs for the starting position. this is my opinion. i can base it on a few things, but i can also see where it may be wrong as well. but im gonna stick to it being my theory because to me it makes perfectly good sense. at schools where the qb plays baseball, the backups are practicing with the 1's as well. doesn't mean they're gonna start. still way too much time left
 
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#118
#118
lexkyvol said:
he also said that fergy's style is not the way the qb position should be played at the university of tennessee. and imo, that says way more than ur statement
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what says a lot to me is that Dobbs was the 4th QB to show in the game and they never let him face a decent defense.


but this will go on forever so im tapping out. yall can continue to hate on a player after 1 scrimmage because you have a personal vendetta against him and some of the fanbase, im done trying to defend a player who hasnt received a legit shot. now when the season rolls around and you dont see Dobbs roll out, just remember how yall treated a guy that might end up #2 and ahead of Dobbs. some of yall are lack the ability to look at different variables. yall can continue to hope the other guy does bad just so your guy looks good.
 
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#119
nobody is saying that fergy won't. everyone else is just wondering why you and the so-called fergy lovers still wanna crown this guy qb jesus based on high school film when in a live game situation, which is all we pretty much have to go by, he performed so badly? and then, when questioned ur excuse-making and vs. dobbs makes things even more ridiculous. as i've stated, i don't have anything against fergy but i don't think he fits this system, nor do i think he's very interested in it. if so, he'd watch more film, study more, and focus on making the correct reads
 
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lexkyvol said:
nobody is saying that fergy won't. everyone else is just wondering why you and the so-called fergy lovers still wanna crown this guy qb jesus based on high school film when in a live game situation, which is all we pretty much have to go by, he performed so badly? and then, when questioned ur excuse-making and vs. dobbs makes things even more ridiculous. as i've stated, i don't have anything against fergy but i don't think he fits this system, nor do i think he's very interested in it. if so, he'd watch more film, study more, and focus on making the correct reads
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show me 1 post where I said he was the guy
 
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#122
lexkyvol said:
i mean by the excuses and excuse threads, why else go thru the lengths if you don't feel that way?
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why would you go through lengths to belittle a kid based on 1 scrimmage? im just defending him because I dont like to see our guys catch unfair hate because of a few plays. just like i think Peterman caught a bad wrap for the UF game.

and what do you mean excuse threads that i keep seeing you talk about? i posted a statistical breakdown that showed all 4 QBs... and I didnt write it
 
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