QB drive & unit comparisons

[KBVol]

Josh smith will be a solid reciever this year. I don't understand all the hate for smith on this board. He dropped a couple of passes last year but he was playing as a true freshmen. I'd rather see Smith on the field than Croom any day of the week. Croom is 6-4 240 and is terrified of contact.

A couple? Try about a dozen. I don't hate the kid, just think that he showed last year he's not reliable on Gameday for a team that had no margin for error. He singlehandedly killed more than one drive last year. If anyone was afraid of contact it was him. We had to start him last year because we had no talent at WR outside of a true freshman in North who was a RB in high school. This year is quite a different story with Malone and Pearson. Maybe Smith can occasionally spell somebody and throw a block or two and leave the pass catching to the other WRs.

As far as Croom, I agree that he was soft last year. Everyone says that. However, I've heard he's flipped the switch this Spring and he's been absolutely beasting DBs, that he's been aggressive and a changed player. We'll see.

 

[lexkyvol]

Ok guys, listening to Ainge and he's lighting Riley up for his performance on Saturday. He's calling him a one trick pony, a QB who has a great arm but hasn't taken the time to immerse himself in understanding pass protection. Ainge is saying until he learns how to fully understand and call pass protections that he's like a gunslinger in a gunfight with a badass gun but no bullets. And that until he learns this that he can't play in the SEC.

Then he said something very interesting. He said he wonders if the coaches weren't trying to teach Riley a lesson in front of 68,000 fans on Saturday by throwing some blitzes at him which resulted in him giving up sacks and getting embarrassed. Ainge said that for the most part the first team D played vanilla base defense except versus Riley, and it showed, because he has no clue about pass protection which resulted in the 3 sacks he took. He finally said that IF Butch did this, he thinks it's a stroke of genius to teach Riley a lesson. I would have to agree.

sounds like he's covering his arse for some incorrect reporting all spring about riley's progressions. this thing is loaded with excuses.

 

[sjt18]

Wasn't Ainge leading the band for Ferguson just a few days ago? Not sure Ainge is a whole lot better than Hyams at this point.

Someone else here just posted that Worley's long run was on a blitz that he read well.

He could be right about Jones "picking on" Ferguson... but that sounds more like him trying to save face.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

the OP wasn't counting on anyone figuring this stuff out

That contradicts what youve been saying. That post you quoted said Worley solidified himself as the starter... while youve been saying its Dobbs. All the OP contains is stats, yet you keep crying. Its posted so people can make their own assumptions on the game. Stop crying kid

 

[KBVol]

sounds like he's covering his arse for some incorrect reporting all spring about riley's progressions. this thing is loaded with excuses.

You're so full of ish it's ridiculous.

 

[lexkyvol]

That contradicts what youve been saying. That post you quoted said Worley solidified himself as the starter... while youve been saying its Dobbs. All the OP contains is stats, yet you keep crying. Its posted so people can make their own assumptions on the game. Stop crying kid

the crying came in this post that you originated as to why things happened the way they did. get over it. ur guy didn't play well and ur still trying to create scenarios as to why laced with excuses. it's lame

 

[YorkVol]

So what happens when Dobbs doesn't play this year because the coaches want to redshirt him and get him ready for a big run in 2015?

 

[PassedOutAwake]

You're so full of ish it's ridiculous.

He has an agenda and wants all 3 to fail so Dobbs starts. Even if Dobbs played the worst game of his life, he would still be hoping that the others were worse.

 

[lexkyvol]

then worley starts (if he'll run) if he beats out dobbs. im okay with either worley (if he'll run the ball) or dobbs and have stated this several times

 

[PassedOutAwake]

the crying came in this post that you originated as to why things happened the way they did. get over it. ur guy didn't play well and ur still trying to create scenarios as to why laced with excuses. it's lame

My guy is whoever is the best guy for the job. I didnt write the OP genius, its quotes from an article that I saw tweeted. You need to get over it. Im not creating any scenarios, those were created by our coaches. Youre going to be really sad when Worley wins the job. Riley will probably be #2 because he had a better overall spring than the other 2. Dobbs could possibly redshirt so the dont waste a year of his eligibility

 

[sjt18]

I personally like Dobbs' game better than Ferguson's and especially if he can continue to close the gap in arm strength. Dobbs threw the ball well Saturday. Plenty of "zip" on the short stuff and sufficient air under a few longer throws. Someone said that cannons don't ride the pine but if Dobbs is close as a passer and can run through tackles like he did the other day... it is hard to see him not being a starter.

 

[KBVol]

Wasn't Ainge leading the band for Ferguson just a few days ago? Not sure Ainge is a whole lot better than Hyams at this point.

Someone else here just posted that Worley's long run was on a blitz that he read well.

He could be right about Jones "picking on" Ferguson... but that sounds more like him trying to save face.

I didn't hear it that way at all. No question that Ainge really likes Ferguson but it's because of what EVERYBODY who has watched the QBs practice/play.... he has the biggest, most talented arm. Ainge has said repeatedly that Ferguson has great upside but that he can't start until he cleans up his mistakes, stops taking unnecessary chances, stops turning the ball over.

He was accurate in saying that Riley was splitting first team reps with Worley. He has also said without hesitation that Worley would start if the season started today and will almost certainly be the starter in the fall.

He criticized Riley for not studying enough and not remotely understanding pass protection. He said he thought it was possible that the coaches were trying to teach him a lesson, get a point across to him by running blitzes and stunts when he was in. The fact that he took 3 of the 4 sacks given up all day would perhaps support this. I know the sack that he fumbled on was by a safety, Swafford iirc. Certainly seems plausible to me.

And before a couple of Ferguson haters jump all over this (not including you here Sjt), I'm more than comfortable with Worley or Dobbs. As I'm sure you know, I've been one of the few that have joined you in defending both from last years play.

 

[KBVol]

im not even on team fergie. I just happen to look at the different variables when forming opinions. You just cry everytime someone doesnt name dobbs the next heisman. You want the other 3 to fail just so you can say "i told you so" instead of wanting the best guy.

1000%!

 

[PassedOutAwake]

I personally like Dobbs' game better than Ferguson's and especially if he can continue to close the gap in arm strength. Dobbs threw the ball well Saturday. Plenty of "zip" on the short stuff and sufficient air under a few longer throws. Someone said that cannons don't ride the pine but if Dobbs is close as a passer and can run through tackles like he did the other day... it is hard to see him not being a starter.

Maybe next year hell be the starter. I personally think its Worley. He lead the offense to 3 scoring drives (out of 4) against the first team D. A FG, threw a TD and had the long run that ended on the 1 yard line that set up the TD by Hurd.

Scoring on 75% of his drives vs the 1s would win us several games.

 

[lexkyvol]

My guy is whoever is the best guy for the job. I didnt write the OP genius, its quotes from an article that I saw tweeted. You need to get over it. Im not creating any scenarios, those were created by our coaches. Youre going to be really sad when Worley wins the job. Riley will probably be #2 because he had a better overall spring than the other 2. Dobbs could possibly redshirt so the dont waste a year of his eligibility

then worley starts (if he'll run) if he beats out dobbs. im okay with either worley (if he'll run the ball) or dobbs and have stated this several times

i copied and pasted my answer to this, which is just before this comment so u can read it again.

oh, and why would they redshirt dobbs? if anything, it makes sense to redshirt ferguson

 

[PassedOutAwake]

then worley starts (if he'll run) if he beats out dobbs. im okay with either worley (if he'll run the ball) or dobbs and have stated this several times

i copied and pasted my answer to this, which is just before this comment so u can read it again.

oh, and why would they redshirt dobbs? if anything, it makes sense to redshirt ferguson

They already redshirted Ferguson last year. You cant redshirt twice (without medical redshirt). They could get Ferguson experience with the 2nd team while Dobbs redshirts and has 3 more years after Worley leaves, instead of having him waste a year playing with the 2s

 

[lexkyvol]

They already redshirted Ferguson last year. You cant redshirt twice (without medical redshirt). They could get Ferguson experience with the 2nd team while Dobbs redshirts and has 3 more years after Worley leaves, instead of having him waste a year playing with the 2s

i don't really pay much attention to who got redshirted.

that aside, riley is the one qb in need of the most work and is nowhere near ready to play on ANY saturday. so that leaves if we redshirted worley and peterman in an offense, in the SEC, where the qb is required to run the ball. i don't think it's a good coaching decision at all to play peterman unless it's an absolute blowout. now, say worley is the starter and stays healthy all season and plays all season. u could then redhsirt dobbs anyway. it's a win-win. the other scenario would be dobbs beating out worley.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

i don't really pay much attention to who got redshirted.

that aside, riley is the one qb in need of the most work and is nowhere near ready to play on ANY saturday.

If were putting in the 2nd string, were either up a lot or down by a lot. Perfect opportunity to get good reps in. Thats how you get experience.

so that leaves if we redshirted worley and peterman in an offense, in the SEC, where the qb is required to run the ball.

what? we cant redshirt those guys. and what does running have to do with redshirts

i don't think it's a good coaching decision at all. now, say worley is the starter and stays healthy all season and plays all season. u could then redhsirt dobbs anyway. it's a win-win.

Kind of what I was getting at. Except you put in Ferguson when the 2nd team comes out (garbage time) to get him experience. Instead of putting in Dobbs and wasting a year of eligibility


the other scenario would be dobbs beating out worley.

.

 

[lexkyvol]

a running qb offense suits peterman far more than it does ferguson. i think as much as some folk might not like it, fergy might be the odd man out in this system. that's not saying he's not a good qb. it's saying that this system is not for him and by butch's comments, i think he could possibly feel the same way too.

now, i play peterman in blowout situations to save dobbs for redshirting, but i don't redshirt him from the jump because he: a) may win the job, or b) would want him to be my starter if worley went down. why? because ferguson is NOT ready to play in front of large crowds. as much as his fans want a scenario as to him getting some kind of playing time (because no one has seen him play yet and that's the only hope left), as a coach it just doesn't make sense.

 

[24/7vol]

This conversation will go on all summer and we all have our favorites no matter what we say. Whoever CBJ names as starter I want him to do well and light it up. I would like to have seen the stats with RF having North and Malone and not having the blitzes and stunts that he had to contend with. I would like to see the other QB's stats with RF's receivers and the blitzes Butch threw at Riley.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

a running qb offense suits peterman far more than it does ferguson. i think as much as some folk might not like it, fergy might be the odd man out in this system. that's not saying he's not a good qb. it's saying that this system is not for him and by butch's comments, i think he could possibly feel the same way too.

now, i play peterman in blowout situations to save dobbs for redshirting, but i don't redshirt him from the jump because he: a) may win the job, or b) would want him to be my starter if worley went down. why? because ferguson is NOT ready to play in front of large crowds. as much as his fans want a scenario as to him getting some kind of playing time (because no one has seen him play yet and that's the only hope left), as a coach it just doesn't make sense.

you never redshirt a guy from the jump (you redshirt them at the end of the year if they dont play). but you dont throw them out there in garbage time and waste that year of eligibility though.

and for Ferguson, the only way to get ready to play in front of large crowds is to just do it. if your up 30 points with 6 minutes left in the game, why wouldnt you put him out there to get experience? it makes plenty of sense.

 

[lexkyvol]

you never redshirt a guy from the jump (you redshirt them at the end of the year if they dont play). but you dont throw them out there in garbage time and waste that year of eligibility though.

and for Ferguson, the only way to get ready to play in front of large crowds is to just do it. if your up 30 points with 6 minutes left in the game, why wouldnt you put him out there to get experience? it makes plenty of sense.

again, nothing against riley i just think he doesn't fit butch's system. i think there was hope and the possiblity of "tweak if necessary", but with the way dobbs has played, worley improvement the tweak to fit isn't necessary. as much as folk hate to hear it while he's in this offense and at ut, riley is a pocket passer...period

 

[PassedOutAwake]

again, nothing against riley i just think he doesn't fit butch's system. i think there was hope and the possiblity of "tweak if necessary", but with the way dobbs has played, worley improvement the tweak to fit isn't necessary. as much as folk hate to hear it while he's in this offense and at ut, riley is a pocket passer...period

there were several reports that Riley was right behind Dobbs (talent wise) running the ball. several reports that he was running the ball well during spring practice. Riley and Dobbs both fit Butch's system. the biggest knock that I heard about Riley running the ball was that he kept it too many times on the read option, instead of giving it to the RB.

I know its ESPN, but if you look at both of their recruiting profiles, Riley has the faster 40 time

 

[lexkyvol]

there were several reports that Riley was right behind Dobbs (talent wise) running the ball. several reports that he was running the ball well during spring practice. Riley and Dobbs both fit Butch's system. the biggest knock that I heard about Riley running the ball was that he kept it too many times on the read option, instead of giving it to the RB.

I know its ESPN, but if you look at both of their recruiting profiles, Riley has the faster 40 time

i think those reports were tailored towards majority favorite instead of actual. i mean how can one's performance drop off so bad as to be below nathan peterman? and he kept the ball because he was missing the reads, not by choice, which further insinuates that this is not the type of system for him. folks were right with him being a ginslinger. riley is a passer....pocket passer. can he scramble, yes. but read-option is not his game and he's not comfortable in it. this is why he looked lost imo. and after a summer and almost a schoolyear on campus, along with winter workouts and personal training, that 40 time could either be wrong by espn as u suggested, or dobbs not only got bigger and stronger.....but faster.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

i think those reports were tailored towards majority favorite instead of actual. i mean how can one's performance drop off so bad as to be below nathan peterman? and he kept the ball because he was missing the reads, not by choice, which further insinuates that this is not the type of system for him. folks were right with him being a ginslinger. riley is a passer....pocket passer. can he scramble, yes. but read-option is not his game and he's not comfortable in it. this is why he looked lost imo. and after a summer and almost a schoolyear on campus, along with winter workouts and personal training, that 40 time could either be wrong by espn as u suggested, or dobbs not only got bigger and stronger.....but faster.

Youre going to think im biased for saying this, but im not. Im saying this based on what other have said,

From what several people have said, the sacks were caused from the oline not protecting well. Several people have also said it looked like the coaches ran more blitzes against him. In the video were he fumbles, you can see the oline didnt block anybody and he tried to extend the play. The INT was probably all on him though.

Its only 1 day. People have good and bad days. Dobbs was getting sacked a ton and lost a bunch of fumbles throughout the spring. Peterman was getting sacked a lot too because he was holding the ball to long. And that all happened in scrimmage like situations.

why would the reports be tailored? every single source was saying the same thing and even described the plays.