Quit with the "we don't have talent and are slow" crud

[Dragon18]

Coaching and game plan matter VERY little when you have personnel that are just flat out faster. Speed kills--that's a common refrain. We don't match up well with Auburn. Jancek and Butch could have schemed the crap out of this game and it wouldn't have mattered. Slow on special teams kick coverage no speed on the back end to catch a guy in Nick Marshall that is a running quarterback. There's no magical game plan here people. Bring in whatever new coordinator or coach you want the deficiencies on this roster weren't going to improve at this point in the season. Idiots.

Yep

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Even slow guys can hit someone. Slow guys can block a man in front of him. A slow guy can attempt to set an edge. A coach can attempt their slow players in schemes that relatively look like they might work. A coach can call blitzes and attempt to apply pressure against a run team. A coach can load the box, and also make sure that their team isn't out flanked or outnumbered on the perimeter before the ball is snapped. I am so sick of excuses.

What? How can a slow guy hit someone if he can't catch him? How can a slow guy block someone who runs around him? You do realize calling blitzes leaves our slow secondary in one on one situations right?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Probably not.

 

[IM4TN]

How did we beat South Carolina ?

Or give Georgia all they could handle?

 

[sjt18]

Coaching and game plan matter VERY little when you have personnel that are just flat out faster.

That simply isn't true... and it is proven repeatedly EVERY week in CFB. Coaching matters MOST when you have personnel issues. Schemes matter MOST when you need to hide deficiencies.

Speed kills--that's a common refrain. We don't match up well with Auburn. Jancek and Butch could have schemed the crap out of this game and it wouldn't have mattered. Slow on special teams kick coverage no speed on the back end to catch a guy in Nick Marshall that is a running quarterback. There's no magical game plan here people. Bring in whatever new coordinator or coach you want the deficiencies on this roster weren't going to improve at this point in the season. Idiots.

Delude yourself all you want. There are numerous DC's that would be getting more out of this talent than we've seen over the last 3 weeks. UT doesn't match up... but Arkansas State, FAU, MSU, etc do, right?

The only team to allow more pts to Auburn this year- Western Carolina. The only team to allow more rushing yardage- Western Carolina. The only team to allow more rushing ypc- Western Carolina.

Punt returns? Their previous high was 70 yds on 10 punts. Their avg return on the season before this game was about 7.5 yds. They had two returns today for 127 yds.

Kick returns? They avg'd 24 yds coming in and avg'd 37 vs UT.

Now you can tell yourself that UT is the 2nd least talented defensive team Auburn has played if you want... but it just ain't true. At least 5 of their 10 opponents have less talent on D.

Let this sink in. Arkansas State, a 4-4 mid-major who was THUMPED by Memphis defended Auburn as well AT Auburn as UT did at home. Do you really want to argue they are more talented? And remember... they have a brand new HC also.

It is noteworthy that Malzahn chose NOT to take his mid-major DC with him to Auburn.

 

[sjt18]

How did we beat South Carolina ?

Better question is what happened to the D and defensive coaching after that win.

 

[cpavol]

We are getting beat down by highly ranked teams. Everyone knew this year would be rough coming in, and then Auburn and Mizzou turned out to be VERY good teams. Our schedule was tough as it was. It's tough. I'm glad we get a week off before Vandy. This team needs to meditate and come back and make a statement.

Florida has been terrible all year and never qualified as a "tough" opponent this season. The excuse of a tough schedule always comes up when your team is terrible.

 

[Exiled]

I wouldn't have agreed with this post until I saw this team play live today. The defensive ends crashed down the entire game. We ran zero run blitzs to make Auburn beat us with the pass. We did nothing to adjust to their attacks on the perimeter.
The special teams were a joke. We have people playing on special teams who seem to be afraid to hit.
We have players watching instead of blocking for our running backs.
If we aren't recruiting a QB we are in trouble, because Josh Dobbs has a weak arm.
It is much worse in person than it is on TV.
Bad offensive play calling. No adjustments made ever. I was really disappointed with the effort this team put forth.
Depth may be an issue, but even bad athletes who are trying can be physical, and make a freaking tackle.
If I were Butch Jones this team would run 50 miles in the next week, and it would start tonight. These guys would never want to lose another game. Until this team shows some guts, no coach will be successful here.
These players should be embarrassed to go to class on Monday.

Hopefully Riley Ferguson fills the role for us next year.

 

[govols/cc]

How did we beat South Carolina ?

They suck too

 

[allvol123]

They suck too

There's a good chance they win our division.

 

[Subzero]

I see all the comments about the D being too slow, but if you watched Stanford Thursday night, they do not have the speed that Oregon has but they were disciplined, took proper angles, made secure tackles and had a great defensive game plan. Speed cannot be used as an excuse after watching their performance.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Right but you can undo what Fulmer and Kiffin did in two, right?

Dooley deserved to be fired after year 3 but there were MANY here ready to can him after year 2... and in retrospect... they called it right just early.

I don't want Jones fired. He needs 3 years to have a chance. But I DO want to see MUCH BETTER COACHING than what we have see the past 3 games. ESPECIALLY on the defensive side of the ball.

I agree with this.
Everyone, accept apparently for our DC, knew what Auburn's offensive game plan would be. Yet, they gashed us like we have never heard of a running game.
I'm no coach, so I won't try to point out exactly what the problems are on defense. I surely don't have the solutions. We have a well paid coaching staff for addressing these issues and it's time that they prove their worth.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

How did we beat South Carolina ?

Beats the hell out of me.

 

[allvol123]

I agree with this.
Everyone, accept apparently for our DC, knew what Auburn's offensive game plan would be. Yet, they gashed us like we have never heard of a running game.
I'm no coach, so I won't try to point out exactly what the problems are on defense. I surely don't have the solutions. We have a well paid coaching staff for addressing these issues and it's time that they prove their worth.

Don't they lead the league in rushing? So all D coordinators are lost?

 

[RetardedElf]

I see all the comments about the D being too slow, but if you watched Stanford Thursday night, they do not have the speed that Oregon has but they were disciplined, took proper angles, made secure tackles and had a great defensive game plan. Speed cannot be used as an excuse after watching their performance.

They have also been in the same system for years. While our d is on its 3rd d coordinator in 3 years which usually leads to thinking instead of reacting

 

[MFL]

Please just bench the seniors and things will slowly be normal

 

[Subzero]

They have also been in the same system for years. While our d is on its 3rd d coordinator in 3 years which usually leads to thinking instead of reacting

I agree with a new scheme causing thinking instead of reacting. But the players should be more comfortable after a spring and this point into the season. I see the freshman corner Sutton improving as the season is progressing. I would expect the upperclassmen to be improving as well. Scheme doesn't impact basic fundamentals like tackling or keeping outside leverage and your outside arm free.

 

[RetardedElf]

I agree with a new scheme causing thinking instead of reacting. But the players should be more comfortable after a spring and this point into the season. I see the freshman corner Sutton improving as the season is progressing. I would expect the upperclassmen to be improving as well. Scheme doesn't impact basic fundamentals like tackling or keeping outside leverage and your outside arm free.

Some of that is on the coaches and I think some of the players shouldn't be starting, but there's no better option

 

[KingtUT]

We don't have talent and we are slow

 

[vol24/7/365]

Did you even watch the game?

Our D is slow as hell. Maybe the slowest in the SEC.

This and you can compensate by being able to read plays. Coaches teach this. Sooooooo

 

[govols/cc]

There's a good chance they win our division.

Honestly that doesn't say much other than how bad the SEC east is.

 

[allvol123]

Honestly that doesn't say much other than how bad the SEC east is.

It is down but beating the winner of a 7 team SEC division is a damn good win.

 

[volswillrise12]

That simply isn't true... and it is proven repeatedly EVERY week in CFB. Coaching matters MOST when you have personnel issues. Schemes matter MOST when you need to hide deficiencies.



Delude yourself all you want. There are numerous DC's that would be getting more out of this talent than we've seen over the last 3 weeks. UT doesn't match up... but Arkansas State, FAU, MSU, etc do, right?

The only team to allow more pts to Auburn this year- Western Carolina. The only team to allow more rushing yardage- Western Carolina. The only team to allow more rushing ypc- Western Carolina.

Punt returns? Their previous high was 70 yds on 10 punts. Their avg return on the season before this game was about 7.5 yds. They had two returns today for 127 yds.

Kick returns? They avg'd 24 yds coming in and avg'd 37 vs UT.

Now you can tell yourself that UT is the 2nd least talented defensive team Auburn has played if you want... but it just ain't true. At least 5 of their 10 opponents have less talent on D.

Let this sink in. Arkansas State, a 4-4 mid-major who was THUMPED by Memphis defended Auburn as well AT Auburn as UT did at home. Do you really want to argue they are more talented? And remember... they have a brand new HC also.

It is noteworthy that Malzahn chose NOT to take his mid-major DC with him to Auburn.

You are just flat out wrong. YOU delude yourself. Your theory is BS---we've switched coaches and coordinators more than your old lady's dirty socks. By your logic we need to hire Western Carolina's D coordinator ? Because I've seen Sasquatch once he must be real? I love you dude you like to take every piece of a statement and argue with your faulty logic and your points aren't valid. Here are facts you can't argue with: Auburn is a better team than us right now---they ran us right off our own field. Butch Jones even said himself that players were in position (defensive position for your records smart guy) and didn't make plays----DID NOT MAKE TACKLES WHEN IN CORRECT DEFENSIVE POSITION---It's you that are delusional. WE need talent and speed---almost as quickly as your precision for arguing every point like you are an expert.

 

[KBVol]

Agreed but Butch Jones has only been coaching them less than a year. You can't undo what Dooley did in one season.

Agreed. You can't undo they utter and absolute mess that Dooley left. But you should be able to make tangible improvements to the team that are evident as the season goes on.....and Butch hasn't.

 

[volsohard99]

We have one player in the front 7 that would be in the 2 deep for any of the sec teams we have played so far.

Personally I think we have 2 despite coaching inconsistencies but one is sidelined.

No telling what a consistent decent coach could have done with Corey Miller and Jacques Smith... two 4 stars with huge potential coming out of high school. then you've got big Dan who should have gotten much better...... and you look at our DLine and it is borderline pathetic. no offense to the players.... with real coaching they might have been great.

but as it is I think AJ would be the only one. not sure if thats who you meant.