Racism

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BeecherVol said:
Whats funny is that government regulation makes it fair.

If your talking fair, and equal, does that have to have a percentage put on it? Or should the government sit in on every job interview and decide who is the most qualified?
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Government regulation is a joke. I've seen NUMEROUS people hired and fired, and it's not because of anything else other than job performance. Our government, in it's current state, is the biggest joke on the freaking planet.
 
#77
#77
paul1454 said:
Exactly, I had to deal with both growing up. Rather than beating myself up about it, I did everything I could to make a better life for myself and my children. I tried as hard as I could in school, joined the military to pay for college, and always sought to take every opportunity that presented itself. Now, I am in a much better position than my mother ever was, but could have just as easily been in a completely different position (my twin brother took the opposite route, struggled through life, and just moved into a homeless shelter).
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Coming through what you say you did is THE AMERICAN DREAM. Making a better life for yourself is what it is all about. Now, hopefully your brother is in a Christian shelter and can help him get through his issues.
 
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#78
GahLee said:
You are aware that white people make up 3/4ths of the American population right?
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Actually that is not correct unless you are counting hispanics as white, caucasions make up somewhere around 66% of population and by estimates will no longer be the majority race sometime in the 30's.
U.S. Census Population projections20082050Non-Hispanic whites66%46%Hispanics (of any race)15%30%African Americans14%15%Asian Americans5%9%
 
#79
#79
BeecherVol said:
Whats funny is that government regulation makes it fair.

If your talking fair, and equal, does that have to have a percentage put on it? Or should the government sit in on every job interview and decide who is the most qualified?
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Hiring processes are tricky...it boils down to races ( all of them ) staying within their race.

Black owned businesses hire black employees, Asian owned businesses hire Asian employees...white people are not different I suppose, it's just that white people make up most of the population, thus make up most of the business owners as well.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Coming through what you say you did is THE AMERICAN DREAM. Making a better life for yourself is what it is all about. Now, hopefully your brother is in a Christian shelter and can help him get through his issues.
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He is. I have a lot of faith that he will pull himself up, but at least he is in a good place right now (not sure if you are from nashville, but if you are - it is the nashville rescue mission - a really great place).
 
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#83
Oh and speaking of job performance, there is NOTHING worse than someone who believes in minorities, and is willing to sit there and tell you that you don't like them because of their skin color or where they live. No dummy, I don't like you because you suck at your job. That just runs all over me.
 
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paul1454 said:
Exactly, I had to deal with both growing up. Rather than beating myself up about it, I did everything I could to make a better life for myself and my children. I tried as hard as I could in school, joined the military to pay for college, and always sought to take every opportunity that presented itself. Now, I am in a much better position than my mother ever was, but could have just as easily been in a completely different position (my twin brother took the opposite route, struggled through life, and just moved into a homeless shelter).
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I hear ya, I grew up in Western Heights projects, my father was a drug dealer and was never around when I was a boy...from July 4th 1991 to December 9th 2007, we didn't see each other, hell we didn't speak to each other...not once.

Yet, I have managed to provide a decent life for my kids but like you said, it very easily could have went the other way.
 
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#85
As far as racial bigotry goes there are studies that show ethnic sounding names could hinder the possibility of ever getting an interview.
'Black' Names A Resume Burden? - CBS News
I mean we can sit here and act like race is no longer an issue in this country which many on here have that view but I think most on here know that you are kidding yourself we are still a very segregated country for the most part by choice.It was only 20 years ago that black families could not live in Halls and that Cherokee C.C. made complete and total asses of themselves for not offering Wade Houston a membership although that is their perogative being a private club so yes race relations are better than 50 years ago but they are not where alot of you all think they are.
 
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DAVOL said:
As far as racial bigotry goes there are studies that show ethnic sounding names could hinder the possibility of ever getting an interview.
'Black' Names A Resume Burden? - CBS News
I mean we can sit here and act like race is no longer an issue in this country which many on here have that view but I think most on here know that you are kidding yourself we are still a very segregated country for the most part by choice.It was only 20 years ago that black families could not live in Halls and that Cherokee C.C. made complete and total asses of themselves for not offering Wade Houston a membership although that is there perogative being a private club so yes race relations are better than 50 years ago but they are not where alot of you all think they are.
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Did you read the link you posted? You come off as if it puts forth the case cut and dry. Clearly it doesn't:

Two recent papers from the Cambridge-based National Bureau of Economic Research draw somewhat different conclusions about whether a black name is a burden. One, an analysis of the 16 million births in California between 1960 and 2000, claims it has no significant effect on how someone's life turns out.

The other, however, suggests a black-sounding name remains an impediment to getting a job. After responding to 1,300 classified ads with dummy resumes, the authors found black-sounding names were 50 percent less likely to get a callback than white-sounding names with comparable resumes.

If nothing else, the first paper, by the NBER's Roland Fryer and the University of Chicago's Steven Levitt, based on California birth data, provides probably the most detailed snapshot yet of distinctive naming practices. It shows, for instance, that in recent years, more than 40 percent of black girls were given names that weren't given to even one of the more than 100,000 white girls born in the state the same year.
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DAVOL said:
As far as racial bigotry goes there are studies that show ethnic sounding names could hinder the possibility of ever getting an interview.
'Black' Names A Resume Burden? - CBS News
I mean we can sit here and act like race is no longer an issue in this country which many on here have that view but I think most on here know that you are kidding yourself we are still a very segregated country for the most part by choice.It was only 20 years ago that black families could not live in Halls and that Cherokee C.C. made complete and total asses of themselves for not offering Wade Houston a membership although that is there perogative being a private club so yes race relations are better than 50 years ago but they are not where alot of you all think they are.
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Race is an issue, IMO, it will always be.
Hate breeds hate, racism is taught.
 
#88
#88
Actually i have a problem with the OP on this thread either he did not put alot of thought into it or he just doesn't understand but caucasions make up most of the entitlement programs which is everything from ssi to medicare.Now if he is talking about welfare and foodstamps etc. I can't understand why he turned it into a racial issue considering alot if not a majority of those entitlement $ goes to caucasions also yet he makes no mention of white Harriet Tubmans who should be put on a pedastal as figures to look up to for those in the white race that get government assistance, just makes you wonder about the original motives of the OP.
 
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DAVOL said:
Actually i have a problem with the OP on this thread either he did not put alot of thought into it or he just doesn't understand but caucasions make up most of the entitlement programs which is everything from ssi to medicare.Now if he is talking about welfare and foodstamps etc. I can't understand why he turned it into a racial issue considering alot if not a majority of those entitlement $ goes to caucasions also yet he makes no mention of white Harriet Tubmans who should be put on a pedastal, just makes you wonder about the original motives of the OP.
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Spark a debate?
 
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paul1454 said:
Did you read the link you posted? You come off as if it puts forth the case cut and dry. Clearly it doesn't:
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Actually I did the one study had to do with the end result of economic status it did not have to do with job interviews in the slightest major difference there.
 
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DAVOL said:
Actually I did the one study had to do with the end result of economic status it did not have to do with job interviews in the slightest major difference there.
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I don't see how it isn't relevant. You are using the study that indicates a black name on a resume is a burden to getting a job interview as evidence that black americans have differing economic opportunities, but disregarding another study that analyzes the actual effect on economic well being.
 
#92
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paul1454 said:
I don't see how it isn't relevant. You are using the study that indicates a black name on a resume is a burden to getting a job interview as evidence that black americans have differing economic opportunities, but disregarding another study that analyzes the actual effect on economic well being.
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My thinking as well...the people doing the study could have cooked the numbers, but the birth records study seems to hold water.
 
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GahLee said:
My thinking as well...the people doing the study could have cooked the numbers, but the birth records study seems to hold water.
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They may have or they may not have as with any study but economic staus can come from many things.Maybe I wanted to work in corporate but I wasn't getting any call backs so I end up doing porn making 6 figures a year my final economic status will look good.All I was saying is that there are studies that have to do with interviews and resumesthat show having an ethnic name may hinder.
 
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DAVOL said:
They may have or they may not have as with any study but economic staus can come from many things.Maybe I wanted to work in corporate but I wasn't getting any call backs so I end up doing porn making 6 figures a year my final economic status will look good.All I was saying is that there are studies that have to do with interviews and resumesthat show having an ethnic name may hinder.
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I don't disagree with you at all on this. I would be being disingenuous to suggest that I believe everything is equal between races (I do believe, however, that sometimes it is hard to tell whether it is a lack of opportunity or socioeconomic factors that create the inequity that lingers today). My only point was that the extent of that difference is currently unsettled.
 
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#97
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Decline with the majority of American's, but still prevalent within the minorities, because people within those minorities tell them that they are still being hated upon, thus keeping the hate alive.
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And you know this cause you spend so much time with minorities.
 
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GahLee said:
I hear ya, I grew up in Western Heights projects, my father was a drug dealer and was never around when I was a boy...from July 4th 1991 to December 9th 2007, we didn't see each other, hell we didn't speak to each other...not once.

Yet, I have managed to provide a decent life for my kids but like you said, it very easily could have went the other way.
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Sorry to hear that, but proud of ya for staying on the right side of the fence. Wish more kids could grow up without tracing their fathers footsteps. Once again, great job. Your kids are lucky to have a good role model in you!
 
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