Rank Bruce Pearl as a basketball coach.

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I'll say this. I don't think there are very many coaches that could have come in here and done better than Pearl. There are some who probably could have, especially some of those who are great recruiters, but I don't think there are many. It's getting to the next that concerns me with Pearl.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
After watching Calipari squander the talent he had in the NCAAs this year, I would absolutely not put him ahead of Bruce Pearl.
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So anyone that has ever early outed is less of a coach than our guy? Is it because they lost to less of a team?
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
After watching Calipari squander the talent he had in the NCAAs this year, I would absolutely not put him ahead of Bruce Pearl.
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To be clear: We have Coach A and Coach B.

You are telling me that Coach A, who wins the regular season and tournament conference championship over Coach B in his first year (Coach B has never won both in the same year, and actually has never won the conference tournament), beats Coach B two out of three times(by 29 the last meeting), and advances to the same round as Coach B before falling to a significantly higher seeded team (a team not from the conference you have described as overrated, as Coach B's team faced), and who has a comparable to slightly better record of post-season success, you would --ABSOLUTELY-- not put him in front of Coach B?

Absolutely? No debate or doubt?
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
After watching Calipari squander the talent he had in the NCAAs this year, I would absolutely not put him ahead of Bruce Pearl.
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Then I'm assuming you would have fired Pearl after his loss to Wichita State.

I'm sure you would have hired Bobby Lutz or Jerry Wainwright.
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I will never understand how people can say Pearl is a better coach. Look at their resumes and please spare us the forfeited Final Fours argument.
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
After watching Calipari squander the talent he had in the NCAAs this year, I would absolutely not put him ahead of Bruce Pearl.
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I simply do not like Cal as a coach or person but look at the rosters of the teams that went deep into the tourney and you'll come face to face with the reason they bounced out when they did.

You can have amazing talent and it still doesn't make up for experience and unit cohesion. That team was very young and it showed against quality opponents this year.
 
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The vacated final fours argument sure would carry alot of weight if Calipari was our coach and got the only final four in our school's history erased from the NCAA record books.

Do you think Umass has a statue of Coach Cal sitting in the basketball arena?
 
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KB5252 said:
Like I said, I don't like the guy one bit but show me where he has been linked to any wrongdoing. He knows how to work the system.
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Even if you want to be that naive, the argument is still valid. The wins were vacated for a reason.
 
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QuickdrawMcVols said:
The vacated final fours argument sure would carry alot of weight if Calipari was our coach and got the only final four in our school's history erased from the NCAA record books.

Do you think Umass has a statue of Coach Cal sitting in the basketball arena?
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If he was responsible for those vacated Final Fours then perhaps he is not stupid enough to risk it a third time. Now might be the perfect time to have him.
 
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SaintBruce said:
Even if you want to be that naive, the argument is still valid. The wins were vacated for a reason.
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Not being naive in the least. Do I think he had a hand in it? Yes. Obviously the NCAA didn't or couldn't pin any wrongdoing on him so the school was punished, the coach walked away. Life is much easier when you deal in facts.

The reason they were vacated were because of improprieties on the institutions behalf, at least that what is says (more or less) on paper. Remember we are dealing in facts putting emotions aside. This is the only way you can objectively produce rankings. If you choose not to be objective and let personal emotions get in the way your conclusions are worthless to anyone but you and those who think like you.
 
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KB5252 said:
Not being naive in the least. Do I think he had a hand in it? Yes.
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OK. Good to clear that up.
KB5252 said:
The reason they were vacated were because of improprieties on the institutions behalf
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Either way, the wins were vacated. In Memphis' case why were the wins vacated? If they were in compliance with all rules that season, can you say for certain Memphis would have been to the FF? I think not.
 
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He doesn't control what happens in the classroom, at least that is the assumption we have to go on since he hasn't been linked to any wrongdoing. That being said he gets better players in uniform and has had more success. Until you or anyone else can prove any wrongdoing on his part he was the coach on the sidelines when his players won. You can take that away if you want but the fact is still Cal has produced more than Pearl.
 
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VolDad said:
If he was responsible for those vacated Final Fours then perhaps he is not stupid enough to risk it a third time. Now might be the perfect time to have him.
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Why would Cal care? He just gets a better job whenever the NCAA comes a knockin.

UMass>------------>>ncaatrouble>>---------->Nets

...FIRED


Memphis>------------>ncaa trouble--------->>UK
 
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KB5252 said:
You can take that away if you want
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I don't have to take it away. It's been taken away by the 'AA, literally. Doesn't have anything to do with me.

You said yourself that you think he had something to do with it, yet you're arguing from this position just to be difficult I guess.

Like I said, if that Memphis team was in compliance with NCAA rules that season, I think it's safe to say that you can't be sure that Cal would have been in the Final four. Therefore, using the vacated wins argument against Calaparis final four record is completely valid.
 
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QuickdrawMcVols said:
The vacated final fours argument sure would carry alot of weight if Calipari was our coach and got the only final four in our school's history erased from the NCAA record books.

Do you think Umass has a statue of Coach Cal sitting in the basketball arena?
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They let him essentially pick their current basketball coach, so UMASS doesn't appear to be upset with Cal.
 
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QuickdrawMcVols said:
What do the previous two years have to do with 2007-2008 basketball season?
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Are you really that dense? They made two elite eights with that same roster minus Derek Rose. You act as if it would have been impossible for them to make it without him. And the fact that they made elite eights the previous two years show you that that is ludicrous.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Are you really that dense? They made two elite eights with that same roster minus Derek Rose. You act as if it would have been impossible for them to make it without him. And the fact that they made elite eights the previous two years show you that that is ludicrous.
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Why the insults? This is a discussion about Calipari's record, not your family's good name. Is this how you interact with people?

Back to my point, if you take Derek Rose off of the roster, you can add any number of regular season losses to the schedule: @UAB, USC, Houston, Southern Miss etc.

It's all hypothetical, but it's my opinion that they would have been a 5 or 3 seed at best without Rose on the squad. And even if they were a 1 seed, Mississippi State would have beaten them in the round of 32.
 
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