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[UT IE 95]

Because he thought Maymon would return?

Do you know the details of his injury?

All you said was he'd go to Europe instead of returning, sour grapes you were wrong?

I have no idea what his injury is. I just know this team should have been prepared to play without him since he hasn't seen the court in months.

As for Europe. I still think that's his best option for a pro career. At this point all we know is he's not playing this year. If he comes back, he will use a redshirt option. As I said weeks ago, if he comes back it will be a bitter pill for the Maymon's. He is essentially saying his pro dream is over. He'll get a degree that he can use to move into life after basketball. Which is a fine choice as well.

 

[UT IE 95]

Big difference between expecting to finish top 5 in league, and win the league as you said.

Minimum expectations is top 5 which should be a tourney bid.

Ceiling would be a fighters chance at a league title.

Read my posts again before flaming with some first grade comments.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I have no idea what his injury is. I just know this team should have been prepared to play without him since he hasn't seen the court in months.

As for Europe. I still think that's his best option for a pro career. At this point all we know is he's not playing this year. If he comes back, he will use a redshirt option. As I said weeks ago, if he comes back it will be a bitter pill for the Maymon's. He is essentially saying his pro dream is over. He'll get a degree that he can use to move into life after basketball. Which is a fine choice as well.

You familiar with Robbie Hummel? Came back for 5th year redshirt, was selected in the NBA draft last year.

Just saying.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Minimum expectations is top 5 which should be a tourney bid.

Ceiling would be a fighters chance at a league title.

Read my posts again before flaming with some first grade comments.

So if this team finishes top 5 but doesn't make the dance...ok in your opinion?

 

[UT IE 95]

So if this team finishes top 5 but doesn't make the dance...ok in your opinion?

Nope. No dance, no Martin. Minimum expectation is to make the dance, period.

 

[UT IE 95]

You familiar with Robbie Hummel? Came back for 5th year redshirt, was selected in the NBA draft last year.

Just saying.

You keep pointing to isolated events as some sort of trend - like Witchita St and Robbie freaking Hummel (which plays where now?).

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Nope. No dance, no Martin. Minimum expectation is to make the dance, period.

So it'll be his fault the SEC isn't good enough as a whole to get a 5th bid?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You keep pointing to isolated events as some sort of trend - like Witchita St and Robbie freaking Hummel (which plays where now?).

In Europe. You said hes giving up his professional career by coming back, that would include Europe, that's considered professional ball.

I don't see how Maymon returning closes the door on him playing overseas professionally in the future. Europe leagues will be there for him long after next year, it's not like it's a one or the other deal.

 

[UT IE 95]

So it'll be his fault the SEC isn't good enough as a whole to get a 5th bid?

Yes, it will be 100% Martin's fault if this team is not in the NCAA tourney.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Yes, it will be 100% Martin's fault if this team is not in the NCAA tourney.

Way to twist what I said. You said finish top 5, if he finishes top 5 and misses the dance because the SEC as a whole is weak I'm not sure how that's his fault.

With that said, I think top 5 would get us in the NCAA, just trying to clarify your stance.

 

[volbeast33]

You familiar with Robbie Hummel? Came back for 5th year redshirt, was selected in the NBA draft last year.

Just saying.

You do realize that Hummell realized he probably wouldn't make it in the NBA and went straight over seas to play.

 

[volbeast33]

Way to twist what I said. You said finish top 5, if he finishes top 5 and misses the dance because the SEC as a whole is weak I'm not sure how that's his fault.

With that said, I think top 5 would get us in the NCAA, just trying to clarify your stance.

I think it will be martins fault that the Maymon injury has seemingly hurt us this bad. His recruiting has been pretty sub par and has hampered our team. Richardson and stokes are the only two players he has brought in that is even close to SEC starting level right now. Next yrs class does not look much better......Hubbs is a top of the line stud and I am excited about AJ Davis although I have heard a lot of negative things about him. The PG we have coming in wouldnt be one of the top picks for my rec league team.

 

[cncchris33]

I think your expectations just insanely high man.

Last year you expected top 4 in SEC and NCAA tourney appearance minimum.

This year with Maymon you're talking winning the SEC...

I've seem NOBODY else with the kinds of expectations you have, you basically set expectations so high you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

With those kind of expectations, its easy to pin the failure to obtain them on Martin, whom we all know he has an issue with in the first place.

Unrealistic expectations help to further his anti-Martin agenda.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You do realize that Hummell realized he probably wouldn't make it in the NBA and went straight over seas to play.

Ok, whats your point? UTIE95 was saying Maymon was basically giving up his professional career (which includes Europe), by returning for a 5th year redshirt. I pointed to Hummel as a guy who used a 5th year redshirt that not only is playing overseas but was even drafted into the NBA.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I think it will be martins fault that the Maymon injury has seemingly hurt us this bad. His recruiting has been pretty sub par and has hampered our team. Richardson and stokes are the only two players he has brought in that is even close to SEC starting level right now. Next yrs class does not look much better......Hubbs is a top of the line stud and I am excited about AJ Davis although I have heard a lot of negative things about him. The PG we have coming in wouldnt be one of the top picks for my rec league team.

Hurt us how bad? Many posters are acting as if we are 4-8, not 8-4. I predicted pre season with Maymon 23-7 iirc, after Maymon was looking to be done I said 20-10. I still think this team ends up at 19-20 wins, so that's a 3-4 loss swing with no Maymon. I don't think that's THAT bad. Take away Anthony Davis off last years UK team, how many do they lose? Take Kenny Boynton off of Florida how many do they lose? Take Pressey off of Mizzou? Now if we end up 15-15 then yes, that's too big of a drop, but I expected a 3-4 loss swing if there was no Maymon.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

With those kind of expectations, its easy to pin the failure to obtain them on Martin, whom we all know he has an issue with in the first place.

Unrealistic expectations help to further his anti-Martin agenda.

Basically is putting expectations so high the chance of them being reached are minuscule. Next year with the squad we'll have hell probably say final four is the expectation, and that if CCM can't take us that far to fire him.

 

[UT IE 95]

With those kind of expectations, its easy to pin the failure to obtain them on Martin, whom we all know he has an issue with in the first place.

Unrealistic expectations help to further his anti-Martin agenda.

I recommend reading my expectations first hand, and not quoting someone's interpretations of them.

I expect UT to be in the NCAA tourney. Every year. Period.

I also said, with as weak as the league is this year, with Maymon we would have had a fighters chance at the top of the league.

If those expectations are too high then I see why you guys love Cuonzo Martin so much.

 

[UT IE 95]

With those kind of expectations, its easy to pin the failure to obtain them on Martin, whom we all know he has an issue with in the first place.

Unrealistic expectations help to further his anti-Martin agenda.

With these expectations? Pretty damn pro-Martin to expect to win.

Maymon was out well before the season started. He shouldn't be the difference in making the tourney or not. With Maymon, I could have bought into an outside shot at the conference title. But with or without Maymon, considering our roster and schedule, the tourney should be a given either way.

 

[calban]

I recommend reading my expectations first hand, and not quoting someone's interpretations of them.

I expect UT to be in the NCAA tourney. Every year. Period.

I also said, with as weak as the league is this year, with Maymon we would have had a fighters chance at the top of the league.

If those expectations are too high then I see why you guys love Cuonzo Martin so much.

I think comprehension's down or too busy posting jabs.

 

[volbeast33]

Hurt us how bad? Many posters are acting as if we are 4-8, not 8-4. I predicted pre season with Maymon 23-7 iirc, after Maymon was looking to be done I said 20-10. I still think this team ends up at 19-20 wins, so that's a 3-4 loss swing with no Maymon. I don't think that's THAT bad. Take away Anthony Davis off last years UK team, how many do they lose? Take Kenny Boynton off of Florida how many do they lose? Take Pressey off of Mizzou? Now if we end up 15-15 then yes, that's too big of a drop, but I expected a 3-4 loss swing if there was no Maymon.

I think our schedule might help us reach that goal and I still don't know if it will be enough to reach the tournament. We have only beaten one team that legitimately should have had a chance to beat us....The SEC is so bad this yr that we shouldn't lose many games there and if we do fall to one of the bottom feeders, our chances at the tournament are pretty close to nil.

Those teams would have been able to replace great players with good ones bc they have much better recruiting than Martin has shown so far. Martin has struggled to bring in what Tennessee needs to be really successful so far.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I think our schedule might help us reach that goal and I still don't know if it will be enough to reach the tournament. We have only beaten one team that legitimately should have had a chance to beat us....The SEC is so bad this yr that we shouldn't lose many games there and if we do fall to one of the bottom feeders, our chances at the tournament are pretty close to nil.

Those teams would have been able to replace great players with good ones bc they have much better recruiting than Martin has shown so far. Martin has struggled to bring in what Tennessee needs to be really successful so far.

Martin couldn't have added someone in November, so I'm not sure I follow. If Kentucky lost Anthony Davis in November who replaces him, you can't go sign someone THEN. I'm sorry, but any team that loses their best player and leader a month before the season is probably going to lose 3-4 more game than they would've, Atleast. Like I said earlier, Lehigh just lost CJ, let's see how they fare the rest of the season losing their best player and leader.

 

[OrangeBalls]

I have no idea what his injury is. I just know this team should have been prepared to play without him since he hasn't seen the court in months.

As for Europe. I still think that's his best option for a pro career. At this point all we know is he's not playing this year. If he comes back, he will use a redshirt option. As I said weeks ago, if he comes back it will be a bitter pill for the Maymon's. He is essentially saying his pro dream is over. He'll get a degree that he can use to move into life after basketball. Which is a fine choice as well.

So, you're saying there is a possibility that Maymon will lie to Martin and go pro after this season instead of coming back next year? Don't you think if Martin thought Maymon was going to go pro then he would use what little he could get out of him this year before he left? You seriously think Maymon would screw Martin over and lie to him? You really come up with some screwed up scenarios.

Martin said awhile back that he wasn't saying whether Maymon was coming back this year or not because he didn't want Maymon slacking off in his rehab in case he could play this year. Once they found out his knee wasn't going to be better in time then they made the announcement.

 

[OrangeBalls]

The minimum expectation for UT Basketball is making a watered down NCAA field. Lowering my expectations because we have a mid-major coach ain't gonna happen. Mediocre is being a top 5 SEC team, that should be all that is needed to make the tourney.

Mediocre is being a top 5 SEC team? Good Lord. In most years, if you're top 5 in the SEC then that means you made the tourney. UT was 2nd last year and they would've made it last year except for their non-conference showing. That's the exception not the norm.

Trying to make sense out of your gibberish is hilarious at times.

 

[volbeast33]

Martin couldn't have added someone in November, so I'm not sure I follow. If Kentucky lost Anthony Davis in November who replaces him, you can't go sign someone THEN. I'm sorry, but any team that loses their best player and leader a month before the season is probably going to lose 3-4 more game than they would've, Atleast. Like I said earlier, Lehigh just lost CJ, let's see how they fare the rest of the season losing their best player and leader.

The 3-4 game difference is helped in our case bc our schedule is so horrible......I know he can't recruit someone in November, I'm saying we would have players already on the roster ready to step up if Martin was recruiting better. If we lose Golden, we are down to a walk on or playing guys out of position.

 

[OrangeBalls]

The 3-4 game difference is helped in our case bc our schedule is so horrible......I know he can't recruit someone in November, I'm saying we would have players already on the roster ready to step up if Martin was recruiting better. If we lose Golden, we are down to a walk on or playing guys out of position.

Are you talking SOS? UT's SOS is 62 right now. It's expected to be 58.