Reality is we do have a chance...

#76
#76
Expectations:
1. A strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.
2. A belief that someone will or should achieve something.

Funny how FLA sports seems to change ours here in Knoxville so much. We beat them in basketball and all of a sudden we are an at large possibility. Lose to them in football and our season is a bust. My expectations are that we continue to get better, and if we make the NCAA's or NIT than thats just a bonus to build towards a pretty good team coming back next year.
 
#77
#77
Expectations:
1. A strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.
2. A belief that someone will or should achieve something.

Funny how FLA sports seems to change ours here in Knoxville so much. We beat them in basketball and all of a sudden we are an at large possibility. Lose to them in football and our season is a bust. My expectations are that we continue to get better, and if we make the NCAA's or NIT than thats just a bonus to build towards a pretty good team coming back next year.

That's okay, but our way is much more exciting than yours.
And I for one can handle the disappointments if they come.
 
#78
#78
I agree OP, the bare minimum we can do and still have a shot at the tourney is to close out 5-1 and win 2 in the SECT.

That wouldn't guarentee us, but we would be one of the major bubble teams.

We would have closed down the stretch 10-2 which would look good.
 
#79
#79
That's okay, but our way is much more exciting than yours.
And I for one can handle the disappointments if they come.

Very true.

Those people who are worried we are setting ourselves up for disappointment should just tune in for games and that's it. This is fun, it's exciting, and for me personally is a great thing to watch with this team when all things are considered.

IMO this is a very exciting time to be a Tennessee basketball fan, and you have great reason to be optimistic.
 
#80
#80
Expectations:
1. A strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.
2. A belief that someone will or should achieve something.

Funny how FLA sports seems to change ours here in Knoxville so much. We beat them in basketball and all of a sudden we are an at large possibility. Lose to them in football and our season is a bust. My expectations are that we continue to get better, and if we make the NCAA's or NIT than thats just a bonus to build towards a pretty good team coming back next year.

I don't think anyone on this site is expecting us to reach the NCAA but we are still a at large possibility. Sane people's expectations match yours. CCM has done a great job with a team that was picked to finish 11th in the SEC and now we are having fun with it. We were talking about reaching the tournament last week before the Florida game and you should've heard the negativity then. Then we won. Win the Arkansas game and we will talk about the NCAA even more because it's that much closer.
 
#81
#81
Summary of this thread:

It's possible to get into the NCAA tourney.

You all are crazy!

But it's possible

Ain't gonna happen.

But it can be done.

Sure it can be done but it won't be done.

That's not the point it can be done. Agree?

Fine, whatever

Ok, good

Ain't gonna happen.

:rolleyes:
 
#82
#82
Summary of this thread:

It's possible to get into the NCAA tourney.

You all are crazy!

But it's possible

Ain't gonna happen.

But it can be done.

Sure it can be done but it won't be done.

That's not the point it can be done. Agree?

Fine, whatever

Ok, good

Ain't gonna happen.

:rolleyes:

lol. only 119 posts and you get it already. :)
 
#83
#83
Reality is, BTNO is dead right, we have a chance. We need to and should take care of business the next four games. If we do, it gets REALLY interesting because we will then need to take one from either LSU at home or Vandy in TBA.
 
#84
#84
Reality is, BTNO is dead right, we have a chance. We need to and should take care of business the next four games. If we do, it gets REALLY interesting because we will then need to take one from either LSU at home or Vandy in TBA.

Both preferably!
 
#85
#85
IMO Only Big Dance Chance is win SECT or win 5-6 of last 6 and get to finals of SECT and at least give KY a game.
 
#86
#86
What team needs to do is focus on beating Arkansas. Because if we give Hogs the gift Gators gave us (1st road win) then we're back where we were. Vols have to hold court at home and hope they get Bama short handed or emotionally down over suspensions.
 
#87
#87
What team needs to do is focus on beating Arkansas. Because if we give Hogs the gift Gators gave us (1st road win) then we're back where we were. Vols have to hold court at home and hope they get Bama short handed or emotionally down over suspensions.

This is all very true. Have to win all home games, ideally if you're gonna lose make it bama or lsu.
 
#88
#88
What team needs to do is focus on beating Arkansas. Because if we give Hogs the gift Gators gave us (1st road win) then we're back where we were. Vols have to hold court at home and hope they get Bama short handed or emotionally down over suspensions.

The way I see it, Florida didn't have much of a say in the game. We controlled it beginning to end. We can do the same w/ arky, I hope.
 
#89
#89
As much as I'd love to see this team as an NCAA tourney qualifier I've been disappointed too much this season not to take it one game at a time considering we still have 6 games to go. Hopefully we are peaking at the right time!
 
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#90
#90
The way I see it, Florida didn't have much of a say in the game. We controlled it beginning to end. We can do the same w/ arky, I hope.

Fan base expectation is that Vols will. Question is will Vols give they same defensive effort they gave in Gainsville? You hold anyone under 60 and you should win.
 
#91
#91
I agree with everything you say but the scenario of losing to Vandy at home.
Home losses are devastating because of the weighting system.
That's why the AP loss hurt us so bad. Bottom feeder factored in at 1.4.
If we lose 1 game it probably needs to be LSU on the road. RPI 76 and and weighted .6 for a loss on the road. wouldn't bump us down near as much as Vandy.
Personally, I think there's no way Vandy beats us at TBA.
But, I had FLA by 12 yesterday - so what do I know.

man where were you 2 weeks ago? they OWNED us
 
#93
#93
The way I see it, Florida didn't have much of a say in the game. We controlled it beginning to end. We can do the same w/ arky, I hope.
Arky is a good match up for us here.
Very young. Leading scorer is a freshman.
Don't play well against very physical teams and haven't found their mojo on the road yet.
 
#94
#94
Can we get an at large bid to the tournament?

That is the question that seems to be running wild all over VN, ever since we ran out of florida last night with the big W. The point of this thread is to give you all the facts, and numbers as how we currently stand and were we can be. You are more than welcome to form your own opinion after you have read the facts, and looked at the numbers, but i want a place for people to be able to come when they have this question and get an honest answer. so with that said lets get started:

prior to the start of the week our rpi was around the 150 range i believe. the win vs sc bumped us up around 10 spots and we were around 140 or so after that win. after we beat florida multiple sites have us anywhere from 105-110 now. this number was hire initially, but other games that occured last night did effect it and drop us a bit, so remember that, this is a constant changing number depending on what other teams do that are ahead of us and below us.

so we are currently at we'll say rpi of 108, with a 12-12 record(rpi doesnt count chaminade) and 5-5 in sec tied for 5th. we have remaining games against Arkansas(66rpi), @Bama(32rpi), Ole Miss(51rpi), @USCjr(171rpi), @LSU(71rpi), Vandy(26rpi). road games count more than home wins, and obviously wins against higher rpi teams will do more for your rpi, so we definitely have some opportunity games remaining.

1. the most reasonable theory i think many here could agree on is that we go 5-1 down the stretch, and we'll say that loss comes to vanderbilt at home. so we finish the season 17-13(10-6)(remember cham. doesnt count towards rpi). according to rpiforecast.com that would give us a rpi around, 75 at seasons end. we would go into the sec as probably the 6th seed, so as it stands would play auburn, miss st, and then florida if favorites were to win out, to me none of those teams are unbeatable. if we won 2 of them losing to say UF in the semis and finished at 19-14, our projected rpi would be 55. if we were to win all 3 and then lose in the sec championship game and be 20-14 our rpi would be a projected 42.

2. another scenario would be we go 6-0 down the stretch and finish the seaosn 18-12. our rpi at seasons end would be a projected 63. we would most likely be receiving a first round bye, and probably be the 2 or 3 seed because of tie breaker we'd hold over florida. so we'll say 3 seed for the sake of arguement, we would play the winner of alabama/auburn in rd 2, rd 3 we'd play most likely florida. if we won the first game and finished 19-13 our rpi would be 61. if we won the first 2 games and lost in the championship and our record was 20-13 our rpi would be 44.

3. the best case scenario would be we finish 6-0 down the stretch, but we dont finish top 4 in sec so we dont get a bye. we go into the sec tournament with no bye and a record of 18-12(11-5), we 3 games and lose in the championship giving us a record of 21-13 and a rpi projected at around 35. this is a very unlikely scenario as for starters we'd have to go 6-0, but we'd also have to have vandy only lose to us and win out. we would also need florida to win out and miss st to win out so that those teams finished 1-4 not giving us a bye.

the most probable scenario of these all is 1 imo. i think we can easily go 5-1 down the stretch, win our first 2 games agaist auburn and miss st and finish with a rpi of around 55, or beat uf in the semi's in the next round and have a rpi of around 42. right now it looks like the ncaa will take 5 at the most 6 sec teams, so basically we need to get our rpi above bama, ole miss, and arkansas. it just so happens to be that those are our next 3 games, so it really honestly lies in our own hands as far as what our chances will be. if we win the next 3 games and jump those teams in rpi, we will start to get a much clearer picture of how things will shape up.

as i said; everyone is free to form their own opinion i just wanted to provide the truth and the numbers for people to see and come up with their own opinion. it is obviously very clear that there are multilple scenarios in which this team can finish the season and still make the ncaa tournament. heck, one of those scenarios is finish 5-1, and only beat auburn and msu in the sec t, thats really not asking anything insane i dont think. obviously the more we win the better our chances get, and we really need a strong showing these next 3 games to try and jump ole miss, arky, and bama in the rpi rankings, and then will be considered the 5th best team in the sec, and as i said the committee will take atleast 5 maybe even 6.


is this proable? no, not really

is is possible? absolutely it is




GBO!!!

Not bad man.:thumbsup:
 
#95
#95
Coach Martin is doing a good job.I just wish the players would have bought in a little earlier in the season and beat some of those lower tier teams that we lost to.Tennessee should not be playing Oakland and College of Charleston on the the road.They should be playing those games at home.
 
#97
#97
Isn't the committee big on 'last 10 games?' If we go 5-1 the rest of the regualr season then we're assured of finishing no worse than 8-2 with respect to 'last 10,' regardless what happens in the sec tourney.

5-1 down the stretch and thurs and fri wins in the tourney - we're in baby. Giddyup!
 
#98
#98
Isn't the committee big on 'last 10 games?' If we go 5-1 the rest of the regualr season then we're assured of finishing no worse than 8-2 with respect to 'last 10,' regardless what happens in the sec tourney.

5-1 down the stretch and thurs and fri wins in the tourney - we're in baby. Giddyup!

If we go 5-1 down the stretch, we'll be in the conversation. I think the NCAA looks at your total body of work. Although we've had some nice wins lately, the turds in the punch bowl are the Peay loss at home (worse one by far) and the losses to UGA, Oakland and C of C. I thought the C of C and Oakland losses wouldn't be that bad. They haven't done that well this year though.
 
#99
#99
it would be impossible for us to win out in the regular season and not get a ye because we are tied for fifth right now with alabama, arkansas, and ole miss. we play all three of them so we would be ahead of them. we are only one game behind vandy and if we win out we would beat them, and they will not win out because they still host Florida and have to go to Rupp
 
If we go 5-1 down the stretch, we'll be in the conversation. I think the NCAA looks at your total body of work. Although we've had some nice wins lately, the turds in the punch bowl are the Peay loss at home (worse one by far) and the losses to UGA, Oakland and C of C. I thought the C of C and Oakland losses wouldn't be that bad. They haven't done that well this year though.


The committee has admitted they out more weight on the last 2 months of the season. That would put less weight on those bad losses in December, thankfully.
 

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