Recruiting Football Talk VII

[DarthVol1]

Doug Matthews just said on his show that 4 of those refs were from smaller conferences that the SEC are looking at as possible regular refs for the future. Said that the non conf games are basically try outs for the refs from smaller conferences. Hopefully we never see any of them again.

 

[JCVol00]

Doug Matthews just said on his show that 4 of those refs were from smaller conferences that the SEC are looking at as possible regular refs for the future. Said that the non conf games are basically try outs for the refs from smaller conferences. Hopefully we never see any of them again.

The head ref is a tenured SEC ref though, and usually he’s been fairly consistent. Maybe a rough night since that wasn’t his normal crew. Not to mention he is a UF grad though

 

[Aesius]

The head ref is a tenured SEC ref though, and usually he’s been fairly consistent. Maybe a rough night since that wasn’t his normal crew. Not to mention he is a UF grad though

We gotta get more homers in the media and officiating crews.

 

[SoilVol]

This is ...they are just trying to destroy him so they can fire him, and not have to pay him that ridiculous contract.

It would be terrible if MSU was involved in this. I'm not convinced they are - but woooof if they set this man up.

But the profile of this woman's non-profit and business is going to skyrocket. The donations to her non-profit will skyrocket.

This is also the same woman who publicly went after Peyton Manning and Tennessee's TitleIX lawsuit around the football team during Butch's tenure.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I know Thornton dropped a couple yesterday but he came here to be a big part of offense....also need Squirrel on the long post routes like last year not these damn bubble screens.... personally can't stand that play may bust one occasionally ...if you want a damn five yard gain run a draw up the gut with Wright... jmo I'm an arm chair coach like most everyone else

We haven’t needed to show anything yet and I bet we see more long pass plays this week. If not, Milton doesn’t trust himself and we are in for a long season. Thornton needs less snaps if he can’t catch because Squirrel and Milton are probably the Two with the best chemistry

 

[Big Orange#1]

I kind of feel zero SEC loyalty at this point as well, I just feel like Tennessee is just on its own and has been for awhile

It should have never been a thing in the first place. They are our rivals, hate them all

 

[Smokey123]

I like this.

We have more sacks in 2 games than we had through 4 games last year

It’s tough to say for sure given the first two opponents but I think our defense is good enough this year to keep us in any game minus maybe Georgia. We were spoiled with Hooker

 

[Adam2014]

I hate to keep piling on Joe, but he has the keys to this offense and right now it does not look efficient. Perhaps, he can overcome his accuracy issues and late decision making. Obviously, he has the respect of the team because they elected him as a captain. However, I just cannot stop thinking about Mike Leach’s opinion on QBs…

“And a lot of times, you hear how big somebody is, how strong somebody is, how fast somebody is," he said. "Well, every bit of that is irrelevant unless they're accurate and can make good decisions. From there, you look for, do they have quick feet? Are they fast? Which, those are two different things. And then, do they have a strong arm. Some collection of those things and their ability to lead and elevate their team... you see quarterbacks come from all different levels than just Division 1.”

 

[Smokey123]

Spread is out vs Florida Tennessee -8.5 ...pretty big spread when you factor in home team usually gets three... so in reality odds makers are saying Tennessee by 11.5.... Go Vols

Will be interesting to see how the spread moves and where sharp money goes

 

[knoxvol52]

We haven’t needed to show anything yet and I bet we see more long pass plays this week. If not, Milton doesn’t trust himself and we are in for a long season. Thornton needs less snaps if he can’t catch because Squirrel and Milton are probably the Two with the best chemistry

Keyton also seems like he has been targeted quite a bit by Joe....

 

[LadyVolette]

So a person who's very public career is centered around sexual assault lawsuits somehow had the misfortune of a high profile figure continuously making sexual advances toward her for months? And the high profile figure is publicly admitting to the relationship but states he was convinced it was consensual and mutual?

Absolutely no fishy business there whatsoever right?

It does seem weird, if someone was doing something weird on the phone I would be like ‘oh what’s that, gotta go’ I don’t care who it is It’s a very bizarre scenario, I have never heard of this phone call masturbation stuff.. maybe prank calls from the 80s?

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

After sleeping on it, here are my post game random thoughts... (and I'm trying real hard not to knee jerk

-- Joe Milton isn't it. And it pains me to say that because I've been on the Milton hype train all offseason. I am not lying when I say I thought he would have a Cam Newton type potential Heisman season and yeah, potentially be the first or second QB drafted. He's got the size and arm that, if you were building a player in NCAA 2014 (which cool guys like me still play) you'd build them like Joe. But he lacks a feel for the position, sometimes referred to as moxie. It's as if he's over thinking back there. And he isn't accurate. From my seats in the stands, it looked as though had he hit Bru in stride on that first offensive series, Bru is running to the end zone. Bad miss. There were other times throughout the game where he'd get the snap and a receiver would be open almost immediately 7-10 yards off the LOS and he would hesitate to throw, or just look for someone else.

-- Aaron Beasley is the best linebacker we've had in a long, long time. Almost the exact opposite as Joe in that he isn't the prototypical size but makes up for it with all the intangibles. I have to give credit to Matt Ray (if he still reads here - don't remember his screen name) but he had said two years ago that that staff loved Beasley and he was going to be our best LB. I was skeptical at the time but it has come to fruition.

-- Jaylen Wright is our best player. Looks like our best running back since probably Kamara, except he's being used correctly.

-- Flipside is, Jabari Small is a progress stopper. He's a VFL and I appreciate everything he's done - but he isn't especially fast, lacks great vision, doesn't have very good feet or balance. I guess he's steady but IMO I'd rather see what the younger backs have.

-- Can I just say how frustrating it was we just got into a dog fight with an undersized/undermanned FCS school? That was a very Butch Jones/Jeremy Pruitt style game. And I never had an opinion on Austin Pee before but I can't stand them now. Not because they played their guts out - but because of how obnoxious the players were on the sidelines. This might not have shown on TV but the refs kept screwing us over and the fans were making a lot of noise about it - and their players were on their sidelines taunting the fans. Oh and their coach was beyond obnoxious with his sideline temper tantrums.

-- There is zero reason that officiating crew should still have a job. I won't get into the bad calls because we all saw them but it was comical. Except not comical in a haha kind of way. Comical in a I hope they go home and find their house burned down kind of way. Just seemingly blatant bad calls, even post review.

-- Donte Thornton (and Milton's) performance is why I hate hate hate hate hate reading all the pre-season practice reports. Yet I can't quit doing it. How many times did we hear what a freak Thornton was and how everything looks effortless and he's definitely a one and done blah blah blah blah blah. Absolute non factor. Two horrid drops yesterday. I'm guessing he was benched - deservedly so. Majorly disappointed there.

-- Our offensive line is not good in pass protection. I forget when exactly it was in the game but we set up a perfect play and I watched as Squirrel was streaking open on a deep post that likely would've gone for six, and when I saw how wide open he was I looked to see what Joe was doing and he had TWO Autsin Pissers on him, getting a sack.

-- Dear Coaching Staff ..... stop being so predictable on second down. It's always a wasted play. For those that haven't caught on yet, we run a play on first down.... RUSH to the line as fast as possible.... hand it off on a draw up the middle. Every. Damned. Time. The defense always knows its coming. And our offensive line isn't good enough for it to be a productive play. Last night it kept ending in a tackle at the LOS - especially if Small is the ball carrier.

-- I no longer have confidence in games vs Florida, uscjr, Texas A&M etc. I don't now how anyone can watch our performance yesterday and feel confident we can beat them. Hell, I think if that was UTSA we played last night instead of Austin Urine, we lose. But it's only Sunday morning. I'm sure by Wednesday I will have convinced myself that we kept it vanilla on purpose and come SEC play were going to open things up and shock the world.

-- Lastly... hats off to the crowd last night. That atmosphere - weak opponent and flakey weather notwithstanding - was intense. It was fun. I love night games at Neyland. Us fans definitely did our part.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Doug Matthews just said on his show that 4 of those refs were from smaller conferences that the SEC are looking at as possible regular refs for the future. Said that the non conf games are basically try outs for the refs from smaller conferences. Hopefully we never see any of them again.

Welp, that was an epic fail of a job interview.

 

[knoxvol52]

Will be interesting to see how the spread moves and where sharp money goes

I'm sure some big money Florida guys will bet big on Florida to move the line

 

[Glitch]

SEC SEC SEC!

 

[headhunter15]

The defense is good enough to beat Florida, A&M, & Bama. Gotta have the offense though and I’m worried about it.

 

[VolInDayton]

Joe Milton had a bad game, but if you factored in drops where the receivers had both hands on the ball with no defenders on them, he had a 78% completion percentage.

 

[BigSteve09]

I took a shot last night and scouted the possibilities for the 3rd Quarter Boiz this year and I have to say it wasn't a great time

 

[Glitch]

No. Refs refused to see the obvious. Every angle was pretty clear he caught it, made a move with the ball, and it was stripped. The announcers were as confused as TN was about the call.

As a ref, you should always let a play like that run its course. What if we had run it back for a TD? They could always rule it an incompletion later. But you rule it that way from the jump, and then even if they overturn it we get it at the spot of the fumble and no TD. Refs were trash.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

For you UFC fans.... Sean Strickland... WOW

That was a surprise

 

[Smokey123]

After sleeping on it, here are my post game random thoughts... (and I'm trying real hard not to knee jerk

-- Joe Milton isn't it. And it pains me to say that because I've been on the Milton hype train all offseason. I am not lying when I say I thought he would have a Cam Newton type potential Heisman season and yeah, potentially be the first or second QB drafted. He's got the size and arm that, if you were building a player in NCAA 2014 (which cool guys like me still play) you'd build them like Joe. But he lacks a feel for the position, sometimes referred to as moxie. It's as if he's over thinking back there. And he isn't accurate. From my seats in the stands, it looked as though had he hit Bru in stride on that first offensive series, Bru is running to the end zone. Bad miss. There were other times throughout the game where he'd get the snap and a receiver would be open almost immediately 7-10 yards off the LOS and he would hesitate to throw, or just look for someone else.

-- Aaron Beasley is the best linebacker we've had in a long, long time. Almost the exact opposite as Joe in that he isn't the prototypical size but makes up for it with all the intangibles. I have to give credit to Matt Ray (if he still reads here - don't remember his screen name) but he had said two years ago that that staff loved Beasley and he was going to be our best LB. I was skeptical at the time but it has come to fruition.

-- Jaylen Wright is our best player. Looks like our best running back since probably Kamara, except he's being used correctly.

-- Flipside is, Jabari Small is a progress stopper. He's a VFL and I appreciate everything he's done - but he isn't especially fast, lacks great vision, doesn't have very good feet or balance. I guess he's steady but IMO I'd rather see what the younger backs have.

-- Can I just say how frustrating it was we just got into a dog fight with an undersized/undermanned FCS school? That was a very Butch Jones/Jeremy Pruitt style game. And I never had an opinion on Austin Pee before but I can't stand them now. Not because they played their guts out - but because of how obnoxious the players were on the sidelines. This might not have shown on TV but the refs kept screwing us over and the fans were making a lot of noise about it - and their players were on their sidelines taunting the fans. Oh and their coach was beyond obnoxious with his sideline temper tantrums.

-- There is zero reason that officiating crew should still have a job. I won't get into the bad calls because we all saw them but it was comical. Except not comical in a haha kind of way. Comical in a I hope they go home and find their house burned down kind of way. Just seemingly blatant bad calls, even post review.

-- Donte Thornton (and Milton's) performance is why I hate hate hate hate hate reading all the pre-season practice reports. Yet I can't quit doing it. How many times did we hear what a freak Thornton was and how everything looks effortless and he's definitely a one and done blah blah blah blah blah. Absolute non factor. Two horrid drops yesterday. I'm guessing he was benched - deservedly so. Majorly disappointed there.

-- Our offensive line is not good in pass protection. I forget when exactly it was in the game but we set up a perfect play and I watched as Squirrel was streaking open on a deep post that likely would've gone for six, and when I saw how wide open he was I looked to see what Joe was doing and he had TWO Autsin Pissers on him, getting a sack.

-- Dear Coaching Staff ..... stop being so predictable on second down. It's always a wasted play. For those that haven't caught on yet, we run a play on first down.... RUSH to the line as fast as possible.... hand it off on a draw up the middle. Every. Damned. Time. The defense always knows its coming. And our offensive line isn't good enough for it to be a productive play. Last night it kept ending in a tackle at the LOS - especially if Small is the ball carrier.

-- I no longer have confidence in games vs Florida, uscjr, Texas A&M etc. I don't now how anyone can watch our performance yesterday and feel confident we can beat them. Hell, I think if that was UTSA we played last night instead of Austin Urine, we lose. But it's only Sunday morning. I'm sure by Wednesday I will have convinced myself that we kept it vanilla on purpose and come SEC play were going to open things up and shock the world.

-- Lastly... hats off to the crowd last night. That atmosphere - weak opponent and flakey weather notwithstanding - was intense. It was fun. I love night games at Neyland. Us fans definitely did our part.

Our oline has not been that bad… The play you’re talking about Dayne whiffed bad on a block… he’s our 2nd string center rn and will get demoted to 3rd when Mays comes back

 

[engineerVOL]

Joe Milton had a bad game, but if you factored in drops where the receivers had both hands on the ball with no defenders on them, he had a 78% completion percentage.

Like 15 passes at the LOS. Catered playcalling or just doing what worked on an off night?

 

[JCVol00]

My gawd, I just watched the first quarter from the game, and all the drops were inaccurate throws by milton, except for when he tried to throw to squirrel on 3rd down on the tennessee sideline.

 

[nashvol1]

See a lot of posts on D not a concern, I don’t feel the same. APSU had more total yards, more passing yards, more first downs against us than Illinois St.

 

[JCVol00]

Also, I just saw that fumble the refs ruled incomplete again and I am pissed all over again