Recruiting Football Talk VII

[butchna]

Barnes, Vitello and Heup have a long way to go to match what Knight accomplished…. His players went to him bc they wanted to be coached in that style. They(not all) adored and respected the man… Knight was also known for how much he loved and supported all his former players. His players took on his persona and were some of the most physically and mentally tough teams in the country.

Plenty of truly genuine, fundamental greatness in his coaching for 3/4 of his tenure in Bloomington. After A Season On The Brink provided a rare (at the time before 24 hour sports coverage and internet) insight into his unique character, he bought more steadily each successive season into his own legend and became a cartoon of his former self imo. The 30 for 30 feature Last Days of Knight was criticized for it’s limited scope, but it revealed many angles of the man I had previously missed or disregarded. Knight didn’t merely chew out Neil Reed and kick him out of practice…he PHYSICALLY CHOKED him! And never apologized or admitted wrongdoing. ”It’s just Bobby Knight…that’s how he is!” I’d recommend watching it if you haven’t. All that followed was chaos HE created when the AD and President were personal fans and DID NOT want him gone. Already tl/dr so I’ll end it there.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

You’re acting like he sucks yet he’s going to be in the HOF lol just stop

Basketball is VERY relevant. That’s what matters and it’s because of Barnes whether you like it or not REGARDLESS of his march shortcomings.

The difference is you think he sucks for march shortcomings, while most of us appreciate the relevancy and still get annoyed about march

No my point is, I believe with competent leadership and actual support, a good AD can find another coach who can accomplish what Barnes has done.
That's why I call for him getting fired, I want DW to prove to you all that there are other coaches out there that can do what Barnes has done with competent leadership.

 

[UTSuave’]

Can't believe we are still b*tching about a Hall of Fame head coach putting us through the best period of basketball success in school history, with probably the deepest team we've ever had, who just upset #4 on the road in an exhibition without two starters.

Ffs, just enjoy watching him ride off in the sunset and cheer on our Vols along the way. Stop being such bitter babies.

New year.same movie…final 4..I like Barnes.

 

[Orange_Crush]

couldn’t quite make it through the coaches show.

For those who called Dabo's response unhinged, this is what unhinged looks like. lol

 

[Jimmy Football]

Do I know enough about hiring coaches to make a list, no.
Again like I've always said, I dislike because this fan base likes to act like he walks on water. It's OK to say he's made the program more consisten while acknowledging his March shortcomings.

There’s a gulf of difference between “acknowledging his March shortcomings” and crapping on the guy before the season has even started. (Though to be fair, you didn’t start it this morning.)

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Do I know enough about hiring coaches to make a list, no.
Again like I've always said, I dislike because this fan base likes to act like he walks on water. It's OK to say he's made the program more consisten while acknowledging his March shortcomings.

Can help you with this.

2 coaches have reached #1 in the polls
Bruce Pearl & Rick Barnes

4 coaches have won the SECT Title
John Mauer (twice, in the 40s)
Don DeVoe (once in his first year 78/79)
Rick Barnes (once)
Blair Gullion (once, in the 30s)

3 coaches have made 5 or more NCAA tournaments
Don DeVoe & Bruce Pearl 6 each
Rick Barnes with 5

3 coaches with 175 wins or more
Ray Mears with 278 in 15 seasons
Don DeVoe with 204 in 11 seasons
Rick Barnes with 175 (in just 8 seasons)

7 coaches have won the SEC Regular season title
Mears (3 times)
Pearl (3 times)
Mauer (2 times)
Green (2 times)
Guillion, Barnes, and Devoe once each

Pearl - 3 sweet 16s, 1 elite eight
Barnes - 2 sweet 16s
Marin - 1 sweet 16
Green - 1 sweet 16
DeVoe - 1 sweet 16
Ray Mears - 1 sweet 16

SEC COY (while at UT)
Barnes - 1
Pearl - 1


So really Pearl's got 1 good tournament run where he made the Elite Eight otherwise Barnes has done just as much if not more in a tougher SEC too.

 

[drvenner]

@peaygolf

A friend and I were playing golf. After the third hole he announced, "This is kind of boring. Whaddya say we make it more interesting?" He is a pretty good golfer and I think he wanted to wager. So, I replied, "to make it more interesting, how about we just stop playing golf?"

 

[Orange_Crush]

He's supposedly one of the best football coaches in history, yet has a perpetual look of confusion on his face.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

There’s a gulf of difference between “acknowledging his March shortcomings” and crapping on the guy before the season has even started. (Though to be fair, you didn’t start it this morning.)

No, like I mentioned the other day, this team is a good team. Knecht and Gainey are better player than I thought they would be, but I still don't trust them to do anything until they do.
(Yes, I said I have a significant sum on the Vols to win the SEC but that's something I bet every year for my teams, I just like this team so I put a little extra on it.)

 

[butchna]

Can't believe we are still b*tching about a Hall of Fame head coach putting us through the best period of basketball success in school history, with probably the deepest team we've ever had, who just upset #4 on the road in an exhibition without two starters.

Ffs, just enjoy watching him ride off in the sunset and cheer on our Vols along the way. Stop being such bitter babies.

We deserve nothing less than the historic success our program has never achieved.
- VN Regulators prolly

 

[volbeast33]

No my point is, I believe with competent leadership and actual support, a good AD can find another coach who can accomplish what Barnes has done.
That's why I call for him getting fired, I want DW to prove to you all that there are other coaches out there that can do what Barnes has done with competent leadership.

that’s ridiculous…. i do think DW will make a good hire but you don’t run off a coach that is doing as good as Barnes has done.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Do I know enough about hiring coaches to make a list, no.
Again like I've always said, I dislike because this fan base likes to act like he walks on water. It's OK to say he's made the program more consisten while acknowledging his March shortcomings.

That is an absurd rationale. At least people here have the mental acuity to dislike you for what you do.

I'm not joking. If you dislike a person due to the actions of others, you may be suffering from mental illness.

 

[volbeast33]

For those who called Dabo's response unhinged, this is what unhinged looks like. lol

it looks like myself during every Tennessee football game.

 

[SpringBokVol]

Could be wrong... but has any other Vols basketball coach done ALL the things Barnes has?

#1, SEC regular season title, SECT title, win 30 games, and a sweet sixteen. Not to mention he recruited 7 of our top 10 all-time ranked recruits (since ratings started) on 24/7

What I think makes Barnes the greatest coach in UT men's basketball history is that he's accomplished all of those things. He's already 3rd all time in most wins here and if he reaches the Elite Eight there won't be an accomplishment at UT that he hasn't done.

Is he the best college basketball coach? No, probably not even top 10 if you really get into debating it. But is he the best coach here at UT? Without a question.

I don't know how you can't be happy watching this era of BBall coached by Barnes. Just like Football and Baseball. It's just fun to be a part of it.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

No my point is, I believe with competent leadership and actual support, a good AD can find another coach who can accomplish what Barnes has done.
That's why I call for him getting fired, I want DW to prove to you all that there are other coaches out there that can do what Barnes has done with competent leadership.

Absolutely no AD worth a **** would fire a coach coming off a Sweet 16 and that's AFTER losing our starting PG just a few games before the tournament started.

 

[Orange_Crush]

No my point is, I believe with competent leadership and actual support, a good AD can find another coach who can accomplish what Barnes has done.
That's why I call for him getting fired, I want DW to prove to you all that there are other coaches out there that can do what Barnes has done with competent leadership.

You want a man to lose his livelihood, to produce equal results, so you can make a point to people you don't know? And this level of animosity isn't even because of what he's done, but because of the actions of other people whom he doesn't know?

Do you filter things at all before sharing them with the world?

 

[Jimmy Football]

No, like I mentioned the other day, this team is a good team. Knecht and Gainey are better player than I thought they would be, but I still don't trust them to do anything until they do.
(Yes, I said I have a significant sum on the Vols to win the SEC but that's something I bet every year for my teams, I just like this team so I put a little extra on it.)

I expect them to win 25 games, which is doing something. We’ll see about March (track record isn’t good, but you never know), but the sport is more than those three weeks.

I’m really proud of the stature this program has assumed, and you could feel it in how much it meant to that crowd in East Lansing on Sunday. Tennessee basketball now means something nationally that it hasn’t meant since I was a kid (and maybe even ever). I’m grateful to Bruce and Rick for that.

 

[SpringBokVol]

Can help you with this.

2 coaches have reached #1 in the polls
Bruce Pearl & Rick Barnes

4 coaches have won the SECT Title
John Mauer (twice, in the 40s)
Don DeVoe (once in his first year 78/79)
Rick Barnes (once)
Blair Gullion (once, in the 30s)

3 coaches have made 5 or more NCAA tournaments
Don DeVoe & Bruce Pearl 6 each
Rick Barnes with 5

3 coaches with 175 wins or more
Ray Mears with 278 in 15 seasons
Don DeVoe with 204 in 11 seasons
Rick Barnes with 175 (in just 8 seasons)

7 coaches have won the SEC Regular season title
Mears (3 times)
Pearl (3 times)
Mauer (2 times)
Green (2 times)
Guillion, Barnes, and Devoe once each

Pearl - 3 sweet 16s, 1 elite eight
Barnes - 2 sweet 16s
Marin - 1 sweet 16
Green - 1 sweet 16
DeVoe - 1 sweet 16
Ray Mears - 1 sweet 16

SEC COY (while at UT)
Barnes - 1
Pearl - 1


So really Pearl's got 1 good tournament run where he made the Elite Eight otherwise Barnes has done just as much if not more in a tougher SEC too.

This tells me a couple things.

1. Barnes is a really good coach. He has built a culture and foundational structure for this team that will be hard to match.
2. His teams make the tourney - that's the floor.
3. He needs a good tournament run when things come together... so far his teams have not exceeded expectations in the tourney. Blame can be assigned as you wish for those expectations.

Both things can be true at the same time... Barnes has been a great coach at Tennessee and gotten this program into a national contender but has fallen short of goals/expectations in the NCAA tourney.

 

[SpringBokVol]

No my point is, I believe with competent leadership and actual support, a good AD can find another coach who can accomplish what Barnes has done.
That's why I call for him getting fired, I want DW to prove to you all that there are other coaches out there that can do what Barnes has done with competent leadership.

I don't know how you could justify wanting to fire Barnes at this point.

 

[TheRain]

These are getting better.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't know how you could justify wanting to fire Barnes at this point.

Well, if your goal is to make UT pariah for any decent coach, who would be unwilling to take a job here if that's the reward for success...

 

[SoilVol]

Best period maybe, but what has he accomplished that other coaches haven't?
We've won the SEC before him.
We won the SECT before him.
We made the S16 before him.
We have an EE before him.
We've been ranked #1 before him.
He has the program at a consistent level, but he hasn't accomplished anything that hadn't already been done, and on top of that he has the most support from an AD that any TN MBB coach has ever had. With the support and resources he is getting he should be able to accomplish something the program hasn't done before.

Disingenuous at best and you know it.

It took every coach in UT history, collectively, to accomplish those things and Barnes has done all of them sans EE in 10 years. Take a lap.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I expect them to win 25 games, which is doing something. We’ll see about March (track record isn’t good, but you never know), but the sport is more than those three weeks.

I’m really proud of the stature this program has assumed, and you could feel it in how much it meant to that crowd in East Lansing on Sunday. Tennessee basketball now means something nationally that it hasn’t meant since I was a kid (and maybe even ever). I’m grateful to Bruce and Rick for that.

That 25 wins thing is intresting. I saw where some models had us at 12-6. Most projections I've seen have us as the favorite to win the regular season. I didnt go back super far but back to 2019 the worst record to win the conference was 13-5. So let's say we go 12-6 don't win the conference, don't win the conference tournament and flame put in the S16 again. Yes that's a disappointing season. So I say all that to say I don't think 25 wins is much to celebrate. It's kind of like going 8-4 in football, who did you beat?

 

[mrMet]

No my point is, I believe with competent leadership and actual support, a good AD can find another coach who can accomplish what Barnes has done.
That's why I call for him getting fired, I want DW to prove to you all that there are other coaches out there that can do what Barnes has done with competent leadership.

Lol ok hot rod

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Disingenuous at best and you know it.

It took every coach in UT history, collectively, to accomplish those things and Barnes has done all of them sans EE in 10 years. Take a lap.

Correct and I even said he deserves credit for the consistency of the program, but he hasn't accomplished anything new.