Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Glitch]

Confirmed Lanning doesn’t want that SEC smoke. Oregon is a baller job anyway but still.

TAMU AD: "I'd like to introduce you to the next former head coach of the Texas A&M Aggies.... Coach Dan Lanning!"

 

[sammyjoey]

What is the list of players who won’t play Saturday but would’ve played if the season had been injury free?

 

[Nash_Vol97]

he's got pacific nw, and cali to himself. oregon is a better job.

tamu is its own worst enemy. firing two coaches, after moving to division with goat coach. you compete with texas, ttu, oklahoma, et al for players.

you're little brother. what are your expectations? imo 10 wins is good there.

Money? Check. Facilities? Check. Hotbed of recruits? Check.

If you want the full picture listen to Josh Pates take on it. He essentially says A&M is a top coaching job in the country. If they make a good hire, which is where they have screwed up the last 2 times, then they will be a consistent player. I’m hoping they blow it again.

 

[Glitch]

condoms

Chemical neutering.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Nah. They have gold lined pockets. This aggressive move was to posture for a big name. Problem is when you cut a coaches throat, as they've shown a proclivity to do, you spoil the meat.

No plan, just money. They'll get a mercenary.

Cut a coaches throat.. also give them 76 million gauranteed if they fail. Shoot, I’ll kill my imaginative coaching career for that.

 

[KptVFL]

This is a long read but a VERY good article on Knecht.

Can you believe this guy was 5'6" as a freshman in high school?

Tennessee star Dalton Knecht's time is now

Behind the scenes of Dalton Knecht's absurd rise from junior college to the SEC.

247sports.com

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Hot take: With the playoffs expanding to 12 teams, being able to win consistently on the road is less important.

Give me a team that owns its home turf and neutral fields, and does just enough to pick off weaker teams on the road.

Or fix the road issues and win at home and on the road.

Boom

 

[LA Vol]

Im not sure why people draw lines around the state and think that's where our talent pool ends. We are dead center of all the best talent in America We are a day drive to 70% of the nation. There is 0 reason we can't compete to be in the top3 of the SEC every year, imo.

Even if we do that, there will be some 6-6, 7-5 seasons sprinkled in here and there. 8-4, 9-3 is an incredible overall average. We should be knocking on the door of 10+ wins every year from '25 on out, if Heupel stays and keeps the same trajectory he's shown since he got here.

Agreed. UT recruits nationally and builds a budget for that. UT doesn't take in-state players if they don't fit program needs, culture or academic standards, so the in-state base does not pre-determine the level of success. Every year, in-state players go to UK, SCAR, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Mizzou because they're down UT's board.

UGA and Bama have benefited greatly from UT's self-inflicted descent. Coaching instabilities impact recruiting and UGA has made the most of turbulence at UT and UF. Bama has enjoyed Auburn floundering, too. Both UGA and Bama capitalized while they were able, but they had tailwinds.

 

[UTSuave’]

People could say the same of Fulmer, but sometimes coaches just grow complacent. I think Mack Brown needed the change in scenery, and Texas just needed a new coach.

Fulmer made a mistake hiring a OC that ran a spread offense.during that time it was new and unheard of in the sec because everyone was running a pro style offense.in reality fulmer was on to something and we no idea.he just didn’t have the right personnel to run it efficiently,he was also 10+ years early on what would be considered a good hire with how college football has evolved today.

Dave clawson was ultimately fulmers kryptonite that got him fired also factoring in the underwhelming 08 recruiting class.the fanbase and top brass at UT was growing impatient and felt like he lost control entirely..if given another chance to make the correct hire to fit the roster/offensive scheme he knew at the time.I think he would still be here today.

this was all happening during a time Tennessee was coming up short each year to mark at Georgia.Florida was just getting started under Urban.once fulmer was fired our decline began.Florida took our spot in the east and it became a decade of back and forth between Georgia and Florida.the rest is history.We’re currently seeing the same historic events repeating itself with Florida currently on a rapid decline.it’s only a matter of time before josh bring us a natty assuming he’s being given the appropriate time.

as a fanbase sometimes we need to pause and reflect on how far we have come.Josh has given us far more results with less than any coach we’ve hired over the last 10+ years.My only issue with josh is he doesn’t possess the same fire that fulmer had on the sideline.this is why we’re getting zero respect from the officials/referees and the office in Birmingham.if he finds that within himself and fixes his game management snafoo’s we will be ok for a long time.


@LA Vol my friend I would love your insight on this correcting me on anything I may have said wrong.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Why do you think it's a much more attractive job?

Seriously?

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I'm not saying Tennessee shouldn't compete for it - I just don't think we should expect they will actually land those kinds of classes every single year in the same way Bama and Georgia have. I've concluded this after watching all of it over the last 20+ years, as the overall college football landscape has shifted and new powers have arisen. And that was before the addition of Texas to the SEC.

But that doesn't mean we can't be a fun, competitive football program that wins a national title at some point in the not too distant future...

I think it just takes the right staff (@Glitch ) I think a coach like Saban, Meyer, or Smart could've created the same level of success here. We should expect a top 10 performance every year. We won't always get that, but we have the resources & location to produce those types of results with the right coaching staff, imo.

 

[peaygolf]

Look at #129 and #130

 

[InVOLuntary]

Not to stick my nose in here, but with all the coaching changes and talk about poaching players from those programs, why is it so easy to forget that all this young defensive talent we're stockpiling chose to play for Banks and Martinez? Human nature for them to at least consider the portal if we fired one or both, no? I mean the portal works both ways. While the old saying about choosing the school not the coach sounds good in theory, it's all about relationships in recruiting. We've seen it with Riley and others. Kids can and sometimes do follow coaches or at least go somewhere else. Talent will make even an average coach look pretty darned good. When I look at our offense this year and recall what guys like Hooker, Hyatt and Tillman meant to that offense, it just makes me think we might want to show a little patience with Banks and yes, Martinez. Recruiting is going pretty well right now and the talent is coming. Maybe not rock the boat just yet, show some patience and stability for the sake of recruiting and see how they do with better players? If things don't improve, so be it. I'm betting they do. I really believe this staff is fighting with one hand tied behind their backs this year. The veterans just aren't at a level to be much better than an 8 win team. As the saying goes....water finds it's own level.

If you think Banks/Martinez are the answers, you shouldn't advocate for a change.

If you think either are an Achilles heel, you should advocate for change.

You should never settle for mediocre coaches just because a few players might not like the change. To he honest, it's not fair to those players to not give them the absolute best coaching. That's the job of every coach - putting them in the best possible position to succeed.

 

[screenthis]

I think it just takes the right staff (@Glitch ) I think a coach like Saban, Meyer, or Smart could've created the same level of success here. We should expect a top 10 performance every year. We won't always get that, but we have the resources & location to produce those types of results with the right coaching staff, imo.

Agreed. In fact, I don't see any reason (other than tradition) that Alabama is better positioned to win than us if not for Saban. That showed before Saban. Now, Florida remains in a better position with recruits in that state.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

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Look at #129 and #130

 

[Glitch]

I think it just takes the right staff (@Glitch ) I think a coach like Saban, Meyer, or Smart could've created the same level of success here. We should expect a top 10 performance every year. We won't always get that, but we have the resources & location to produce those types of results with the right coaching staff, imo.

You really hope to be able to find stability with one good staff and not be jumping from staff to staff. Too many staffs out there that start off strong but leave you disappointed and browsing CoachesOnly.com late at night when you should be sleeping.

 

[Glitch]

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Look at #129 and #130

 

[peaygolf]

I know.............

for the non 20/20 crowd...........Peay #129-----Vandy #130

 

[Glitch]

I know.............

for the non 20/20 crowd...........Peay #129-----Vandy #130

What is the chart for? It can't be for Methiest Head Coach. because Peay would be #1!

 

[Revived2002]

I think it just takes the right staff (@Glitch ) I think a coach like Saban, Meyer, or Smart could've created the same level of success here. We should expect a top 10 performance every year. We won't always get that, but we have the resources & location to produce those types of results with the right coaching staff, imo.

Now you’ve said it - my many years of watching Tennessee football and talking with others who have watched it many years before me tells me Tennessee will NEVER splurge and hire a coach on the order of Saban, Meyer or Smart. Outside of arguably Johnny Majors (a hometown favorite) or (worse) Lane Kiffin, they never have.

I’m also reasonably confident in saying those types of coaches wouldn’t come to Tennessee anyway. I think they see it as a mid-tier SEC program where it’s harder to win than at Bama, Georgia, Florida, Texas or LSU (for example ). None of them came in all the coaching carousel we just went through. Smart didn’t express interest. Mullen quickly ditched us for Florida in 2017.

We just are who we are. I don’t think it’s changing. But we can still win titles.

 

[knoxvol52]

Coach Neon Deion's Colorado team was predicted 3 wins before season ..looks like he will best that going to end up at 4-8 most likely...heavy underdogs last couple of games on schedule...4 wins gets him a 2 year extension and pay raise ..lol

 

[Enki_Amenra]

You really hope to be able to find stability with one good staff and not be jumping from staff to staff. Too many staffs out there that start off strong but leave you disappointed and browsing CoachesOnly.com late at night when you should be sleeping.

So many are now opting for huge staffs. Billy Napier seems to love a massive staff. I dont think the size of the staff should matter that much, but instead, the production you get from the members. Small staffs can still be incredible. . . but huge staffs seem more impressive, at least in photo shoots.

 

[SmokinBob]

UT Vols Defensive Backs Coach Willie Martinez Agrees to Raise and Extension

Welp.

 

[Glitch]

So many are now opting for huge staffs. Billy Napier seems to love a massive staff. I dont think the size of the staff should matter that much, but instead, the production you get from the members. Small staffs can still be incredible. . . but huge staffs seem more impressive, at least in photo shoots.

A large staff may seem desirable at first, but a smaller staff that puts in the extra effort before a game can really make things happen that a bigger staff may take for granted. Smaller staffs also tend to get creative to get results where as a larger staff may be on the lazy side thinking that they will be successful from the shear size of the staff and the little things that really bring satisfaction could get neglected.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Now you’ve said it - my many years of watching Tennessee football and talking with others who have watched it many years before me tells me Tennessee will NEVER splurge and hire a coach on the order of Saban, Meyer or Smart. Outside of arguably Johnny Majors (a hometown favorite) or (worse) Lane Kiffin, they never have.

I’m also reasonably confident in saying those types of coaches wouldn’t come to Tennessee anyway. I think they see it as a mid-tier SEC program where it’s harder to win than at Bama, Georgia, Florida, Texas or LSU (for example ). None of them came in all the coaching carousel we just went through. Smart didn’t express interest. Mullen quickly ditched us for Florida in 2017.

We just are who we are. I don’t think it’s changing. But we can still win titles.

We could've gotten Urban Meyer, the same way Florida did. Find the right coach at the right time. Never know who is gonna be the next Smart, Saban, Meyer. Majors was a national champion winning coach when he came back. He didn't work out like those guys, but who knows, maybe he would've won more titles than Fulmer had he not been fahr'd. . .In fact, we could've gotten Smart if we were in need of a coach a year sooner than UGA.

It may be hard for any school to get a coach like that after they've proven their value at this level. . . but by finding them at the right time, we could easily get coaches like those. . . we may actually have one on the sidelines right now.