Recruiting Football Talk VII

[JCP201]

Fulmer made a mistake hiring a OC that ran a spread offense.during that time it was new and unheard of in the sec because everyone was running a pro style offense.ultimately fulmer was on to something and we no idea.he just didn’t have the right personnel to run it efficiently and was 10+ years early on what would be considered a good hire with how college football has evolved today.

Dave clawson was fulmers kryptonite that got him fired also factoring in the underwhelming 08 recruiting class.the fanbase and top brass at UT was growing impatient and felt like he lost control entirely..if given another chance to make the correct hire to fit the roster/offensive scheme he knew at the time.I think he would still be here today.

this was all happening during a time Tennessee was coming up short each year to mark at Georgia.Florida was just getting started under Urban.once fulmer was fired our decline began.Florida took our spot in the east and it became a decade of back and forth between Georgia and Florida.the rest is history

We’re seeing the same historic events repeating itself with Florida currently on a rapid decline.it’s only a matter of time before josh bring us a natty assuming he’s being given the appropriate time.This is why as a fanbase sometimes we need to pause and reflect on how far we have come.Josh has given us far more results with less than any coach we’ve hired over the last 10+ years.

My only issue with josh is he doesn’t possess the same fire that fulmer had.this is why we’re getting zero respect from the officials/referees and the office in Birmingham.if he finds that within himself and fixes his game management snafoo’s we will be ok for a long time.


@LA Vol my friend I would love your insight on this correcting me on anything I may have said wrong.

I'm not LA VOL, but Fulmer had recruited two Heisman finalist quarterbacks (Bryce Petty and Tahj Boyd) That would probably have worked well for him, if given the chance.

 

[peaygolf]

What is the chart for? It can't be for Methiest Head Coach. because Peay would be #1!

some computer ranking for all 700+ schools............

 

[UTSuave’]

I'm not LA VOL, but Fulmer had recruited two Heisman finalist quarterbacks (Bryce Petty and Tahj Boyd) That would probably have worked well for him, if given the chance.

Boyd yes! Petty was a pro style im pretty positive

 

[mrMet]

Boyd yes! Petty was a pro style im pretty positive

He worked out well in the Art Briles offense tho

 

[Enki_Amenra]

A large staff may seem desirable at first, but a smaller staff that puts in the extra effort before a game can really make things happen that a bigger staff may take for granted. Smaller staffs also tend to get creative to get results where as a larger staff may be on the lazy side thinking that they will be successful from the shear size of the staff and the little things that really bring satisfaction could get neglected.

I agree. LSU's recruiting coordinator once said she loved working with a smaller staff that has a wide range instead of a massive staff with a thin range and limp work ethic.

 

[screenthis]

Now you’ve said it - my many years of watching Tennessee football and talking with others who have watched it many years before me tells me Tennessee will NEVER splurge and hire a coach on the order of Saban, Meyer or Smart. Outside of arguably Johnny Majors (a hometown favorite) or (worse) Lane Kiffin, they never have.

I’m also reasonably confident in saying those types of coaches wouldn’t come to Tennessee anyway. I think they see it as a mid-tier SEC program where it’s harder to win than at Bama, Georgia, Florida, Texas or LSU (for example ). None of them came in all the coaching carousel we just went through. Smart didn’t express interest. Mullen quickly ditched us for Florida in 2017.

We just are who we are. I don’t think it’s changing. But we can still win titles.

I can see that but I'm hoping that is changing. If Heup has a strong run, that makes us more desirable. As Nashville grows, recruiting in state improves (though really, we recruit well outside of the borders). And, we do have a good deal of resources. Long story short, I hope that's wrong going forward.

 

[butchna]

Boyd yes! Petty was a pro style im pretty positive

Ran Briles version of the Veer and shoot.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

 

[UTSuave’]

He worked out well in the Art Briles offense tho

Art’s style was more passing…I think clawson’s was more of a run first offense i could be wrong…I try not to remember much from that year.offense was horrible I remembered that much

 

[Volnut]

I wonder if they will throw mustard containers?

 

[LA Vol]

Fulmer made a mistake hiring a OC that ran a spread offense.during that time it was new and unheard of in the sec because everyone was running a pro style offense.in reality fulmer was on to something and we no idea.he just didn’t have the right personnel to run it efficiently,he was also 10+ years early on what would be considered a good hire with how college football has evolved today.

Dave clawson was ultimately fulmers kryptonite that got him fired also factoring in the underwhelming 08 recruiting class.the fanbase and top brass at UT was growing impatient and felt like he lost control entirely..if given another chance to make the correct hire to fit the roster/offensive scheme he knew at the time.I think he would still be here today.

this was all happening during a time Tennessee was coming up short each year to mark at Georgia.Florida was just getting started under Urban.once fulmer was fired our decline began.Florida took our spot in the east and it became a decade of back and forth between Georgia and Florida.the rest is history.We’re currently seeing the same historic events repeating itself with Florida currently on a rapid decline.it’s only a matter of time before josh bring us a natty assuming he’s being given the appropriate time.

as a fanbase sometimes we need to pause and reflect on how far we have come.Josh has given us far more results with less than any coach we’ve hired over the last 10+ years.My only issue with josh is he doesn’t possess the same fire that fulmer had on the sideline.this is why we’re getting zero respect from the officials/referees and the office in Birmingham.if he finds that within himself and fixes his game management snafoo’s we will be ok for a long time.


@LA Vol my friend I would love your insight on this correcting me on anything I may have said wrong.

I think Fulmer got complacent and out of touch with what was happening around him. Hamilton had a grand vision and thought UT could benefit from a young coach who could bring swag to the program, energize the fanbase and boost donations. He backchanneled a deal with Kiffin, who promised to put together a dream staff that would make UT the “It” program. It was handled very poorly, but most of the damage could have been contained if Hamilton hadn’t gifted Kiffin a too-favorable contract, then doubled-down on misjudgments with Dooley. UT authored its own downfall.

But… history does repeat itself, and with resources come opportunities. Power programs cycle up and down, and those upcycling now won’t have advantages forever. CJH was a good hire. I think he has room to grow and hope he can continue to do that. I also think there’s a fine line between stability and stagnant. Change can be positive, and fresh insights might help. You don’t have to overhaul everything to evolve—we’ve already learned that lesson. Just fix what needs fixing and avoid becoming too insular.

 

[KB5252]

His buyout is guaranteed, not offset. TAMU has to pay him the full amount no matter if he gets another job or not.

Jimbo needs to adopt me and give me an allowance.

 

[butchna]

Art’s style was more passing…I think clawson’s was more of a run first offense i could be wrong…I try not to remember much from that year.offense was horrible I remembered that much

Common misconception. Heavy run ratio with Briles offense. I don’t claim to understand Clawson’s.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I miss @MetalVolunteer drive bys

 

[KB5252]

Find a way to beat this s***.

Hike your leg and piss on them!

 

[jave36]

I think Fulmer got complacent and out of touch with what was happening around him. Hamilton had a grand vision and thought UT could benefit from a young coach who could bring swag to the program, energize the fanbase and boost donations. He backchanneled a deal with Kiffin, who promised to put together a dream staff that would make UT the “It” program. It was handled very poorly, but most of the damage could have been contained if Hamilton hadn’t gifted Kiffin a too-favorable contract, then doubled-down on misjudgments with Dooley. UT authored its own downfall.

But… history does repeat itself, and with resources come opportunities. Power programs cycle up and down, and those upcycling now won’t have advantages forever. CJH was a good hire. I think he has room to grow and hope he can continue to do that. I also think there’s a fine line between stability and stagnant. Change can be positive, and fresh insights might help. You don’t have to overhaul everything to evolve—we’ve already learned that lesson. Just fix what needs fixing and avoid getting too insular.

Honestly, if Kiffin hadn't jumped to usc and didn't get us in big trouble with the NCAA (ya right), he might have fulfilled that vision. Hamilton wasn't crazy in that particular instance I don't think. He was probably wrong, but we have the benefit of hindsight.

 

[therickbol]

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Texas A&M is over here running a clinic on how to waste talent and resources. They are like one of these African countries that has a wealth of important natural resources but the people live in straw huts and have to drink contaminated water with no access to health care. Gold star Texas A&M!

 

[KB5252]

Confirmed Lanning doesn’t want that SEC smoke. Oregon is a baller job anyway but still.

Oh........... He gone then!

 

[SmokinBob]

They know something I don't. Probably why they didn't call me to get the OK.

Did you click the article?

 

[therickbol]

Fanatics was running a special on the Dobbs Nike home jersey, got it for under $100, but will probably take 3 weeks to get here lol. They are flying off the shelves.

Money wasted. He will be on another team in 3 weeks.

 

[SmokinBob]

And lo, the meltdowns shall commence. Yeesh. I am not sure I like this myself.

 

[UTSuave’]

I think Fulmer got complacent and out of touch with what was happening around him. Hamilton had a grand vision and thought UT could benefit from a young coach who could bring swag to the program, energize the fanbase and boost donations. He backchanneled a deal with Kiffin, who promised to put together a dream staff that would make UT the “It” program. It was handled very poorly, but most of the damage could have been contained if Hamilton hadn’t gifted Kiffin a too-favorable contract, then doubled-down on misjudgments with Dooley. UT authored its own downfall.

But… history does repeat itself, and with resources come opportunities. Power programs cycle up and down, and those upcycling now won’t have advantages forever. CJH was a good hire. I think he has room to grow and hope he can continue to do that. I also think there’s a fine line between stability and stagnant. Change can be positive, and fresh insights might help. You don’t have to overhaul everything to evolve—we’ve already learned that lesson. Just fix what needs fixing and avoid becoming too insular.

In kiffins defense..the staff was legendary compared to what we were use to in the past..in my opinion but all things said are true..I’m hopeful

 

[UTSuave’]

Common misconception. Heavy run ratio with Briles offense. I don’t claim to understand Clawson’s.

fair point

 

[LA Vol]

Honestly, if Kiffin hadn't jumped to usc and didn't get us in big trouble with the NCAA (ya right), he might have fulfilled that vision. Hamilton wasn't crazy in that particular instance I don't think. He was probably wrong, but we have the benefit of hindsight.

Kiffin admits he was immature, but he was always going to SC if offered. His contract just made it easy. Still, UT could have righted the ship quickly. IDT Hamilton was wrong about everything, but he did not handle any of it well. Hiring Dooley because he brought a big binder full of ideas and his daddy was an SEC legend kneecapped the program.

 

[knoxvol52]

Watch our #7 ranked Tennessee Vols host the Woffird Terriers at 6:30 p.m. on ESPN+ tonight.....5:30 p.m. for people living in that weird time Zone..