Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Glitch]

 

[TheBigOne10]

Ma'am....blink twice if you are being held against your will. We will get help.

 

[Glitch]

Golesh needs a new dc and players

Golesh need to come back to UT and be the OC again

 

[Jackcrevol]

It's almost like there is some type of mathematical basis that if you target a lot of Top 100 players, you're going to miss out on a higher percentage of them.

Like the Cliff Hangers PIR game - math, on a sliding scale trying to guess where the price is within a wide margin, math?

Recruiting is fluid. Math is finite.

 

[knoxvol52]

Why did Randy Moss go to Marshall? Was he not that big of a prospect or something?

He got In trouble at Notre Dame, that's why he ended up at Marshall....believe he committed to another school also FSU I believe @butchna can tell you...

 

[Jackcrevol]

Golesh need to come back to UT and be the OC again

Dont...I just cant

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Why did Randy Moss go to Marshall? Was he not that big of a prospect or something?

That was. . . interesting. . . I forgot about it, or never even knew. . .

"Moss's dream was to play for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish,[21] but he also considered going to Ohio State, where his half-brother, Eric, had played offensive tackle. Former Notre Dame head coach Lou Holtz said "Randy Moss was the best high school football player I've ever seen."[22] Florida State head coach Bobby Bowden said "He was as good as Deion Sanders. Deion's my measuring stick for athletic ability, and this kid was just a bigger Deion."[23]

After originally signing a letter of intent to play college football with Notre Dame in 1995, Moss took part in a racially charged fight at his high school that left one person hospitalized.[24] On March 23, 1995, Moss had backed a friend in a hallway fight against a white student who had allegedly used racist comments towards Randy's friend.[23] Moss was initially charged with a felony for kicking the student, but it was later reduced to a misdemeanor. On August 1, 1995, Moss pleaded guilty to two counts of misdemeanor battery and was sentenced to 30 days behind bars at the South-Central Regional Jail in Charleston, West Virginia. He served 3 days in jail starting that night and would be required to serve the remaining 27 days within the following 18 months, after he completed his freshman year in college.[25] Moss was expelled from DuPont and completed his education at Cabell Alternative School.[24]

Notre Dame subsequently denied his enrollment application, but this did not stop another high-profile college football program from giving him a chance. Notre Dame officials suggested he attend Florida State due to the reputation of its coach, Bobby Bowden, for handling troubled players.[26]

Freshman (1995)edit​

Because of his signed letter of intent at Notre Dame, the NCAA considered him a transfer student to Florida State,[27] so he had to redshirt the 1995 football season.[28]

Redshirt freshman season (1996)edit​

In 1996, while serving his 30-day jail sentence in a work-release program from 1995, Moss tested positive for marijuana, thus violating his probation, and was dismissed from Florida State.[29] He served an additional 60 days in jail for the probation violation.[30]

Ultimately, Moss transferred to Marshall University, about an hour's drive from his home. Because Marshall was then a Division I-AA school, NCAA rules allowed him to transfer there without losing any further eligibility.[31]"

 

[Glitch]

it's been less than ideal. we need players.

This is the kind of hard hitting analysis that we keep you around for Jack. Gosh diddly if you aren't right!

 

[VolGee4]

Why did Randy Moss go to Marshall? Was he not that big of a prospect or something?

Best player in West Virginia and was heavily recruited. He signed with Notre Dame but had some legal trouble in his high school senior year. Notre Dame wouldn’t accept him, and he transferred to Florida State. He got kicked out of FSU, and he then transferred to Marshall, which was 1-AA at the time.

 

[Jack Burton]

UT +9.5
I'd take it, but I don't like betting games like this one.

($ poured in on UGA & the spread, but the line moved the opposite direction)

I wouldn’t touch it. UGA can beat us by 3+ TDs if they want to.

 

[mrMet]

UT +9.5
I'd take it, but I don't like betting games like this one.

($ poured in on UGA & the spread, but the line moved the opposite direction)

I am doing a reverse jinx this week. Last time I bet AGAINST the Vols was SC +11.5. Everybody, thank me later when the Vols do it

Last time I bet FOR the vols was last week…

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

And that only barely begins to tell the true story of how completely flagrant and constant the rigged officiating has been. It really minimizes what has happened. One has to examine the games.

It is not the calls, that's what the blind fools do not and will not understand because they DO NOT want to believe it, they would rather cling to their little fair play fantasy than acknowledge the truth..it is the no-calls...the monumental ridiculous amount of holding and assaulting of our players with absolute impunity that is killing us.

 

[Devo182]

Your posts seem condescending.

Eh?!

We're about to rock the piss out of them and they can't see it coming. This is our USCjr game in reverse, coming off an awful loss...opponent coming in riding high without a worry expecting us to roll over.

They're about to learn.

 

[Jack Burton]

Why did Randy Moss go to Marshall? Was he not that big of a prospect or something?

He was highly recruited. Hubbs tells stories of his visit to UT. It was over winter, I think, and they asked Moss what he wanted to do. He said “go swimming” so they opened the aquatic center and he jumped off the high dive for hours.

 

[Orangeburst]

Go Mocs!

 

[Glitch]

I'm not sure if its NIL, assertiveness by coaching staff (pushing for commits), or not a wide enough net. But whatver it is its a knock, this staff has good recruiters. TN is a great program. All the tools are there. There is no excuse they gotta get it figured out.

Too often we get the visit, kids have a blast, then look for any reason not to come here, its strange.

I am beginning to think your may be putting off really strong commie vibes and these wholesome liberty and freedom loving young 'Mericans can sense it. We may have to vote you off the island.

@Weezer...thoughts?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

we only have the ball for 24 minutes a game as well….. that has to be a strain on the defense.

...that is not what is the problem...it is the crooks you ALWAYS defend

 

[Vol423]

UT +9.5
I'd take it, but I don't like betting games like this one.

($ poured in on UGA & the spread, but the line moved the opposite direction)

Congrats! That fact is likely going to save you some money today.

 

[Glitch]

Probably get the dumpster here, but Butch Jones did recruit pretty good ...but couldn't coach worth a damn in game ...

He recruited a lot of paper tigers. He fell bass ackwards into some good players, but he recruited based on the recruiting site rankings and sheer numbers got his classes ranked higher than they otherwise would have been.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Weird helmets. . .

 

[Devo182]

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Folks at work were talking about Dobbs yesterday and about how he worked for NASA and was an aeronaut.

I really wanted to poke my head in and ask them if they what insanely good college he went to in order to do all of these amazing things

 

[Devo182]

He recruited a lot of paper tigers. He fell bass ackwards into some good players, but he recruited based on the recruiting site rankings and sheer numbers got his classes ranked higher than they otherwise would have been.

Some truth here. I do believe he did get in some legit talent that can't be denied (Barnett, Dobbs, JJ, AK, Hurd, Malone, etc) that led to very talented teams in 2015, 2016.

That said even VQ said (beginning with the 2017 class) that he had a bunch of "paper 4*s". Funny thing is all those kids VQ was referring to were only 4*s on one site...take a wild guess which

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think its possible. I dont its going to change. And, me getting all
up in arms about it will change anything.

No one asked you to. Some defend it as just bad officiating. Some ridicule people for pointing the obvious bias out. Some defend it. If more would acknowledge it it becomes harder for them to hide it.

The media never covered Saban buying players but they all knew he did it. It was obvious when Saban was complaining about NIL and he made the claim that they didn't pay players. The whole room erupted in laughter.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

That was. . . interesting. . . I forgot about it, or never even knew. . .

"Moss's dream was to play for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish,[21] but he also considered going to Ohio State, where his half-brother, Eric, had played offensive tackle. Former Notre Dame head coach Lou Holtz said "Randy Moss was the best high school football player I've ever seen."[22] Florida State head coach Bobby Bowden said "He was as good as Deion Sanders. Deion's my measuring stick for athletic ability, and this kid was just a bigger Deion."[23]

After originally signing a letter of intent to play college football with Notre Dame in 1995, Moss took part in a racially charged fight at his high school that left one person hospitalized.[24] On March 23, 1995, Moss had backed a friend in a hallway fight against a white student who had allegedly used racist comments towards Randy's friend.[23] Moss was initially charged with a felony for kicking the student, but it was later reduced to a misdemeanor. On August 1, 1995, Moss pleaded guilty to two counts of misdemeanor battery and was sentenced to 30 days behind bars at the South-Central Regional Jail in Charleston, West Virginia. He served 3 days in jail starting that night and would be required to serve the remaining 27 days within the following 18 months, after he completed his freshman year in college.[25] Moss was expelled from DuPont and completed his education at Cabell Alternative School.[24]

Notre Dame subsequently denied his enrollment application, but this did not stop another high-profile college football program from giving him a chance. Notre Dame officials suggested he attend Florida State due to the reputation of its coach, Bobby Bowden, for handling troubled players.[26]

Freshman (1995)edit​

Because of his signed letter of intent at Notre Dame, the NCAA considered him a transfer student to Florida State,[27] so he had to redshirt the 1995 football season.[28]

Redshirt freshman season (1996)edit​

In 1996, while serving his 30-day jail sentence in a work-release program from 1995, Moss tested positive for marijuana, thus violating his probation, and was dismissed from Florida State.[29] He served an additional 60 days in jail for the probation violation.[30]

Ultimately, Moss transferred to Marshall University, about an hour's drive from his home. Because Marshall was then a Division I-AA school, NCAA rules allowed him to transfer there without losing any further eligibility.[31]"

Watch the 30 for 30 'Rand University' on ESPN. It was one of the best episodes I've seen

 

[volbeast33]

...that is not what is the problem...it is the crooks you ALWAYS defend

Are we allowed to discuss anything football related that doesn’t involve the refs?