Recruiting Football Talk VII

[highspeed]

I miss the days when NSD was like Christmas.

 

[volbeast33]

PWO

you can drop the P

 

[Big Orange#1]

Swain said “I have one eyebrow raised looking at our recruiting right now, but it’s too early to freak out. If it doesnt get better from now until signing day there’s a problem.”

Paraphrasing. Listening at work so I can’t transcribe it all

Oh no we have two 5 stars and the best average quality class since the 90’s what are we going to do

 

[Christian Lowe]

Are you equally irked by the nfl model?

I don’t watch the NFL for a reason, and I think trying to make college football into an NFL-lite model is a mistake that cannot be undone.

 

[Christian Lowe]

Oh no we have two 5 stars and the best average quality class since the 90’s what are we going to do

And still dead center middle of the pack in the conference. That’s his point. It’s good, but it’s not good enough.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

Its not realistic to expect this staff to recruit on par with Georgia and Alabama. Both coaches have multiple recent national titles to point to.

Other than those two teams, the differences in TN's class and the other top classes are negligible. Going to have to win a championship on the field first to get into that top tier of recruiting.

This staff's level of recruiting is good enough for a 10-2 type season, which is sufficient to get TN into the 12 team playoff.

 

[screenthis]

I don’t watch the NFL for a reason, and I think trying to make college football into an NFL-lite model is a mistake that cannot be undone.

Agreed. If going that route, just create a G League like with the NBA. No interest in School? Go to the G League.

 

[Aesius]

I miss the days when NSD was like Christmas.

NSD 2015 and 2016 were absolutely epic. Butch had a lot of flaws as a head coach, but he knocked those out of the park.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

What happens when you eat aluminum foil?

You sheet metal.

 

[franklinpence]

I I thank God, my family, and all my fans on social media for the opportunity I have


with that being said, I’m bringing my talents and my family and committing to Knoxville Tennessee.

Respect my decision

Nice!! Congrats, man!!

 

[knoxvol52]

Agreed. If going that route, just create a G League like with the NBA. No interest in School? Go to the G League.

Totally agree, some kids College doesn't interest them...

Be so glad when NBA let's high school Seniors go straight to draft as in previous years....

You can tell they have no desire to play, this 1and done is for the birds....

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

what's the back story here on why he wanted to leave/ Why the Staff didn't fight to keep him?

 

[jave36]

I don’t watch the NFL for a reason, and I think trying to make college football into an NFL-lite model is a mistake that cannot be undone.

I seriously doubt the reason you don't watch the nfl is because you don't like their playoff system.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

I seriously doubt the reason you don't watch the nfl is because you don't like their playoff system.

The Playoff system in the NFL makes the regular season much less exciting than the regular season has been in College.

 

[MarcoVol]

I don’t watch the NFL for a reason, and I think trying to make college football into an NFL-lite model is a mistake that cannot be undone.

FCS playoffs are sweet

 

[DD4ME]

He didn’t say it’s bad. It’s certainly better than our 5-7 classes. But that wasn’t his argument.

I think the next 2 years of Nico will make or break all of the Heup Hype. If our 8 million dollar guy has a failure to launch then the recruiting will follow. If he does, then Josh's job gets a lot easier on the trail. Joe's play set us back this cycle imo. We lost the juice we had under Hendon last year. You can clearly see it in the early success versus late misses.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

what's the back story here on why he wanted to leave/ Why the Staff didn't fight to keep him?

Didn’t put in the effort to be good enough to play. This comes from multiple people. Being a starter at OL in the SEC was down his priority list.

 

[Tri-CitiesVol]

Typical union. A well managed union would help with some of the issues (while probably creating others).

Out of curiosity, is the pay so bad that people don't want to join the industry? I was under the impression it was a solid 6 figure job, so I'm surprised more people aren't flocking to that industry.

I think the pay is still solid, at least for mid level facilities and higher. Raises just haven’t kept up with inflation and our locality pay is remaining the same despite the big boom in housing costs in recent years.

Tens of thousands apply each year, but the training academy can only accommodate a fraction of that. Then training success rates from the academy through certification at your initial facility is probably something like 65%, which is hardly enough to offset retirements and medical disqualifications.

 

[DD4ME]

And still dead center middle of the pack in the conference. That’s his point. It’s good, but it’s not good enough.

He must have been reading VN for content. This forum could have written his narrative. I have one eyebrow raised at how so many people make a living off of telling us very little that we don't already know.

 

[jave36]

The Playoff system in the NFL makes the regular season much less exciting than the regular season has been in College.

And yet nobody has ever complained that a super bowl contender got left out. 16 games vs 12 is the main reason the excitement level is lower in the regular season, not their playoff system.

Also a ton of repeat games make it less exciting.

And many fewer teams.

I'd argue the playoff system is fairly far down the list of reasons why the nfl regular season is less exciting.

 

[Jackcrevol]

cool.

 

[jave36]

I think the pay is still solid, at least for mid level facilities and higher. Raises just haven’t kept up with inflation and our locality pay is remaining the same despite the big boom in housing costs in recent years.

Tens of thousands apply each year, but the training academy can only accommodate a fraction of that. Then training success rates from the academy through certification at your initial facility is probably something like 65%, which is hardly enough to offset retirements and medical disqualifications.

Interesting, thanks.

 

[SugarCC]

Of course recruits want to win. But there's a pretty simple formula:

If you are currently winning: "Hey look at all the winning we are doing, come be a part of it."

If you are not currently winning: "Think about all the winning we would be doing if you were here".

And here's the thing. I don't follow recruiting year round. I barely keep up with it. But sometimes I see people panicking. Sometimes I see people excited. Sometimes we are winning. Sometimes we are losing. But when I look at the rankings for the last 20 years... We are always in right around the same spot. At least in years where we didn't fire a coach. So I'm skeptical of anyone who says "Recruits will come if the message is XYZ". I don't think the message is all that important. I certainly don't think a mid tier bowl win changes anything.

Beyond that I'm with you. It's kind of ****** to say one of the 13 games we get every year doesn't mean anything. Because it means something to most of the players for sure. But roster management has NEVER been more important than it is now. 1. Appeasing young players with playing time. 2. Getting game experience to accelerate the development of your roster. 3. Seeing where your holes are that you might be able to fill in the Spring. All of these are more important than winning a mid-tier bowl game. Imo

I don't necessarily disagree with you, at all. Mid-tier Bowls, their importance or non-importance, playing for the future. I get it. I'm just saying, right now, at this juncture, THIS bowl is important to us, winning it or losing it. Any other time, in the future, and we're back on true, solid ground, and I'd agree without a doubt.

 

[Christian Lowe]

I seriously doubt the reason you don't watch the nfl is because you don't like their playoff system.

It is. It makes the regular season kind of meaningless.