Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'm not sure if serious, but no he played early in the season and had a season ending injury. I was referencing when he was playing earlier in the year because he was mentioned in the post I was responding to.

He is a freshman...still processing instead of reacting.

 

[Weezer]

I don't see WR as a "need" so much as a luxury pickup. OL is a need IMO. Especially an OG who can start opposite of Spraggins. DB is a "need" because of how many we had enter the portal. Need to bolster the depth. I see young DL as a need simply because we'll need them after next season, but with McKinley off the board, there's not really anywhere to go. After that, any pickups seem more luxury than "needs".

 

[AAVFL]

No.

Nico has the mental capacity to run the offense to its fullest potential.

So you're saying every NFL quarterback doesn't have the mental capacity since they all play with comms? Having the ability for the coaches to talk to them in the helmet and send in the plays has nothing to do with qbs ability to runthe offense

 

[Orangeburst]

Only 2,642 “anticipation days” till the next game..yah.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I dont wanna start some ill fated bs rumor. But it did occur to me, that Nico isnt an idiot. Seems very ahead of his age. If you catch my drift. I would be very wary to make sure we are doing whatever we can to win at a high level. That's if he's here or not, but especially if you have that much invested in your QB. Assuredly everyone else in the Country would jump st chance for him to come there.

That means go get some damn OL.

Don't start stupid ...and you know damn well you're just trying to start stupid ...come on man..

That's some Ricky Bobby crap.."with all due respect"

 

[jakez4ut]

They set a valuation and are very confident in it. They seldom chase numbers higher and don't like to renegotiate. Kiffin does both, and maybe Baron and McDonald will be worth it for him. They weren't for UT.

that's why i think it's so interesting to watch what happened at aTm, Miami, UF with how they were were recruiting and landing these big names...and just a couple years down the road...bupkis.

what kiffin is doing is either really smart, or repeating what those schools did. i think it's smarter because you have some semblance of what you're getting as a college player and the players themselves have some experience with the whole experience to draw on.

still......if buying a roster was sure fired, the Yankees would win the series more times than not. and i still think chemistry and leadership on a football team matter, and while it's apparent you can manufacture a roster, i'm not sure you can manufacture the intangibles that sometimes wind up being the thing that puts a team over the top.

my sense is there's a lot of "grass is greener" going on, and ultimately they'll fall short of what will be expected of what i think will be a preseason top 5 OM team this coming season.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

UT coaches set a valuation and are very confident in it. They seldom chase numbers higher and don't like to renegotiate. Kiffin does both, and maybe Baron and McDonald will be worth it for him. They weren't for UT.

That’s what I don’t get by the brigade on here saying Ole miss is going “all in” lol… if Ole Miss is going “all in” they wouldn’t be paying McDonald whatever it is they are paying lol. Aside from Nolen and Baron who are good, guys like that Florida DE who routinely takes plays off and McDonald won’t move the needle for them on defense. Those are desperation moves because they have a talent deficiency on defense if they are taking guys like that.

 

[you]

They beat the #1 (Bama) and #6 (Texas) teams in the composite rankings.

Since the inception of the playoff, this will make it 33% of the time a team ranked #9 in the composite or worse has won a NC.

That doesn’t seem correct with the run of Bama, UGA, Clemson and Ohio State. Who won the natty with a recruiting class that low?

 

[Glitch]

Only 2,642 “anticipation days” till the next game..yah.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Don't start stupid ...and you know damn well you're just trying to start stupid ...come on man..

That's some Ricky Bobby crap.."with all due respect"

I assure you i'm not trying to start anything. Its something we need to be cognizant of in this day and time. Winners want to win. So, show the kid we are serious and get the best, and I believe we will.

AP is reporting we are going after the OT from LSU that just entered the portal.

Although I do appreciate a good UM callout

 

[mr.checkerboards]

So you're saying every NFL quarterback doesn't have the mental capacity since they all play with comms? Having the ability for the coaches to talk to them in the helmet and send in the plays has nothing to do with qbs ability to runthe offense

Thats not even close.

 

[jakez4ut]

That’s what I don’t get by the brigade on here saying Ole miss is going “all in” lol… if Ole Miss is going “all in” they wouldn’t be paying McDonald whatever it is they are paying lol. Aside from Nolen and Baron who are good, guys like that Florida DE who routinely takes plays off and McDonald won’t move the needle for them on defense. Those are desperation moves because they have a talent deficiency on defense if they are taking guys like that.

they're going "all in" on 2024. i'm not sure anyone seriously thinks what OM has done this off season is a sustainable way to run a program long term.

 

[Ace]

We win a bowl game over one of the better defenses in the country. Having completed the best 3 year stretch in the last 16 years and we have fans complaining because certain players did not play or the offensive line was not good enough.
Coaches played the players on defense that pitched a shutout and even scored a pick six.
OL helped produce a 130 yard RB.

I guess everyone has forgotten what a clown show this was under Pruitt. This staff has done an excellent job. Good grief - this is bordering on the miraculous playing in the SEC.

 

[you]

Yeah there’s 2 things they touched on that are absolutely not mutually exclusive.

1. Rb pass block (more about OL): Sampson sucks at pass block. However, I think the number one thing you have to do to be a good pass blocking rb is recognize correctly who the free rusher will be. Well that’s a heck of a lot harder when you can’t trust the point to win their battles. So yeah Sampson needs to make the block and not do it half as$ (needs to own the miss on screen play), but OL also needs to hold up their end on one v one and guess who absolutely ain’t doin that: Ollie Lane, Jackson Lampley, Dayne Davis. If any of those 3 were to be starting next year, the coaches should get every bit of criticism you can give them.

2. See point 1. Offensive line needs overhauling. The amount of drive killing penalties we gave up this year (false starts and holdings) is inexcusable. Need more talent there asap and it needs to happen through the portal bc freshman OL don’t cut it no matter how good they are (see Kaden proctor for bama this year - good enough to start, not good enough to start at the standard needed).

Bonus point: wrs are good, not great. Keyton played this season like he had nothing to prove. I don’t like that. Though Joe Milton was sometimes too cool for his britches, thought the same about keyton. They overshot the “do your job and don’t worry” thing but forgot to sometimes do the job. Coaches should be all over them for that. Need bru back for his leadership alone. And need someone to emerge like Hyatt did (besides bru or squirrel). Should be possible between Thornton, Brazzell, Leacock, nimrod, Webb, staes, davis, matthews, (maybe Stewart?). But it’s got to happen. If defenses shade to one side, the other side has to step up in the man coverage battle and make a play.

I disagree with point 2. There’s always an exception:

Trey Smith
Spraggins played well as a Freshman also.

Maybe one of our OL signees will be good on Day 1. I know it’s not the norm, but not as rare as people think also

 

[LA Vol]

Theoretically, Karic is supposed to be the guy at LG next year, which would give UT a veteran o-line without having to rely on the younger guys developing faster. But Karic was supposed to be the guy last year and was beat out by Ollie-- over and over and over again. He also has injury issues. So... an experienced LG seems like a play. Will be interesting to see who enters the portal between now and 1/13.

 

[Vol423]

that's why i think it's so interesting to watch what happened at aTm, Miami, UF with how they were were recruiting and landing these big names...and just a couple years down the road...bupkis.

what kiffin is doing is either really smart, or repeating what those schools did. i think it's smarter because you have some semblance of what you're getting as a college player and the players themselves have some experience with the whole experience to draw on.

still......if buying a roster was sure fired, the Yankees would win the series more times than not. and i still think chemistry and leadership on a football team matter, and while it's apparent you can manufacture a roster, i'm not sure you can manufacture the intangibles that sometimes wind up being the thing that puts a team over the top.

my sense is there's a lot of "grass is greener" going on, and ultimately they'll fall short of what will be expected of what i think will be a preseason top 5 OM team this coming season.

If Ole Miss is preseason Top 5 next year, then they'll be overrated.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

We just need Bru to say he's officially coming back and I think we will be really good to great at WR.

Keyton was good when he had dudes around him. He's average. Webb and Nimrod are average. Solid back ups, but they are essentially Jimmy Holiday and Walker Merrill.

Bru, Brazzell, Squirrel, Thornton, Leacock, Matthews and Stayley are all more talented than Nimrod, Keyton and Webb.

Will be a completely different room next year.

 

[MarcoVol]

That doesn’t seem correct with the run of Bama, UGA, Clemson and Ohio State. Who won the natty with a recruiting class that low?

9th year of playoffs. Clemson was #9 in composite rankings both times. This year will make it 33%.

 

[drylo]

UT coaches set a valuation and are very confident in it. They seldom chase numbers higher and don't like to renegotiate. Kiffin does both, and maybe Baron and McDonald will be worth it for him. They weren't for UT.

Lane likes the headline of “stealing” two transfers from UT. He probably spent two whole days admiring his clever tweets trolling Vol Twitter about it.

 

[MarcoVol]

Staley and Matthews and Brazzell.

We already have those guys. We need some dudes to stay for depth.

 

[orangejuice]

Theoretically, Karic is supposed to be the guy at LG, which would give UT a veteran o-line without having to rely on the younger guys developing faster. But Karic was supposed to be the guy last year and was beat out by Ollie-- over and over and over again. He also has injury issues. So... an experienced LG seems essential. Will be interesting to see who enters the portal between now and 1/13.

Does the staff already have an idea of who they are targeting / who they are expecting to go into the portal, or are we just in a holding pattern to see who goes in?

 

[Jackcrevol]

I don't see WR as a "need" so much as a luxury pickup. OL is a need IMO. Especially an OG who can start opposite of Spraggins. DB is a "need" because of how many we had enter the portal. Need to bolster the depth. I see young DL as a need simply because we'll need them after next season, but with McKinley off the board, there's not really anywhere to go. After that, any pickups seem more luxury than "needs".

We need big bodied trench players.

I agree with your opinion, despite it being shrouded with a Fascist aura

 

[Jackcrevol]

After getting smoked 35-0, Kittle should have to wear the UT gear all year.

Who in their right mind would have bet on Iowa?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Spencer Riley, VFL and National Champion Tennessee linemen has a different perspective about our OL than what most on VolNation are stating. The YouTube video is below.

I know many don't like Dave Hooker, but I like Spencer's assessment of the players. Spencer comes online at the 3:15 mark. I value Spencer's assessment given his experience as a player and coach.

He never even mentioned the fact that the OL was mostly backups yesterday.

 

[you]

If Ole Miss is preseason Top 5 next year, then they'll be overrated.

They return almost their entire starting offense