Recruiting Football Talk VII

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InVOLuntary said:
So A&M was.our best win?

Again, stats don't always tell the story.
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That wasn’t the question…. you asked what good offenses that we faced…. we were the only team to give up less than 20 points to them…. They scored 51 against Miss state and the defensive guru most people wanted.
 
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DD4ME said:
The best "win" was we held our opponents to less points DESPITE a lackluster offense. We even won a game purely on defense. People keep saying what game has he won us. They won us one, but it sucks apparently too bad to count. I would just be happy knowing we all clearly understand you do not like Banks.
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
The attitudes around here have proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt...we are the biggest bunch of dumbasses in the world of sports..
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I agree with this. There is still a latent expectation among some in our fanbase that with the right coaches, we will have a Bama-like run of dominance and the only thing holding us back are complacent fans and boosters/administrators lacking the will to “do what it takes.”

These fools don’t realize fanbases at USC, Ohio State, Miami, FSU, Florida, LSU, Texas, Penn State, Auburn and Texas A&M (just to name a few) all think the same thing, and worse - some of those programs are simply much better situated to replicate Bama’s success and coaches know that.

If you a coach evaluating the modern SEC, you have to get pretty far down the list before you find Tennessee - Bama, Georgia, Texas, Florida, Texas A&M and LSU all have a better in home talent footprint, and at worst equivalent facilities, fanbases and money. Auburn and Oklahoma also are in the mix.

Just enjoy the winning program you have.
 
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SSVol said:
So you think it is a strategy to get a top tier TE, but not any other top tier position group? That's a stretch. The far more logical explanation is that none of the top tiered players fit our recruiting profile.

I guess it depends on how you define great. To me great is consistently being in the discussion for winning the SEC or going to the playoffs. Great is no longer being the national punch line. Great is packing Neyland. Great is winning some big games. If that also includes winning a NC, fine, but I won't make that a gating item to my enjoyment.

I was in Tempe in '98. It was nice. But the pain of the years following was far greater than the joy of winning that one game, and I will never again make winning that game my focus. If I had to choose between the past we had (winning in '98 and then sucking for 2 decades) vs winning 9-11 games per year and never winning the championship, I would gladly take the latter. I probably would have chosen the NC when I was younger, but I have come to realize what makes me happier is consistent competence.
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Yes. I am not taking it for granted again. And figured out all my worrying, analyzing and planning are nothing but a waste of my time. It effects nothing but my happiness.

So now excited about our coach, our QB, our upgrade in talent, our New Year’s Day bowls, pitching a shutout in a bowl game, competing for the playoffs.

Not wasting time worrying about who needs to be fired, hired or bought. Will just cheer for who’s here come September.
 
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Checker_the_Shire said:
I didn’t read the images, but contracts would make them employees, no? So with that also comes things like health insurance, retirement benefits, etc. So in reality, allowing colleges to pay directly opens up a huge can of worms that I don’t think we as average fans will like. I mean you think tickets are expensive now, just wait.
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Most colleges already pay for health and there is no requirement afaik to provide retirement benefits to all employees.

On top of this:

1) Fans and boosters are already paying to fund the athletes via NiL. This is already happening!

2) This is a total misdirection. All the money is already there...it's just the admin and coaches making it. This is the big lie. Rosters in a free(ish) NFL market are valued at 25x+ the HC, for example. And yet in CFB it's FAR less basicly 1:1 or 2:1. I call BS. This scheme has been ran for decades, but it's transparently just that.


So...basically fans and boosters are paying athletes directly SO that admin and coaches can be overpaid vs a true market value where many of the value producers (players) actually get paid through the system.

Fans are already getting schemed up. The Unis (ADs, commissioners, coaches) wouldn't have it any other way.
 
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The Mincey news sucks. We down 2 linemen now. Gotta hope someone jumps in the portal that we like or force feed these young linemen.
 
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Devo182 said:
Most colleges already pay for health and there is no requirement afaik to provide retirement benefits to all employees.

On top of this:

1) Fans and boosters are already paying to fund the athletes via NiL. This is already happening!

2) This is a total misdirection. All the money is already there...it's just the admin and coaches making it. This is the big lie. Rosters in a free(ish) NFL market are valued at 25x+ the HC, for example. And yet in CFB it's FAR less basicly 1:1 or 2:1. I call BS. This scheme has been ran for decades, but it's transparently just that.


Soo...basically fans and boosters are paying athletes SO admin and coaches can be overpaid.
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Are you advocating for minor leagues that are not associated with colleges again?
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
This is 100% EXACTLY how I feel...three years ago I swore I would be thankful just to have a consistently good 8-9 win program that could at least compete for titles occasionally.

I will never understand people who lived through that nightmare just bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch...how in the hell do you not remember that pure hopelessness? I actually believed what LWS had been saying for the last 13 years...that Tennessee was done forever as a national power, that the program was utterly doomed....and then Josh took a team of rejects and busts, and miraculously created a NC level team out of it...I'll be damned if I bitch now.

Impatient ungrateful people f'n suck...🤬
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Amen. We won 20 games in the last 2 years, and there's good reason to think we'll be better next year than this year. 8-9 wins may be Heupel's floor, not his average but even if it is his average it's already clear he's twice the coach of anyone else we've had in the last 15 years of torture.

2022 earned him plenty of time. You have to go back to 2007 to find a non-Heupel coached Tennessee team with a record that's better than the 2023 record we're complaining about.
 
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