Recruiting Football Talk VII

[KptVFL]

I don't think he is great...I don't think he is horrible either

Same boat here.

Seriously though.... Have you seen one person on this site say that he is a great DC?

 

[SugarCC]

Wasn’t it Sean Ellis who dubbed him Cheese? He told reporters that Henry was harder than a block of welfare cheese.

It was a coach, if I'm not mistaken.

Henry was actually a Bama fan growing up. Alvin Harper was a huge influence on him going to UT, though. He loved watching Harper play.

 

[LA Vol]

CJH is an offensive minded HC, really believe he is fine with an adequate defense..
Theory my team will put up 40+ a game and I believe we hold you to 30 or less, which will work as long as Tennessee keeps recruiting the skill players on offense..

This. Plus CJH really doesn't want to tinker with staff.

 

[MarcoVol]

Sure it could be worse but it could much better. I've seen the same ish over and over and over. Rushing 3-4, sitting back in a soft zone giving up 3rd and 4th of 10, 20, 30 yards. Times where the DBs were 10 yards behind the sticks. Much of that isn't talent related.

If a coordinator needs superior talent, out talent the other team, to be successful, is he really all that good of a coach? Coach Heupel had similar talent levels on offense yet he's able to maximize that talent and get out of it. He's been here 3 seasons and the same keeps happening.

Confirming you don’t think Kirby Smart is a good defensive coach?

Also in what world has there been similar talent on D? We had a top 10 overall draft pick OT and 3 other draft picks on offense. Only 1 defensive player drafted.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Yeah passing defense is without question Banks' biggest issue. But I'm still not 100% sure if it's all Banks or if part of it is Willie. I get the vibe by watching how RG/Ekeler/BJM operate that Banks is more hands off than most DCs about positional philosophies.

Of course we also don't know if the bodies they had were better suited for Zone or if Heupel has a preference to that style of "bend but don't break" cause our offense needs to be able to run the ball and getting behind too fast because of big chunk plays (like happened at South Carolina in 22) really stalls the offensive play calling.


I've hated soft zone since 3rd down and Chavez though saw that BS lose games to Spurrier too many times.

When something isn't working, you change it up. He allows teams to keep doing what's working. If getting gutted, I'm doing something different. If I'm rushing 3 and dropping 8 and still getting abused, I'm changing it up. Banks has said they're going to have a defense that's aggressive. The defense is about as aggressive as postal clerks.

We were getting to the qb the first 2-3 games. I fully know that the refs started turning a blind eye to holding. In addition other teams started leaving an extra blocker in. Banks never changed things up. That was part of the reason our pass rush started to fall off. You've got 5 offensive lineman. If you leave another in to block, TE or RB, that means you have 6. If you rush 4 then 2 get double teamed. Makes it hard to get to the QB.

I heard Chavis speak one time. He said if they were leaving 5 in to block, he was sending 6. If they were leaving 6 in to block he was sending 7.

When I saw him give up a 4th and 30 or 40 to Will Levis at KY I just shook my head.

I know many give Willie grief on here. Those may be accurate but I'm not forming an opinion with this scheme.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

OL is about finding the guys that have the size you need (can't teach that) and the mindset you want (wherever you need me to play, I'll play).

Ollie Lane, Jackson Lampley, and Dayne Davis ya'll can have your harsh criticism of those guys (I do as well) but I respect the hell out of those young men for having the right mindset and playing wherever the need came up. If all the OL players had that mindset we would have won more than 9 games.

 

[Orange_Crush]

“Wow! What a play by Noah…uhh…

Noah…

Well, Noah-gonna try that one, I can tell you that much.”

Noah Kn... Noah K... Noah... NoOne gonna be saying that name in this booth.

Well, we're just seeing quality linebacker play across the board tonight. Let's just give credit where credit is due. Those line backers need no other commentary than that, Cotton.

...

And another great tackle by that linebacker corp.

 

[Weezer]

This staff searches for fit, not team. If a guy fits their parameters, they don't seem to place a lot of weight on where he comes from. Other schools have different strategies, like promising rival players more PT or NIL. Using peer-to-peer recruiting to make a player feel undervalued where he is works well on some guys.

Can we try this "peer-to-peer" recruiting on some good OL?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Confirming you don’t think Kirby Smart is a good defensive coach?

Maybe Kirby has the players to do it. Confirming you know nothing about football.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Same boat here.

Seriously though.... Have you seen one person on this site say that he is a great DC?

Absolutely nobody...that is one of the dumbest things that guy who says a LOT of dumb things has said.

 

[MarcoVol]

Maybe Kirby has the players to do it. Confirming you know nothing about football.

But you, who says we had the same talent on D as O, does. Is that why there were 4 draft picks on offense and 1 on defense? Bc the talent was equal on both sides of the ball?

And if Kirby is only doing it with talent, is he even a good defensive coach? Isn’t that the exact quota you’re measuring Banks against? Why does that not apply to other teams?

 

[SugarCC]

Anyone else getting this...?

 

[Weezer]

OL is about finding the guys that have the size you need (can't teach that) and the mindset you want (wherever you need me to play, I'll play).

Ollie Lane, Jackson Lampley, and Dayne Davis ya'll can have your harsh criticism of those guys (I do as well) but I respect the hell out of those young men for having the right mindset and playing wherever the need came up. If all the OL players had that mindset we would have won more than 9 games.

I'm still mad at Dayne Davis for sacking Nico.

 

[Weezer]

We only lose against UGA if we put up the same points as last year and allow the points we did this year. Think about that. That means we would have missed the SECCG, but been in discussion for playoff.

I just realized you have a huge man crush on Dayne Davis. DayneDavis4ME. Makes sense. No judgement.

 

[Orange_Crush]

When something isn't working, you change it up. He allows teams to keep doing what's working. If getting gutted, I'm doing something different. If I'm rushing 3 and dropping 8 and still getting abused, I'm changing it up. Banks has said they're going to have a defense that's aggressive. The defense is about as aggressive as postal clerks.

We were getting to the qb the first 2-3 games. I fully know that the refs started turning a blind eye to holding. In addition other teams started leaving an extra blocker in. Banks never changed things up. That was part of the reason our pass rush started to fall off. You've got 5 offensive lineman. If you leave another in to block, TE or RB, that means you have 6. If you rush 4 then 2 get double teamed. Makes it hard to get to the QB.

I heard Chavis speak one time. He said if they were leaving 5 in to block, he was sending 6. If they were leaving 6 in to block he was sending 7.

When I saw him give up a 4th and 30 or 40 to Will Levis at KY I just shook my head.

I know many give Willie grief on here. Those may be accurate but I'm not forming an opinion with this scheme.

Chavis out-talented people. He rarely had weakness to mask. Our coaches have to scheme around definite weaknesses. Sometimes in life, with the tools you're given, you just have to roll with "least-bad". I suspect there's been a lot of that.

When someone tells you, "this is our philosophy and what we want to do, and then they don't do it--either they're a liar, or they don't have the tools to do what they want. CJH says the philosophy on offense is to go fast. They really didn't do that last year. Was it because CJH is a liar, or because roster issues prevented him from doing what he wanted?

This staff has effectively had two classes (with NCAA shadow over recruiting). It may just be a matter of reserving judgment until some roster has flipped.

I'm not saying he's the best DC we could get, but I do believe now's not the time to make judgments.

 

[drvenner]

I rarely say this about a player who leaves.

I am saying it to Mincey.

Don't let it hit you.

 

[majinVol]

Could be wrong, but isn't he the only RB in school history to go top 5 in the NFL draft? He will definitely be the last.

George Cafego went number 1 overall

 

[Adam Sandler]

Would he be a nice rental? Their oline was trash this year but doesn’t mean they didn’t have some good players.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Coming soon to College Gameday:

Rece: “What an incredible journey it’s been for Noah Knaysayer…”

 

[InVOLuntary]

But you, who says we had the same talent on D as O, does. Is that why there were 4 draft picks on offense and 1 on defense? Bc the talent was equal on both sides of the ball?

And if Kirby is only doing it with talent, is he even a good defensive coach? Isn’t that the exact quota you’re measuring Banks against? Why does that not apply to other teams?

I don't know how good Kirby is as a coach for precisely that reason. He's never had to do more with less. Yall hung from Pruitts jewels when there was evidence he was terrible. Now he's coaching high school.

I'm going to try and make this as simple as possible. If you have a team that has a terrible running game, do you still run the ball every down? This team couldn't cover granny clampett but he still put them in unwinnable situations.


And for the life of me it baffles me how it's OK to blame the players but heaven forbid someone criticize the coach making $2mil.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Chavis out-talented people. He rarely had weakness to mask. Our coaches have to scheme around definite weaknesses. Sometimes in life, with the tools you're given, you just have to roll with "least-bad". I suspect there's been a lot of that.

When someone tells you, "this is our philosophy and what we want to do, and then they don't do it--either they're a liar, or they don't have the tools to do what they want. CJH says the philosophy on offense is to go fast. They really didn't do that last year. Was it because CJH is a liar, or because roster issues prevented him from doing what he wanted?

This staff has effectively had two classes (with NCAA shadow over recruiting). It may just be a matter of reserving judgment until some roster has flipped.

I'm not saying he's the best DC we could get, but I do believe now's not the time to make judgments.

Yeah, players suck coaches goooood!

So how many years does he need? 6,,7,8,10.

It's beyond lazy to continually blame lack of talent in this day in age.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

 

[MoCo_Vol]

When something isn't working, you change it up. He allows teams to keep doing what's working. If getting gutted, I'm doing something different. If I'm rushing 3 and dropping 8 and still getting abused, I'm changing it up. Banks has said they're going to have a defense that's aggressive. The defense is about as aggressive as postal clerks.

We were getting to the qb the first 2-3 games. I fully know that the refs started turning a blind eye to holding. In addition other teams started leaving an extra blocker in. Banks never changed things up. That was part of the reason our pass rush started to fall off. You've got 5 offensive lineman. If you leave another in to block, TE or RB, that means you have 6. If you rush 4 then 2 get double teamed. Makes it hard to get to the QB.

I heard Chavis speak one time. He said if they were leaving 5 in to block, he was sending 6. If they were leaving 6 in to block he was sending 7.

When I saw him give up a 4th and 30 or 40 to Will Levis at KY I just shook my head.

I know many give Willie grief on here. Those may be accurate but I'm not forming an opinion with this scheme.

Overall I agree with the in-game adjustments not being something Banks does well.

But I don't fully agree with the lack of aggressiveness.

Iowa - 5 sacks, 2 INTs, 1 FF, 1 TD, 5 TFLs
Vandy - 2 sacks, 4 TFLs
Georgia - 1 sack, 1 FF, 4 TFLs
Mizzou - 3 sacks, 1 INT, 6 TFLs
UConn - 1 sack, 2 INTs, 1 FF, 3 TDs, 8 TFLs
Kentucky - 1 sack, 3 TFLs
Bama - 4 sacks, 1 INT, 1 FF, 4 TFLs
Texas A&M - 2 sacks, 2 INTs, 6 TFLs
USC - 6 sacks, 1 INT, 1 TD, 6 TFLs
UTSA - 4 sacks, 2 INTs, 1 FF, 5 TFLs
Gators - 1 sack, 1 FF, 6 TFLs
Austin Peay - 7 sacks, 1 INT, 15 TFLs
Virginia - 4 sacks, 7 TFLs

at Gators = horrible showing and gave up 29 points to a BAD offense
at Bama = horrible 2nd half when Bama adjusted, gave up 34 points and 27 was all in the 2nd half.
at Kentucky = gave up 27 points and made Leary look elite offense had to win it
at Mizzou = strange game, defense only gave up 3 TDs but a ton of yards too
Georgia = got worked, plain and simple

Top 5 games in total yards given up by the defense and most points given up as well. 4 of the 5 were road games too.

Now one thing to point out because you play both sides of the ball. Kentucky is the ONLY game of those 5 bad performances where the offense scored 21 or more.

2 TDs scored against Gators
2 TDs scored against Bama and 0 points in the 2nd half
1 TD scored against Mizzou and 0 points in the 2nd half
1 TD scored against Georgia and 0 points in the 2nd half

We already run tempo and the defense plays a ton when things are going well, but if we're not scoring or moving the ball then it's a huge disaster.

 

[peaygolf]

January 5, 1971
Body of former world heavyweight boxing champion Charles "Sonny" Liston (40) is found by his wife Geraldine at their Las Vegas home; he had been dead for an estimated 6 days; foul play suspected

One of the most iconic boxing matches in history may have been rigged by the mob.

According to an in-depth piece from the Washington Times citing decades-old FBI documents, the Feds suspected that the 1964 fight between Muhammad Ali, then Cassius Clay, and Sonny Liston was rigged.

Clay won in a six-round bout after Liston retired due to a shoulder injury -- a fact that has since been questioned. Still, the fight was regarded as a seminal moment in boxing's history, and was named the fourth-greatest sports moment of the century by Sports Illustrated.

The FBI suspected that a mob connection, Ash Resnick, set up the fix. The paper cites the report, which published information provided by a gambler named Barnett Magids and his dealings with Resnick, the latter being known to have engaged in such dealings before.

Here's the most substantive FBI evidence, from a report in 1966 obtained by the Washington Times.

"On one occasion, Resnick introduced Magids to Sonny Liston at the Thunderbird, [one of the Las Vegas hotels organized crime controlled]," the memo states. "About a week before the Liston and Clay fight in Miami, Resnick called and invited Magids and his wife for two weeks in Florida on Resnick. Magids‘ wife was not interested in going, but Magids decided to go along, and Resnick was going to send him a ticket.
"Two or three days before the fight, Magids called Resnick at the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami to say he could not come," the memo states. "On this call, he asked Resnick who he liked in the fight, and Resnick said that Liston would knock Clay out in the second round. Resnick suggested he wait until just before the fight to place any bets because the odds may come down.
"At about noon on the day of the fight, [Magids] reached Resnick again by phone, and at this time, Resnick said for him to not make any bets, but just go watch the fight on pay TV and he would know why and that he could not talk further at that time.
"Magids did go see the fight on TV and immediately realized that Resnick knew that Liston was going to lose,” the document states. “A week later, there was an article in Sports Illustrated writing up Resnick as a big loser because of his backing of Liston. Later people 'in the know' in Las Vegas told Magids that Resnick and Liston both reportedly made over $1 million betting against Liston on the fight and that the magazine article was a cover for this."

Organizers of the rematch settled on the unlikely locale of Lewiston, Maine, but the fight itself only led to more controversy. The atmosphere of tension and violence surrounding the event was blamed for a paltry crowd of some 2500 fans at Maine’s first (and last) heavyweight championship match, and when Liston collapsed midway through round one, almost no one saw the blow that put him there; the clout that decided the contest would soon come to be known as “The Phantom Punch.”

With Liston on the canvas, Ali shouted at him to rise before circling the ring in a manic victory dance. Referee Jersey Joe Walcott, preoccupied with trying to corral Ali, failed to communicate with the timekeeper and thus never administered a count. A seemingly disoriented Liston climbed to his knees but then collapsed again, before eventually getting to his feet and attempting to resume the fight. Walcott was then informed that Liston had indeed been on the canvas for more than ten seconds and he finally halted the match and declared Ali the winner.

Was his death due to these "fixed" fights??

 

[LA Vol]

OL is about finding the guys that have the size you need (can't teach that) and the mindset you want (wherever you need me to play, I'll play).

Ollie Lane, Jackson Lampley, and Dayne Davis ya'll can have your harsh criticism of those guys (I do as well) but I respect the hell out of those young men for having the right mindset and playing wherever the need came up. If all the OL players had that mindset we would have won more than 9 games.

True. They go after versatile guys they can move around to create depth we really don't have. That mindset is more likely to come from move-up guys. The top-tier guys move for $$. Bringing in a big money guy is going to precipitate new demands from current guys. You can't let Mincey walk because he wants to renegotiate a bigger deal then bring in somebody new for big money. Guys are going to try and leverage that and you're backed into a corner you don't want to be in.