Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Weezer]

Yes. Not because of them. Issues here and now. I’ll leave it on a doorstep for now.

Well, I tried to post the Joe picture here, but it got moved to the avi thread. I thought it was hilarious myself.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Where is Larry Bird on that list?

He's underappreciated IMO. His contemporaries would tell you they think he was one of the greatest. When he was on he was impossible to stop.

I love watching reaction videos of young men watching his highlight video. They’re amazed and usually come away with a comment about the NBA today lol.

 

[StoVol]

 

[COOKEVOL]

Weez, you and me may be long lost brothers...im the same way. Secret rooms, secret passages...and, yes, mine comes from Scooby-Doo, as well; but, Clue, the movie, had a lot to do with it, along with The Private Eyes with Don Knotts and Tim Conway.

Holy cow! Never thought I’d see Private Eyes referenced anywhere. @Weezer should find himself a nice Wookalar to settle down with.

 

[knoxvol52]

Why doesn't Tennessee have a gymnastics team?

 

[Orangeredblooded]

Well, I tried to post the Joe picture here, but it got moved to the avi thread. I thought it was hilarious myself.

You would (I can still post emojis and a few gifs, so win for me). How’s mom doing?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Bird is in nobody's top 5. But everyone's top 10.

Similar to Kobe, but he's a bit further back.

I don’t know the same people you do.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I can't watch this garbage...I grew up watching real basketball played with pure intensity at both ends of the floor.

Agree

 

[SweetasSoda]

Then you don't watch at all. That's fine. But you know not what you speak either.

The pro schemes, similar to football, has shifted towards offense. The schemes are far superior to the old days. Space and pace. Defenders are forced into either guarding very deep, 1-on-1s, or PnRs most of the time. Match that with THE greatest athletes from all around the globe, unlike 30-40+ years ago, and you get modern pro basketball. Not pounding it in slowly vs 3 other paint defenders. About as bad as running fullbacks behind multiple blockers into loaded boxes smh.

It's like folks saying nobody plays defense in football anymore because everyone's spread out...uptempo...there are tons of busted coverages. Some folks on the radio were saying how awful CFB playoff and bowl games were with all the wide open guys. They don't get how great the O schemes are these days that put pressure on every single defender. Only 1 or 2 teams each year are talented enough to really play elite level defense vs all of that.

They’re a bunch of wimps with a basketball. Unwatchable

 

[volbeast33]

 

[DD4ME]

My boy signed with the Army National Gaurd this week. He'll graduate in May. MOS 15T. Plan is to have it pay for college and provide a retirement.

 

[Weezer]

You would (I can still post emojis and a few gifs, so win for me). How’s mom doing?

Okay.

Hope thigs get better for you.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I can put up with a lot of crap in this forum. Not at all sure how much longer I can stand the GOAT basketball debate. Please stop

This is what happens when we can’t do AI posts! Someone tried to warn one of the complainers. Can’t remember who.

 

[peaygolf]

I can put up with a lot of crap in this forum. Not at all sure how much longer I can stand the GOAT basketball debate. Please stop

 

[COOKEVOL]

I can put up with a lot of crap in this forum. Not at all sure how much longer I can stand the GOAT basketball debate. Please stop

Calm yourself, Byron.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I get it’s too close in time and people beef with LeBron for various reasons, but dude is the best NBA player of all time. He consistently beat the best anyone could throw at him for two decades. It’s transcendent.

@Ulysees E. McGill can you explain about how LJ would have fared in the 80s?

 

[knoxvol52]

I can put up with a lot of crap in this forum. Not at all sure how much longer I can stand the GOAT basketball debate. Please stop

Okay well my granddaughter was watching gymnastics on T.V. and some young lady done a back flip with a twist dismount off of parallel bars and stuck the landing..

Amazingly she just received a 9.5.

 

[DD4ME]

My boy signed with the army national gaurd this week. He'll graduate in May. MOS 15T.

Not sure how I feel given where the world is now, but proud he's figuring out his path.

 

[85SugarVol]

Why doesn't Tennessee have a gymnastics team?

I dunno. But that’s something I could get behind.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

 

[Deathandtaxes]

Can we all agree that 70 points isn’t really 70 points anymore?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Then you don't watch at all. That's fine. But you know not what you speak either.

The pro schemes, similar to football, has shifted towards offense. The schemes are far superior to the old days. Space and pace. Defenders are forced into either guarding very deep, 1-on-1s, or PnRs most of the time. Match that with THE greatest athletes from all around the globe, unlike 30-40+ years ago, and you get modern pro basketball. Not pounding it in slowly vs 3 other paint defenders. About as bad as running fullbacks behind multiple blockers into loaded boxes smh.

It's like folks saying nobody plays defense in football anymore because everyone's spread out...uptempo...there are tons of busted coverages. Some folks on the radio were saying how awful CFB playoff and bowl games were with all the wide open guys. They don't get how great the O schemes are these days that put pressure on every single defender. Only 1 or 2 teams each year are talented enough to really play elite level defense vs all of that.

Dude...I was watching basketball way before you were a dirty thought in your daddy's head...it's NOT good basketball.

Whatever the f'n reasons, it f'n sucks donky ass...I'm sorry you have never seen real basketball.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

They were actually tryin to double team him and he was still gettin buckets. When you're good you're good.. 25 for 33 shooting. No matter what defense was played he was in the zone & gonna score.

Guess Kobe's 81 & Wilts "100" or multiple 60-70pt games was against great D back in the day that players now wouldnt score 10 on? Lol. Ppl are more talented & better offensively these days. You'll see another 80pt game soon. Would have tonight if Luke wanted to shoot more and not end up with 7assist and should of had more than that. Grant & the others missed several wide open shots he threw em.

It's f'n garbage

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

@Ulysees E. McGill can you explain about how LJ would have fared in the 80s?

First of all...first time Charles Oakley hit his wussy ass he would have laid on the floor and cried like the little floppy wussy baby he is.

 

[SugarCC]

His peak was elite. But short-lived, comparably.

Only 4 straight season 25 ppg+.

Just 6 seasons over .500 eFG%.

But at his top, yes he's definitely top 10 all-time, maybe higher. And that's a factor worth considering for sure. Everyone's career plays out differently.

This is the ONLY argument I'll listen to whenever talking about Bird's place, the shortness of his career. If someone doesn't want to put him top 5 because of his short career, that's very fair. Outside of that, save it...I don't waste my time on nonsense.

However, imo, it strengthens the argument of just how great he was. He played 13 seasons...about 6 or 7, maybe 8, of those were prime, him at the peak. He hurt his back in 1985, and he was really never the same, although he still went on to win another championship and MVP...it hampered him for the rest of his career, then the knees, then the Achilles. Three out of his last four seasons, he played in 6, 60, and 45 games. So, again, we're looking at a career that was only about 8 to 9 years of full strength, and that's counting his rookie and second seasons. Again, him at the peak of his powers is around 6,7, maybe 8 years. In that: 3 Championships, 3 MVPs (in a row), 2 Finals MVPs. Lost in the Finals 2 other seasons.

Point: if he could've gotten 9, 10 years of prime...hell, 12 to 13, like so many others...there's NO DEBATE. He wins another couple of championships and MVP's...and, yes, I'm very comfortable saying that, not a doubt whatsoever.

Also, can't look at his scoring like Jordan and others. Bird had others on his team that could score, he didn't have to every night like MJ; and, another point, can't look at fg % like today, defense is nowhere in the same ballpark today. I mean, can you imagine a Larry Bird that you couldn't put your hands on?!?!?

So, Bird's career has to be looked at in context...just a handful of years of elite...but, look what he did in those handful of years. If he could've had a 15 year career of good health...who knows what the accomplishments could have been.

One last point: those that want to talk about his defense, the "slow white boy"...they should get a clue. It's a myth. Bird was on the All NBA Defensive 2nd team three different times. While no, not the defensive player Jordan or Kobe were, he more than could hold his own.