Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Jackcrevol]

I’d like to bring analytics into this discussion:

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post of the day!

 

[tnhunter 10]

What about Head Coaches (KY, Ole Miss, OSU) coming out and saying their school needs a certain amount of $$$ to get players. Or Nebraska HC saying a QB costs a few million? NCAA should go after them as well.

 

[TheRain]

The lawsuit from Tennessee and Virginia, according to a release from the Skrmetti’s office, claims the NCAA is “violating federal antitrust laws with its anticompetitive restrictions on the ability of current and future student-athletes to benefit from their name, image, and likeness (NIL)” and claims those restrictions violate the Sherman Act and “harm current and future student-athletes”


“Student-athletes generate massive revenues for the NCAA, its members, and other constituents in the college sports industry — none of whom would dare accept such anticompetitive restrictions on their ability to negotiate their own rights,” the release states. “Student-athletes shouldn’t be left behind while everyone else profits from their achievements.”

 

[BigSteve09]

tl;dr: That's not true.

There is a clique of favorites who rely critically on NCAA favoritism. What they hate about the new era is that while they can still throw illegal bags, dodge investigations, and whatever else with complete impunity, their rivals can now counteract the clique's corrupt advantages via NIL, which is legal. What the clique wants is more NCAA laws and power, in order to retain and expand their corrupt advantage via unequal enforcement. Ultimately, they would like to cap NIL in some way in order that their old bag-game ways could put them over the top of the NIL caps with impunity, while their rival are restricted to the caps or subject to punishment. And their reputations for having top classes would stop being made less effectual through market forces like NIL and the portal, subjecting the favorites to rising parity. The small and mid-majors are more generally inclined to be pro-NCAA because of the continual expansion of the basketball and baseball tournament they run and include them in the gravy train. And they have some no little jealousy of the bigger teams, and feel somewhat gratified to see them attacked; the exception being the NCAA favorites before whom they play the suck-up. Finally, consider that the NCAA is compromised of school administrators: i.e., the schools themselves. And everyone who has been exposed to it knows how political administrations can be. Look sometimes at the members of the NCAA boards. Now if you want to say that fans of all teams, even the favorites, talk bad about the NCAA as it strikes them to do so, well that is different and misleading. You can compare this situation to corrupt conference officiating. More to the point, the current manipulated fan outcry that "something" has to be done is a sign that most fans repeat what they are told to repeat by the media and announcers. They are calling for more NCAA power and for punishments. They have been manipulated into believing that the old ways of the bag game and unequal enforcement were a kind of football Garden of Eden.

Bingo! Preach

 

[Jimmy Football]

I'll add this, I don't think Donde gives two mouse excrements what Sanke thinks. I don't think she's seeking the approval of anyone outside of the Tennessee family.

Aligned interests, in this case.

 

[KB5252]

The NCAA has been sniffing around UT for months. UT has looked into it internally and does not feel the university did anything wrong. This is a well-orchestrated campaign, months in the making. It comes from the top, there has been a top-notch legal team in place and there is widespread support, including our old friend in B'Ham.

Do you mean Sankey?

 

[LA Vol]

Even if we don't come out smelling 100% like roses I think this will be our rallying point. Onwards and upwards.

UT has investigated and doesn't feel the university acted improperly. Look at our marquee coaches-- you're not going to find a more respectable bunch than Heupel, Barnes, Tony V, KJH and Weekly. Despite the effort to paint Tony V as a renegade, these are all coaches who run their programs with integrity and class. Any school would be happy to go into court with them carrying the flag.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Even Jimmy Hyams is saying from what he is hearing the NCAA has picked the wrong fight.

Yeah but he’s thinking they are talking about violations when Kiffin was here.

Jimmy will report on this news in 2032.

 

[BigTimeVol95]

How many more states will join us…I love this I didn’t think we would file so soon!

For what it’s worth, the AG has been working on this for a few months now.

 

[KB5252]

This topic really is too big to really be discussed in an on-line forum..........It's a worthless rant

The NCAA screwed up years ago by not allowing student/athletes to make money and levying penalties for transferring.
They let up. Great.

But the way the NIL is set up now is just plain wrong. Athletes should be allowed to sell autographs, do TV commercials, work with a company to sell their jersey, etc...........That's what people wanted all along....not this.

Some sort of college football and basketball will be around. The vast majority will be non-scholarship..........but the non-revenue collegiate sports will be gone soon. THAT is a shame.



Need to remember...........this is what we fans wanted.

I tried to tell people this would end up having a very negative impact for women's athletics in particular and was laughed at.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

For what it’s worth, the AG has been working on this for a few months now.

I said in an earlier post and now I’m convinced that this is why Donde sent that letter. She knew we did nothing wrong and that the AG was about to drop this bomb. Man, I love it! Great day to be a Vol!

 

[InVOLuntary]

Is Charlie Baker the worst NCAA president of all time? The guy has lost every topic and is going to orchestrate the end of the NCAA.

That's what happens when you hire idiots. @Weezer would have been a better pick.

 

[DD4ME]

UT has investigated and doesn't feel the university acted improperly. Look at our marquee coaches-- you're not going to find a more respectable bunch than Heupel, Barnes, Tony V, KJH and Weekly. Despite the effort to paint Tony V as a renegade, these are all coaches who run their programs with integrity and class. Any school would be happy to go into court with them carrying the flag.

Let's sticky this and remind people now is the time to support your school and its collectives. The NCAA just kicked the NOWHERE doors open.

 

[Glitch]

The UT Admin, the Tennessee AG, and now multiple Tennessee State Legislators all standing up publicly about this "investigation" by the AA let's me know all I need to know. This will end poorly for the AA, as well it should. You don't see public figures going out on a limb unless they are reasonably sure that they are on a well supported limb that will not break on them.

 

[KB5252]

@VolsDoc81TX is gonna be pumped when he finds out about this in a few days!

And then Neyland Rising a few weeks later

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Might have missed it, but how is Virgina involved?

Probably due to JMU not being able to get into the New Years Six bowl.

 

[vol9799]

Project Torchbearer: activated.

Finally, after decades of capitulation! LEADERSHIP!

Based on your comments, how ironic is it that a baseball team that essentially did nothing wrong other than refuse to bow to the "traditions of behavior" might end up being the lightning rod that finally pushed the NCAA to pick a fight it cannot win. Because that's what this is.

They might have kept that team out of Omaha and extorted some of our money, but they're long-term toast. No politician or branch of government is going to protect a group (even part of the establishment) that has been exposed publicly to this degree. The NCAA will double down trying to intimidate schools into compliance, but that's all they have. The NCAA can't win the war on the merits of their position and our leadership knows it.

The only ones fighting for the NCAA are those that were controlling and benefiting from it. Now that some of the media isn't carrying their water and they cannot make everyone "fall in line" with their version of reality, they're screwed because they could never stand on their positions being "right" either morally or legally without all the talking heads and politicians providing cover!

 

[VolInDayton]

If Nicos private Jet didn't go to Epsteins Island, who cares!

 

[Orangeburst]

I love a good fight.

Nothing gets the blood flowing like it.

UT donation and Spyre donation just went up substantially.

NCAA better be careful, or Spyre just might be flush with awarded cash from a defamation lawsuit. Wouldnt that be pure irony?

 

[ConwayFitty]

Nowadays, NCAA wanna talk like they got something to say
But nothing comes out when they move their lips
Just a bunch of gibberish
And mother****s act like they forgot about Donde!

 

[InVOLuntary]

Aligned interests, in this case.

I think ol skanks is just picking the winning team.

 

[Glitch]

Love the response and it's DEAD-ON from a PR standpoint and absolutely the best message to prospective student athletes. We're going to fight for YOUR rights.

Now, it almost requires other schools/states to join us. Otherwise, we can say, "Look. We are going to court and fighting the NCAA legally to make sure that your rights as student athletes are protected. What is XXX school/state doing to help?"

 

[Kurtastrophe]

The NCAA is so dumb. So dumb.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Now, it almost requires other schools/states to join us. Otherwise, we can say, "Look. We are going to court and fighting the NCAA legally to make sure that your rights as student athletes are protected. What is XXX school/state doing to help?"

Did you attend XXX University?

 

[DD4ME]

Shane on fire right now.