Recruiting Football Talk VII

[TheRain]

 

[engineerVOL]

Random thought of the day... Is anyone else tired of the "Nico needs to put on more muscle and weight before we throw him out there behind this suspect O-line" talk? It's one thing to debate the merit of playing him due to his inexperience or lack of knowledge of the playbook, but since when did being skinny mean we can't put you out there?

I remember quite vividly when we put in Tyler Bray for the first time with an also suspect O-line. He was possibly even skinnier than Nico and he held up just fine if i recall. Another thing i remember about him vs Simms who was the current starter was that Bray got the ball out of his hands so much faster than Simms that our sacks taken numbers decreased drastically. Joe holds the ball we all know this. Is it not possible Nico could be a Bray like quarterback who gets the ball out quicker and has better presence in the pocket? Just something i was thinking about this morning.

disclaimer this is not me saying Nico should start vs Scar more so just tired of people making the stupid excuse you can't play skinny quarterbacks in the SEC.

Dobbs was a rail too when we threw him to the wolves second half against Bama.

 

[Glitch]

Well that’s just sad.

Twss.

 

[Glitch]

Ok, that's pretty good

 

[SpringBokVol]

Tennessee is last in the SEC in passing plays of 20 yards (9)​

A year after the Vols were No. 2 in the SEC and No. 19 nationally with 55 completions of 20 yards, they rank last in the SEC and No. 106 nationally. Even Florida has 12 completions of 20 yards. That’s not ideal.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So I think Hyatt was a far better WR than people realized/gave credit for, even on the deep shots we've taken I've not seen any of our WRs really beat their guy like Hyatt was constantly doing last season.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Sounds staged for publicity. Still chasing clicks.




And more proof it isn’t about football for Deion. Mid season and his team just got wrecked and he’s concerned with trademarking phrases - some of which have been around for a long time.

Yeah. I truly believe he cares for his guys. except his starting center who, when asked about him by his name had no idea who he was. . Deion didn’t know who they were talking about. But the all cameras on me all the time thing got old real quick.

 

[Weezer]

So I think Hyatt was a far better WR than people realized/gave credit for, even on the deep shots we've taken I've not seen any of our WRs really beat their guy like Hyatt was constantly doing last season.

I think Hyatt is a great WR. But I also think we're not calling plays like we did last year. Might be the new OC, though I thought Heupel was supposedly calling the plays, or maybe they are aware of the deficiencies of our OL and that is forcing them to call it different. I don't really know the reason, but it's different.

 

[Glitch]

Does vandy wear white at home?

Also, he didn’t predict the special helmet at florida.

They have to wear reflective yellow, because they play football in an active construction site.

 

[therickbol]

Spread still at Tennessee -12.5 one hour ago.....

Baseball analogy. Vegas does most of it's work hitting automatic singles and doubles off bad pitching with the Houston Astros tipping off pitches for them. They try to hit line drives into the gap over and over again. Then there are times where they know that they are about to get a hanging curveball and they try to hit a homerun every now and then. This looks to be one of those instances. Vegas is keeping the line where it is knowing that most of the money will come in on USCe because they are not looking to hit a single in the gap. They think this is an opportunity to hit a homerun. Let the public pour money into USCe. When you swing for the fences you will swing and miss at times. But Vegas is confident since they know what pitch is coming.

 

[OrangenSC]

I’m always optimistic, but don’t lose my sh!t when a loss occurs (not saying you do).

I prefer to view Tennessee sports with as much optimism as I can.

All the real life crap is fraught with realism, pessimism and worry. I use Tennessee sports as my escape. Probably why I have many on my ignore list, not because of their “realism “ , but because they can’t wait to dump negative thoughts regardless of the situation. Don’t have time for that crap.

14-1

My thoughts exactly. Except I keep waffling ignore list.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

LA Vol said it’s always been like that (since HD TV)

It always been like that at least since then 90's

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I think Hyatt is a great WR. But I also think we're not calling plays like we did last year. Might be the new OC, though I thought Heupel was supposedly calling the plays, or maybe they are aware of the deficiencies of our OL and that is forcing them to call it different. I don't really know the reason, but it's different.

It's never as simple as just one thing when it comes to something like play calling.

OL, Milton's lack of running, No clear "I'm going by you" deep threat like Hyatt, and a lack of accuracy when Milton does go deep


Milton has great arm talent, but his timing has never been great. And of all the things a QB can really do to separate themselves timing is king imo. It's why most the top NFL guys were able to play as long as they did (Brady, Peyton, Brees, etc.) they had timing, so even if they couldn't launch the ball 50+ in the air anymore it didn't matter.

Milton seems to always be late on lead the WR routes (crosses, slants, etc.) and that's the most timing driven route. Hendo hit those so much better and we'd see Hyatt snag in stride and his speed let him take a 7 yard slant to the endzone because of it.

 

[SpringBokVol]

So I think Hyatt was a far better WR than people realized/gave credit for, even on the deep shots we've taken I've not seen any of our WRs really beat their guy like Hyatt was constantly doing last season.

You don't just replace a Biletnikoff winner

 

[mrmax86]

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Random thought of the day... Is anyone else tired of the "Nico needs to put on more muscle and weight before we throw him out there behind this suspect O-line" talk? It's one thing to debate the merit of playing him due to his inexperience or lack of knowledge of the playbook, but since when did being skinny mean we can't put you out there?

I remember quite vividly when we put in Tyler Bray for the first time with an also suspect O-line. He was possibly even skinnier than Nico and he held up just fine if i recall. Another thing i remember about him vs Simms who was the current starter was that Bray got the ball out of his hands so much faster than Simms that our sacks taken numbers decreased drastically. Joe holds the ball we all know this. Is it not possible Nico could be a Bray like quarterback who gets the ball out quicker and has better presence in the pocket? Just something i was thinking about this morning.

disclaimer this is not me saying Nico should start vs Scar more so just tired of people making the stupid excuse you can't play skinny quarterbacks in the SEC.

I think the coaches made a plan with him and his family for his time here and they are bent on sticking to it.

 

[KptVFL]

I just don't know why Day would want to get into a pissing contest with someone who hasn't coached in what close to 30 years...doesn't make since be like me arguing with my 4 year old grandson...even though I'm rite he still isn't going to hush about it...

Cause he's sawft? All I've got.

 

[SpringBokVol]

It's never as simple as just one thing when it comes to something like play calling.

OL, Milton's lack of running, No clear "I'm going by you" deep threat like Hyatt, and a lack of accuracy when Milton does go deep


Milton has great arm talent, but his timing has never been great. And of all the things a QB can really do to separate themselves timing is king imo. It's why most the top NFL guys were able to play as long as they did (Brady, Peyton, Brees, etc.) they had timing, so even if they couldn't launch the ball 50+ in the air anymore it didn't matter.

Milton seems to always be late on lead the WR routes (crosses, slants, etc.) and that's the most timing driven route. Hendo hit those so much better and we'd see Hyatt snag in stride and his speed let him take a 7 yard slant to the endzone because of it.

I think you are on to something here.

Milton takes longer to see the play or window develop and relies on his arm strength to still make the throw late.

He does not have great anticipation - he needs to see it before he pulls the trigger. And for the most part his arm strength makes up for the timing differnce.

But if he could speed up his read and trust the read to have better timing he would be elite.

 

[Blake25p]

 

[mrMet]

I think you are on to something here.

Milton takes longer to see the play or window develop and relies on his arm strength to still make the throw late.

He does not have great anticipation - he needs to see it before he pulls the trigger. And for the most part his arm strength makes up for the timing differnce.

But if he could speed up his read and trust the read to have better timing he would be elite.

I think biggest thing is trust. If he could just trust the play developing and then use his arm talent, we’d see a #1 pick. It’s almost like he’s scared to make a mistake I think

 

[Volsdeep4]

I think Hyatt is a great WR. But I also think we're not calling plays like we did last year. Might be the new OC, though I thought Heupel was supposedly calling the plays, or maybe they are aware of the deficiencies of our OL and that is forcing them to call it different. I don't really know the reason, but it's different.

Still have guys running wide open every game. Joe just doesn’t see them or can’t hit them.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I think you are on to something here.

Milton takes longer to see the play or window develop and relies on his arm strength to still make the throw late.

He does not have great anticipation - he needs to see it before he pulls the trigger. And for the most part his arm strength makes up for the timing differnce.

But if he could speed up his read and trust the read to have better timing he would be elite.

It's kind of odd...as a fan from the outside I feel like he's a bad fit for our offense. Not a great runner, not great anticipation/timing, and slow to process

I think he's a fantastic teammate and I have zero doubt he isn't working his ass off. But sometimes you end up in a system you don't fit and struggle regardless.

Dobbs was a great QB for Butch's system, JG wasn't. And the irony is that a guy like JG would have probably been great in Heupel's system.


I will say though, I think the OL is more to blame for the uptick in behind the line passes though. Heupel has had no issue with inaccuracy in his system before. Lock was a 58% passer, McKenzie Milton 59.2%, Gabriel 59.3% & 60% so from a completion % Hooker was a bit of a different breed.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Naturally I should want Florida to lose for multiple obvious reasons…. But my utter hatred for kensucky, stoops, and marrow make me somewhat torn on this one.


Sidenote: I believe fentynal and meth are the go to’s as opposed to beer, in Kensucky.

 

[Orange.]

Boom! I've actually seen this! We need a version for our Front 4 this weekend:

“I am the emissary of the Heup. If you defy me, you die.”

 

[Ten_Titans]

Maximum Johnson played very well when he came in. I don't think that changes the outlook too much for us based on what I saw last week.