Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Rishvol]

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Think his boy would transfer to Tennessee

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Mets spent more than anybody the last few seasons…where’s THEIR run? How many consecutive WS trips for the Yankees are we up to? Now do the Dodgers. NOBODY is doing a “run of greatness”. Game’s too humbling.

Still missed the point..the point is that successful small-mid market teams are torn apart.

If you want to say big spenders don't do anything..then ok..but that still doesn't change the fact that small-mid market teams are torn apart...some quicker than others.

You win...leave it.

 

[gordonr24]

I’m thrilled that the Mississippi St and Kentucky games are going to be at night.

 

[Weezer]

This is my 81000th post. For those who think it's a lot, check out @joevol33 's post count.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Yes. I lived in Tampa for a long time. The Tampa Rays have done a great job of handling their small budget. But still, it was not fun watching players play really well and then leave for a higher salary at the big markets. Just not as fun to have big turnover year after year (David Price).

EXACTLY...I tried in the mid aughts and 2010s to get into the Ray's and went to a lot of games when I lived there...but that right there put a freaking hammer stop on it and I said screw it I ain't getting involved anymore.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Both things can be true. You are correct about the crazy spending without a plan not regularly leading to dynasty type runs. Imo mostly because of the size of those owner’s eyos lol. It is also true that well run small market/lower revenue teams have a hard time holding onto the talent they shrewdly acquire with a good organizational plan. So the current system doesn’t guarantee the big markets success, but it guarantees that small market teams thaare at a huge disadvantage trying to hold into their players.

Thank you for understanding and articulating what my biggest issue is.

 

[screenthis]

Nice see another Reds fan on here.

Grew up during the Big Red Machine era living in the Tri Cities. Hard not to be a fan.

 

[Orangeburst]

Just think, after we win CWS, only like 5 weeks till start of fall practice.

 

[Orangeburst]

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[butchna]

Still missed the point..the point is that successful small-mid market teams are torn apart.

If you want to say big spenders don't do anything..then ok..but that still doesn't change the fact that small-mid market teams are torn apart...some quicker than others.

You win...leave it.

The fact that “SUCCESSFUL small mid-market teams” exists in your post obliterates your “point”. Teams that scout, develop and manage correctly compete perfectly well. It’s when they go all-in on one or two players and start dumping the farm when they go backwards. We’re seeing Pittsburgh start to get it and Tampa Bay is another winning model. The Dodgers have always been able to purchase whatever was willing to be bought, but when the Parking Lot Dude owned the team and the process was bad…so were the results. Do it right and you can win.

 

[screenthis]

Go look at when they were good. It's not the fans fault their cheap ass owner stripped the roster so he could move to Vegas.

Completely agree. I generally hate owners moving teams. Still a sin that Seattle doesn't have an NBA team (because the city wouldn't fork over a bunch of public money). So if you're rooting for a team in your city, what are you really rooting for if that team can be ripped away in the middle of the night (Browns)?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

To be fair, we are one of the richer teams.

There are only like 3-4 program that can throw more money around than we do without blowing their whole load.

I hope so..I like the approach we are taking...but it does get really frustrating for obvious reasons.

That is the biggest reason I am trying my best to just go with the flow on recruiting nowadays...but it is frustrating when things seem to be going our way and then..

I wish there were a lot more kids in all sports like Chaz Lanier.

 

[Orangeburst]

 

[LaagerVol]

The fact that “SUCCESSFUL small mid-market teams” exists in your post obliterates your “point”. Teams that scout, develop and manage correctly compete perfectly well. It’s when they go all-in on one or two players and start dumping the farm when they go backwards. We’re seeing Pittsburgh start to get it and Tampa Bay is another winning model. The Dodgers have always been able to purchase whatever was willing to be bought, but when the Parking Lot Dude owned the team and the process was bad…so were the results. Do it right and you can win.

How many WS have Pittsburgh and Tampa won??

Pittsburgh has won their division ZERO times in the last 30 years. They have finished last in their division 12 times in the past 30 years. Next to last 7 times. If I’m not mistaken they are currently in last place.

Tampa has faired better having been to the playoffs 5 years in a row before now. They are currently in last place. You don’t think if they had more money to spend, as well as they are run as an organization that maybe they could’ve gotten over the hump one of those 5 years?

To be clear, your assertion is that baseball’s system doesn’t put the small market teams at a disadvantage compared to the high revenue teams, right?

 

[butchna]

Pittsburgh has won their division ZERO times in the last 30 years. They have finished last in their division 12 times in the past 30 years. Next to last 7 times. If I’m not mistaken they are currently in last place.

Tampa has faired better having been to the playoffs 5 years in a row before now. They are currently in last place. You don’t think if they had more money to spend, as well as they are run as an organization that maybe they could’ve gotten over the hump one of those 5 years?

To be clear, your assertion is that baseballs system doesn’t put the small market teams at a disadvantage compared to the high revenue teams, right?

It’s not a SYSTEM…it’s free market. And the Cubs have ONE WORLD SERIES title since their back to back in 1907-1908…that’s a franchise that has historically printed money but also historically mismanaged its assets. Theo Epstein did it for both Boston and Chicago. Put him in charge of Tampa Bay or Pittsburgh and he’s got more than enough opportunity to duplicate the feat. Baseball is an equalizer. Giving a player $100 mil doesn’t make them get you that one hit that turns a series around and the manager doesn’t need a HOF lock to win a pennant. Braves lost Acuña and made a series of July deadline trades for spare parts that ignited their WS run. Those spare parts cashed in with OTHER franchises after the season and didn’t net any more rings up to this point. Baseball is not as complicated as fans make it out to be.

 

[LaagerVol]

It’s not a SYSTEM…it’s free market. And the Cubs have ONE WORLD SERIES title since their back to back in 1907-1908…that’s a franchise that has historically printed money but also historically mismanaged its assets. Theo Epstein did it for both Boston and Chicago. Put him in charge of Tampa Bay or Pittsburgh and he’s got more than enough opportunity to duplicate the feat. Baseball is an equalizer. Giving a player $100 mil doesn’t make them get you that one hit that turns a series around and the manager doesn’t need a HOF lock to win a pennant. Braves lost Acuña and made a series of July deadline trades for spare parts that ignited their WS run. Those spare parts cashed in with OTHER franchises after the season and didn’t net any more rings up to this point. Baseball is not as complicated as fans make it out to be.

Again, I ask for a simple clarification. You don’t think low revenue teams are at any disadvantage vs high revenue teams In baseball’s CBA?

 

[LaagerVol]

It’s not a SYSTEM…it’s free market. And the Cubs have ONE WORLD SERIES title since they’re back to back in 1907-1908…that’s a franchise that has historically printed money but also historically mismanaged its assets. Theo Epstein did it for both Boston and Chicago. Put him in charge of Tampa Bay or Pittsburgh and he’s got more than enough opportunity to duplicate the feat. Baseball is an equalizer. Giving a player $100 mil doesn’t make them get you that one hit that turns a series around and the manager doesn’t need a HOF lock to win a pennant. Braves lost Acuña and made a series of July deadline trades for spare parts that ignited their WS run. Those spare parts cashed in with OTHER franchises after the season and didn’t net any more rings up to this point. Baseball is not as complicated as fans make it out to be.

I think you’re more emotionally invested in this than I am. You get very defensive when it comes to baseball lol

 

[butchna]

Again, I ask for a simple clarification. You don’t think low revenue teams are at any disadvantage vs high revenue teams In baseball’s CBA?

Sure…and Buffalo is at a disadvantage against Dallas in the NFL. Game’s still the same. Score more than the other guys…KISS.

 

[butchna]

I think you’re more emotionally invested in this than I am. You get very defensive when it comes to baseball lol

Strawman. I’m cursed with knowing what I’m talking about. Lot of posts asserting your point with NO investment? And “lol” is an overused cop out. You seriously laughing out loud like a street preacher?

 

[UTSuave’]

Again, I ask for a simple clarification. You don’t think low revenue teams are at any disadvantage vs high revenue teams In baseball’s CBA?

Scout,Draft and manage…it’s that simple…money comes with attraction.keep your young promising players build around them and everything else falls into place..small market teams are bad about trying to keep up with bigger market teams doing so like @butchna said they trade away what young talent they have chasing one or two star players that might have 3 years left roughly..it all comes back to bad management that doesn’t have patience or understanding of how farm systems work.nobody likes to wait.

 

[LaagerVol]

Strawman. I’m cursed with knowing what I’m talking about. Lot of posts asserting your point with NO investment? And “lol” is an overused cop out. You seriously laughing out loud like a street preacher?

Lol as in I’m being lighthearted, not as in I’m laughing at butchna. It isn’t a straw man because I think you like baseball to the point you are willing to overlook valid evidence to believe in your opinion.

Ok last point and I promise to stop.

2 GMs, both have the same ability to construct a baseball roster. One has a $70m budget the other has $200m. Does one have an advantage over the other?

 

[LaagerVol]

Sure…and Buffalo is at a disadvantage against Dallas in the NFL. Game’s still the same. Score more than the other guys…KISS.

Buffalo isn’t at a disadvantage because Dallas isn’t allowed to spend more than Buffalo. NFL had a pseudo flloor, and a cap. Level playing field

 

[butchna]

Lol as in I’m being lighthearted, not as in I’m laughing at butchna. It isn’t a straw man because I think you like baseball to the point you are willing to overlook valid evidence to believe in your opinion.

Ok last point and I promise to stop.

2 GMs, both have the same ability to construct a baseball roster. One has a $70m budget the other has $200m. Does one have an advantage over the other?

Backhanded slap from you. Can’t possibly have a valid point because I love the game.

GM who makes better moves makes that $70 mil work better and WIN more than an idiot who mismanages the $200 mil…PROVEN throughout baseball history.

 

[JCP201]

Get ready for TX to dominate the NIL era

The ones that go to the highest bidder aren't always the best team members/coaches. Texas has been meh, and it isn't because they don't pay well.

 

[butchna]

Buffalo isn’t at a disadvantage because Dallas isn’t allowed to spend more than Buffalo. NFL had a pseudo flloor, and a cap. Level playing field

Stadium and marketing generates an ENVIRONMENT that lands the free agents. Buffalo has better coaching and development, currently and win more…but their stars have been departing regularly. Diggs anyone? Buffalo as a rule doesn’t outspend others in free agency and still win…how is that possible?