Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[knoxvol52]

What we need are 9 conference games minimum.

Our ADs will not approve that if there are auto bids for the playoff. Losses are still too punitive.

So we need to eliminate auto bids and move to the best 12-14-16 (whatever) teams with no autos.

I hope that we can get rid of these autos and incorporate more conference games. This will provide more data points for evaluating true contenders and allow for more flexibility of seeding

Plus EVERY team in the Power 4 needs to play a better OOC schedule.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So here's what the CFP rankings have told us

1. SEC teams are ranked by the eye test, Texas looks the part despite losing to the only ranked team they've face = best SEC team!!!!
2. Penn State plays a cake schedule gets beaten by Ohio State at home in the only game of note and will not only make the playoffs but be the highest "at large" seed when the dust settles
3. Indiana if you lose you're hosed
4. Army can go themselves
5. BYU, BIG 12 sucks but nice underwear
6. Bama & Ole Miss, they beat Georgia so amazing teams (who cares about their losses!)
7. ACC conference champ is in, everyone else is trash


I just hope Army beats Notre Dame. They have a weak SOS, but they've given up 15 points once this season to East Carolina. And their closes game was an 11 point win at North Texas

 

[MoCo_Vol]

What we need are 9 conference games minimum.

Our ADs will not approve that if there are auto bids for the playoff. Losses are still too punitive.

So we need to eliminate auto bids and move to the best 12-14-16 (whatever) teams with no autos.

I hope that we can get rid of these autos and incorporate more conference games. This will provide more data points for evaluating true contenders and allow for more flexibility of seeding

The big annoyance is that conference championship games are basically now a punishment even with the auto bid. You've had to play an extra game and the 3rd best team in your conference could be rewarded with a home playoff game AND getting to sit at home during championship weekend. (Penn State for example)

 

[TrippieRedd]

What we need are 9 conference games minimum.

Our ADs will not approve that if there are auto bids for the playoff. Losses are still too punitive.

So we need to eliminate auto bids and move to the best 12-14-16 (whatever) teams with no autos.

I hope that we can get rid of these autos and incorporate more conference games. This will provide more data points for evaluating true contenders and allow for more flexibility of seeding

Give me a 10 game regular season.
- 9 conference games
- 1 OOC game

Expand the playoffs to 24 teams. You can leave the bracket how it is currently but just add another bracket with 12 teams to make it 24 total.

Top 8 teams get a bye.

 

[knoxvol52]

Give me a 10 game regular season.
- 9 conference games
- 1 OOC game

Expand the playoffs to 24 teams. You can leave the bracket how it is currently but just add another bracket with 12 teams to make it 24 total.

Top 8 teams get a bye.

Exactly what the FCS playoff format is. Higher seeds host until Championship game.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Exactly what the FCS playoff format is. Higher seeds host until Championship game.

It gives meaning to the top 25 again.

It gives the kids/teams hope. After 2 losses, some teams just kinda give up on the season because a regular bowl is meaningless. These kids want to get to the playoffs.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Give me a 10 game regular season.
- 9 conference games
- 1 OOC game

Expand the playoffs to 24 teams. You can leave the bracket how it is currently but just add another bracket with 12 teams to make it 24 total.

Top 8 teams get a bye.

There are 40+ bowl games...too much money is made with those to just follow the FCS format sadly.

 

[TrippieRedd]

There are 40+ bowl games...too much money is made with those to just follow the FCS format sadly.

We couldn’t make those games, bowl games? That takes a chunk of those 40 bowls right there.

Let’s say, screw home field advantage for everyone. Just make the playoff games, neutral site bowl games. Everyone makes money, everyone finds out who truly is the best.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

We couldn’t make those games, bowl games? That takes a chunk of those 40 bowls right there.

Let’s say, screw home field advantage for everyone. Just make the playoff games, neutral site bowl games. Everyone makes money, everyone finds out who truly is the best.

24 teams = 12 bowl games so you're still cutting out 60ish teams and 30 or so bowl games in that format

 

[InVOLuntary]

The big annoyance is that conference championship games are basically now a punishment even with the auto bid. You've had to play an extra game and the 3rd best team in your conference could be rewarded with a home playoff game AND getting to sit at home during championship weekend. (Penn State for example)

If you win though you get that game back with a 1st round bye.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So counting every round...

Round 1 = 16 teams (top 8 = byes) = 8 bowl games
Round 2 = 16 teams (top 8 + 8 first round winners) = 8 bowl games
Round 3 = 8 teams = 4 bowl games
Round 4 = 4 teams = 2 bowl games
Championship = 2 teams = 1 bowl game

23 bowl games and you've also abbreviated the regular season by 2 games per team which cuts MILLIONS of TV money out of the conference/school pocket books.

 

[TrippieRedd]

24 teams = 12 bowl games so you're still cutting out 60ish teams and 30 or so bowl games in that format

So you’re telling me you can’t find 60 teams to fill those 30 bowls?

There was around 80 bowl eligible teams last year. Subtract 24 teams, that’s 56. Add four 5-7 teams if need be.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

If you win though you get that game back with a 1st round bye.

True, but that's only the 4 winners. So the G5 conferences (if they have a championship game) and the loser of the conference championship games are adding an additional game with no benefit except an extra loss that hurts their seeding/chances at a home playoff game.

 

[SpringBokVol]

It’s time for Josh and the offense to light up score boards and don’t stop until the final whistle.

Should have punched another one in on miss state.

Obviously the CFP leans toward points and margin.

So time to step it up.

 

[knoxvol52]

So you’re telling me you can’t find 60 teams to fill those 30 bowls?

There was around 80 bowl eligible teams last year. Subtract 24 teams, that’s 56. Add four 5-7 teams if need be.

Better solution is to discontinue some of the early Bowl Games, the attendance at some of them is downright embarrassing to view.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So you’re telling me you can’t find 60 teams to fill those 30 bowls?

There was around 80 bowl eligible teams last year. Subtract 24 teams, that’s 56. Add four 5-7 teams if need be.

What?

 

[TrippieRedd]

What?

You said I was cutting 60 teams and 30 bowls from that format.

I’m not cutting anyone…everyone gets a bowl.

I’m assuming you were saying something different.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

You said I was cutting 60 teams and 30 bowls from that format.

I’m not cutting anyone. Everyone gets a bowl.

I’m assuming you were saying something different.

Sounded like you was saying playoffs = bowl games, didn't know you meant AND ALSO play the other bowl games for participation purposes.

It's not much different than what we have now honestly, but the cutting down the regular season by 2 games for everyone would be the deal breaker. College football and the NFL both have always been trying to add games because regardless of how good or bad a team is it's a live event that will pull in ad revenue.

 

[SpringBokVol]

So here's what the CFP rankings have told us

1. SEC teams are ranked by the eye test, Texas looks the part despite losing to the only ranked team they've face = best SEC team!!!!
2. Penn State plays a cake schedule gets beaten by Ohio State at home in the only game of note and will not only make the playoffs but be the highest "at large" seed when the dust settles
3. Indiana if you lose you're hosed
4. Army can go themselves
5. BYU, BIG 12 sucks but nice underwear
6. Bama & Ole Miss, they beat Georgia so amazing teams (who cares about their losses!)
7. ACC conference champ is in, everyone else is trash


I just hope Army beats Notre Dame. They have a weak SOS, but they've given up 15 points once this season to East Carolina. And their closes game was an 11 point win at North Texas

If Indiana loses to Ohio state they will still be in the top 10. That’s the issue I have.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Easier way to solve everything.
5 P5 conferences. Top 2 seeds play conf champ game as the first round of the playoffs. Then the 2 highest G5 teams play. Re seed everyone after the first round and go from there. Anything else is too subjective.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

If Indiana loses to Ohio state they will still be in the top 10. That’s the issue I have.

They're the medias darling. Too bad they'll get waxed when they play someone decent.

 

[rikberry31]

#7....I used to think that media wasn't biased against UT, but I really think they are now in several ways. I just do not understand how that is the case.

We bring eyes on whatever we do, which is money. Our games have high ratings, we are in the SEC, have a likeable head coach, had been down for sooo long but it doesn't matter.

Why are we hated so much? I mean I can think of some things that have pissed the media off but good grief. We had a bad loss to Arkansas. We haven't looked great at times, but we have freaking won! Other teams have had bad losses too or haven't beaten anyone!

We are and always have been hated by the elite media and old guard football. Tennessee's (and the SEC's really) popularity, outside of the South came with the 1984 decision to allow conferences, not the NCAA, to control tv rights. We became more visible just as we started playing good football.
The Blowhio STs, Bichagans, Nuter Lames, USCs, and State Penns of the world hate us and see us as interlopers and hate us. They hate the whole South really, only tolerate the upper crust hillbillies, the Bammers because they won a Rose Bowl a hundred years ago.
The commies at ESPN hate us. They hate that we are Villians, have lots of guns, we don't have laws, don't drive Evs, and we aren't woke. ESPN is based in the football mega epicenter of Connecticut. They love the ratings, but they hate us, even though the SEC has made ESPN.

 

[Jackcrevol]

To me there needs to be a black and white set of criteria for entrance.

Otherwise, I could see a team throwing a game to miss conference game. Kiffing is a schister.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

If Indiana loses to Ohio state they will still be in the top 10. That’s the issue I have.

Yeah, the BIG10 has set this up with their terrible conference scheduling to allow 4 teams to get in. The real question is if Indiana beats Ohio State will they keep a 2 loss Buckeye team in when both losses would be to the 2 undefeated teams playing in their conference championship?

I'd honestly rather see Indiana in than Penn State... we know James Franklin is a pretender his record against top 15 teams shows us they can't compete.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Easier way to solve everything.
5 P5 conferences. Top 2 seeds play conf champ game as the first round of the playoffs. Then the 2 highest G5 teams play. Re seed everyone after the first round and go from there. Anything else is too subjective.

Honestly I think the smartest solution is a bit of policy.

Max conference teams limit (I think 16 is plenty)
Minimum in conference games required (16 team conference ya play 9, 14 team you play 8, 12 team you play 7, etc.) You basically play half your conference +1
At least 1 P4 OOC game for every P4 conference team

I'd also just eliminate conference championship games. We've had formulas in place to hand out regular season titles to basketball for decades, there's no great advantage to conference championship games in football other than allowing an upset and a team that didn't have a great regular season to get an auto bid they really don't deserve.