Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Rishvol]

HAHAHAHAAHAHA..love Josh when he’s pissed..he knows…we all know

This is why I'm not blaming coaches. There was NOTHING Tennessee could've done last night to win

 

[R0CKYT0P 16]

The offensive scheme will not change. But someone new needs the keys to this offense. Ever since Joey Halze took over. There is no vertical passing game. If we throw it over the middle, it’s a five yard slant. We stopped attacking the middle of the field the day Golesch left. Everything is short and near the sidelines.

 

[peaygolf]

 

[Aesius]

Josh Heupel could go 8-4 next year and his seat would be cooler than an ocean breeze going into 2026. Staff changed need to happen ASAP. But a Josh Heupel ain’t the change that’s needed.

Be very careful what you wish for on staff changes. We’ve been burned by that move countless times.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I like Heupel but his ceiling is Mark Richt. I know many here will take that and call it a day over the last 20 years of the program. To each their own. Sadly I am starting to buy his offense is a gimmick. It’s already been figured out by the elite coaches that he has to beat and has shown that he can’t make the necessary in game adjustments. I think this style of offense has a shelf life of 2-3 years at this elite level.

I’m not calling for his firing but he will have to cut Elarbee and Halzle if he wants to take a step forward. If there is an upgrade for Pope then take it. If Banks goes, and I’m assuming he will, he needs to retain Chop if at all possible. I wouldn’t be mad if Banks chose to take CWM either him.

You have it completely backwards.

The offensive woes the past two seasons have been personnel related (depending on the player/position: experience, talent, or depth) vs the scheme.

If anything, the scheme has kept us in games in which the individual or position group performance would have otherwise dictated an uncompetitive loss.

 

[Jackcrevol]

The offensive scheme will not change. But someone new needs the keys to this offense. Ever since Joey Halze took over. There is no vertical passing game. If we throw it over the middle, it’s a five yard slant. We stopped attacking the middle of the field the day Golesch left. Everything is short and near the sidelines.

Even VQ guys pointed out, we find something that works, then go completely away from it. I 100% agree here.

Look USF isnt world beaters, but Golesh gets his guys ready for tempo, and the playbook is open. Its truly fun to watch. Different looks, movement, using PA...creativity.

No one can tell me the offense has gotten better. In fact, would argue its gotten worse since first game. More of an indictment, there is no adjustment to what defense is doing.

Backing out the FCS games, I wonder what our PPG would be.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Some of y’all need to sack up! Hated how soft we looked after the first quarter, hated our defensive game plan, and hated that we did not lean on our running game that was effective in the fourth quarter. However, in our fourth year after wondering in the wilderness for almost 15 years, Heupel has us 8–2 and still in the playoff hunt. In hindsight, going into Georgia at night last night with them having two losses was a monstrous task. I felt like we sensed when the calls started going against us in the second quarter, that we knew the SEC was going to do everything possible to prevent Georgia from losing a third game. The game seemed to be called pretty evenly in the first quarter. We need to flush this game, and be mad the next two weeks. Don’t give anything to chance, and certainly don’t let the SEC send one of their crony refereeing Crews to Vanderbilt and try to put them in position to give us a third loss.Be aggressive, and go obliterate our next two opponents. If we do that, I still think we have a better résumé than at least three of the SEC teams that will be in front of us on Tuesday night.

 

[Vols4us]

Heup's not on the hot seat. He should not be on the hot seat. Heup has turned the program around. Very pleased overall with where they are. Disappointed that apparently they have not seen they are standing in their own way. Quit blaming the officials, report stuff to the SEC and fix your own issues. Until/if officiating is centralized and trained in the sport, it is a condition on the ground you work around.

It is now about taking the next step. Loyalty over competency is what puts you on the hot seat. Hire the competent that fit the program's goals that can truly help you win it all. Then let them do their jobs, be a quality boss and lead the program.

The ultimate goal is to do what Tony Voltello has done. He models how it is done well in every sport. In football in the SEC it is what Saban and Smart have done.

Everybody gets a periodic employee review by their supervisor unless they own the company, who also should seek input from trusted sources about his/her own performance. The supervisor is not doing his/her job if they do not address the deficiencies as well as compliment the successes and improvements. That's on Danny White when it comes to Heup.

The observations and patterns are what they after 4 years. Make changes to take the final steps so they can hoist the natty trophy on Rocky Top.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

took last nights loss pretty hard.

I mean, uga is as vulnerable as they’ve ever been. They’re not that good. Top 3 backs missing. Top 3 receivers missing. Mash unit OL.

And they dominated us post first quarter.

It’s the kind of game that really makes me wonder if we’ll ever be elite again.

And I love me some Heupel, but I’m seriously doubting his system can win in the SEC.

 

[Rishvol]

being pissed after the game doesnt do squat. i want to see him chew the refs butts. i want to see him explode and show some damn emotion instead of chewing gum and looking at the jumbotron. jump up and down, get in their ears, take the freaking penalty. do something. i lm sick of seeing stupid flags and him just taking it.

Did you not see him cussing them out after the "facemask" call? Or the "offsides" call? Or the "12 man" call? Or the"overturn" call?

 

[Rishvol]

I need to explain this to me like I'm three years old. Why are we out of the playoffs as a two game loser, when Bama is in it when we beat them and they lost to Vandy? (that win against LSU wasn't impressive considering what we saw last night from them against Florida, who we also beat)

Name across chest. That's literally all it is

 

[Jimmy Football]

Maybe in 10 years like UGA did Mark Richt but to even consider doing anything but extending Heupel on his next contract, after he's taken us to where we are now vs where we were in this amount of time is just...idk what. Beyond stupidity.

It’s just too early make conclusions about ceilings and whatnot.

Here are Steve Spurrier’s first years at Florida:
1990: 9-2
1991: 10-2
1992: 9-4
1993: 11-2

Aside from year one, very similar progression in an easier SEC. And it would still be a couple of years before he really broke through.

Josh’s destiny is nowhere near written yet. My biggest concern with him is that his past experience with being fired may make him hesitate to make needed personnel changes.

 

[Aesius]

took last nights loss pretty hard.

I mean, uga is as vulnerable as they’ve ever been. They’re not that good. Top 3 backs missing. Top 3 receivers missing. Mash unit OL.

And they dominated us post first quarter.

It’s the kind of game that really makes me wonder if we’ll ever be elite again.

And I love me some Heupel, but I’m seriously doubting his system can win in the SEC.

What do you mean by “win in the SEC?” Are you hoping to never lose a conference game again?

I think it’s clear his system wins in the SEC. UGA has just been a thorn in his side because they’ve either been elite when he has played them or they’re a cornered animal that desperately needs to beat us and we had to play them at their place at night.

 

[engineerVOL]

We’re all angry because we saw a path to victory and had a double digit lead on the road. We aren’t a bad football team. We have/had the players to win that game. And we should have.

And why in Sam Hill am I reading Jarrett Gaurantano’s name on here, Trippie? Come on, man.

 

[PKT_VOL]

The offensive scheme will not change. But someone new needs the keys to this offense. Ever since Joey Halze took over. There is no vertical passing game. If we throw it over the middle, it’s a five yard slant. We stopped attacking the middle of the field the day Golesch left. Everything is short and near the sidelines.

A worse OL and Milton/freshman QB will do that.

Heupel is still calling plays. We are slowing recruiting and developing the talent have an offense put up 2022 numbers every year. Just takes time.

 

[R0CKYT0P 16]

Did you not see him cussing them out after the "facemask" call? Or the "offsides" call? Or the "12 man" call? Or the"overturn" call?

Everyone’s favorite meme is him chewing out the refs during the MCB. He is not afraid to chew the refs. But he’s gotta take a fine and put it out there in the media. Go into a press conference and lay out their incompetence. I’m sure Danny White, boosters, and fans alike will pay that fine.

Also, Greg Sankey. Make these refs full time. Stop hiring realtors from Tuscaloosa who want a fun side hustle/hobby. Get some full time officials so that we can have some more consistent officiating.

 

[Vols4us]

Even VQ guys pointed out, we find something that works, then go completely away from it. I 100% agree here.

Look USF isnt world beaters, but Golesh gets his guys ready for tempo, and the playbook is open. Its truly fun to watch. Different looks, movement, using PA...creativity.

No one can tell me the offense has gotten better. In fact, would argue its gotten worse since first game. More of an indictment, there is no adjustment to what defense is doing.

Backing out the FCS games, I wonder what our PPG would be.

Good post.

Very few want to hear that Golesh added great value to the offensive system. Yet, the O regressing for two seasons afterwards is right in front of their eyes. The opponents know it and take advantage of it. Fix it in the off season or continue getting what you get.

Your point about SEC offensive performance should smack people in the face. Until last night, the defense has won the SEC games.

 

[vol4eva]

We are still in our Clemson 2009-2014 phase.

Need to keep stacking 10 win seasons to reach the next level as a program.

We’ve come a long way talent wise, but we’re still lacking at a number of positions. Oline, WR, linebacker, safeties etc.

We’re a top tier SEC team now, but not at a championship level yet. We just have to keep grinding and stacking talent.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Some of y’all need to sack up! Hated how soft we looked after the first quarter, hated our defensive game plan, and hated that we did not lean on our running game that was effective in the fourth quarter. However, in our fourth year after wondering in the wilderness for almost 15 years, Heupel has us 8–2 and still in the playoff hunt. In hindsight, going into Georgia at night last night with them having two losses was a monstrous task. I felt like we sensed when the calls started going against us in the second quarter, that we knew the SEC was going to do everything possible to prevent Georgia from losing a third game. The game seemed to be called pretty evenly in the first quarter. We need to flush this game, and be mad the next two weeks. Don’t give anything to chance, and certainly don’t let the SEC send one of their crony refereeing Crews to Vanderbilt and try to put them in position to give us a third loss.Be aggressive, and go obliterate our next two opponents. If we do that, I still think we have a better résumé than at least three of the SEC teams that will be in front of us on Tuesday night.

Shouldve been fahrrin's after Arkansas

I do think some changes need to be made at years end. We all want to win, and in order to be elite that will likely need to happen.

Good news is I trust Huepel to make right decisions.

- OL will have new blood
- WR will have new blood
- Lewis looks good

There will be growing pains but the future looks good, and with Nico being in Y2, i'm hopeful.

Just hope development is there.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Even VQ guys pointed out, we find something that works, then go completely away from it. I 100% agree here.

Look USF isnt world beaters, but Golesh gets his guys ready for tempo, and the playbook is open. Its truly fun to watch. Different looks, movement, using PA...creativity.

No one can tell me the offense has gotten better. In fact, would argue its gotten worse since first game. More of an indictment, there is no adjustment to what defense is doing.

Backing out the FCS games, I wonder what our PPG would be.

Ah, the bards are once again singing the Ballad of Alex the Great.

They mysteriously took a week off, though. Seems strange.

 

[vol4eva]

Huepel is NOT going to be on the hotseat man.

People even contemplating Hypes job are insane. GTFO with that

 

[R0CKYT0P 16]

Be very careful what you wish for on staff changes. We’ve been burned by that move countless times.

We’ve made some irrational moves in the past. But these guys have been with us since 2021 and with Heupel since before then. We have a good idea of these coaches.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Even VQ guys pointed out, we find something that works, then go completely away from it. I 100% agree here.

Look USF isnt world beaters, but Golesh gets his guys ready for tempo, and the playbook is open. Its truly fun to watch. Different looks, movement, using PA...creativity.

No one can tell me the offense has gotten better. In fact, would argue its gotten worse since first game. More of an indictment, there is no adjustment to what defense is doing.

Backing out the FCS games, I wonder what our PPG would be.

Let me keep going back to 2018 then since you keep telling me there’s no similarities.

How about this?

2018 in SEC games: PPG 20.25

This year: PPG 23.42

JG: 9 TDs
Nico: 5TDs

 

[GoodTimeVol]

We either got to tinker with the offensive scheme or we need a better play caller simple as that. And OL needs a new coach don’t care if he is your best friend that’s 4 years in a row your line got dominated by Georgia. We can’t compete if that happens, no teams can compete with that

 

[rockytop25]

Here’s where I am at: we are getting closer to Georgia and that is good to see. I was pretty discouraged last night with the way the defense played. If you had told me that we would have scored 17 in the first half I would have felt GREAT about us winning. Defense just wasn’t as sharp tonight. 10-2 in 2/3 years is a great step in the right direction as a program.

I said last night, I’m not normally a “blame the officials” guy but that was really bad. Georgia fumbled the ball twice (on drives they scored I’m pretty sure) and one was reviewed and called back, and another wasn’t even looked at. I have never once in my life seen officials AFTER the play to review for 12 men on the field the way they did. Not to mention the bad facemask penalty that gave them a first down when it would’ve been 3rd and long on our side of the field. False starts not getting called on the last drive of the game. I could go on and on.

It was so obviously one sided and that to me is so frustrating as someone who loves CFB. I’ll never understand how a former ALABAMA QB is allowed to call games in this conference. I also could go without ever hearing Chris Fowler calling one of our games, he clearly does not like us and lets his bias get in the way. GBO