Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[rikberry31]

I think a lot of people on here are taking the CFP at face value. Use logic and reason to pick the best teams to play for a national title. It should be easy. It should be simple. It is very easy to get locked in that argument. Especially if you love the sport and want to talk about the things that actually matter.

Unfortunately, the committee does not care about results, they do not care about ranking the best teams.

They are putting a TV product together. The same way that you would build a mini-series or movie trilogy that would be aired nationally.

They are not beholden to what happens on the field. They are analyzing spreadsheets and reports that have laid out for them what the most successful series of games would be for them to maximize revenue today, and to help in future media negotiations. That is it.

They are working backwards to find ways to slot the most desirable teams in the most advantageous spots, to produce the biggest numbers. The CFP is a TV product. The rankings show is a TV product.

You can tell that they don't give a crap because they have a few mouth pieces out there that float their BS. As others have pointed out, Dinich seems to have an in to soft release the rankings every week. Auerbach is the least skillful at veiling that she is a mouthpiece, but may be one of the loudest.

Floating things like this out there:


Attempting to normalize "taking head to head out of it." That is insight into what the committee is putting in front of media members to permeate the CFP public.

The rest get caught up in an idea that was floated out there, that really means nothing. "Best vs Most Deserving." It's a load of crap. It means nothing. They made that argument up to have talking points for TV and keep the majority of fans busy arguing about hypotheticals and pointing to data and ideas that mean absolutely nothing to the committee.

This is a TV product.

They have their A-List programs that people will always tune in for. They have sexy teams that are lightning rods. They have a pool of others to choose from. They'll continue mathing out what will be best for the executives at the very top, and tell everyone else to figure it out. Like they always do.

Exactly. You really get it. CFB is becoming the NFL.

This is why I don't really watch the NFL anymore, it's an old article but it explains a lot of what is going on.

String Theories: Is The NFL Broken Because It's Fixed?

The NFL repeatedly positions itself legally as a "sports entertainment" business, not a genuinely contested "sport." Now, it apparently has a court-granted right to fix the outcome of professional football games. There is no question that the NFL has the legal right to fix a game. Any game...

www.mediapost.com

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Because it's about footprints and the money those footprints bring in. We are a draw in our footprint. But there are many more tv sets in the biggest markets that Big 10 draws. Other than politics how the do you explain 4 Big10 teams in?

I don't think it's about TV market as much as it is, bias with the committe chair, they're trying to tip the scales of the system to their favorite.
The B10 teams not only being in, but being ranked as high as they are isn't an accident. They're trying to get them cold weather playoff games at home.

 

[drvenner]

Bama's resume is quite a bit better rn.

That USCjr win is looking really nice at this point and though Mizzou and LSU just dropped from the rankings, they absolutely dominated both.

Unfortunately we don't have solid wins #2-4 like that.

Not that who ends up ranked higher will matter a ton. I don't see either getting a home game and the initial pairing is pretty random. Ie #11 or #12 could get an ND or Indiana as much as #9 or #10 lands an SEC opponent...

The only number that matters is 24-17.

 

[drvenner]

#11, whatever that means

It means BOHICA

 

[drvenner]

Never thought I'd see the day when I cheered for Sunbelt Billy and Hugh Freeze in the same weekend, but here we are.

 

[rikberry31]

That's the worst part about DK..... playing with the Lakers


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18 > 17

(And don't forget.... the CELTICS have always been in BOSTON. LA is just an expansion team. )

They aren't an expansion team. I think the Lakers were originally from Detroit and then moved to Minneapolis (that's why they are called the Lakers) and then to LA.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Never thought I'd see the day when I cheered for Sunbelt Billy and Hugh Freeze in the same weekend, but here we are.

Wild times, but thats what makes it fun. When your worst enemies become your bff’s for a day lol

 

[therickbol]

The issue with the inept CFP committee is that they have so many tools at their disposal to be able to do the job well. But they refuse to use them correctly because they let their own ignorant bias trump the tools available. They own a Ferrari but to get to work they put it in neutral and push it down the road. Idiots.

Combine computer models, ratings, SOS and then here is the big one that makes their job easier..... when trying to figure out who goes where when it is really close you simply ask Vegas bookmakers to tell you how much each team would be favored in a neutral site game. That's as objective as it gets. You don't use that as the only metric but you use it to help create the correct order when there is no obvious answer from the records and metrics. How many of those garbage BIG10 teams would be favored on a neutral site vs UGA/UT/Ole Miss/Alabama?

 

[itsme]

Ohio State will look like **** against Indiana this weekend and it will be up being 27-24 or 31-24, something like that.

They will be impressed by Indiana and keep them in front of us….knowing our luck.

We have no hope unless Ole Miss, Bama, or UGA lose again. I guess ND as well.

This is what will happen. The conference will want to refs to keep it close. So watch for terrible calls on OSU during big plays.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

The issue with the inept CFP committee is that they have so many tools at their disposal to be able to do the job well. But they refuse to use them correctly because they let their own ignorant bias trump the tools available. They own a Ferrari but to get to work they put it in neutral and push it down the road. Idiots.

Combine computer models, ratings, SOS and then here is the big one that makes their job easier..... when trying to figure out who goes where when it is really close you simply ask Vegas bookmakers to tell you how much each team would be favored in a neutral site game. That's as objective as it gets. You don't use that as the only metric but you use it to help create the correct order when there is no obvious answer from the records and metrics. How many of those garbage BIG10 teams would be favored on a neutral site vs UGA/UT/Ole Miss/Alabama?

None of them according to josh pate

 

[knoxvol52]

They aren't an expansion team. I think the Lakers were originally from Detroit and then moved to Minneapolis (that's why they are called the Lakers) and then to LA.

Correct.

 

[rocktopper16]

Kent St looks worse than these guys. They've been at least competitive in most of their losses.

Kent’s also played better competition. UTEP has no running back. The guy they have now runs a 4.7 40. I’d bet my house we win by 60+

 

[itsme]

LMAO at this point... the committee clearly does not want us in. They clearly want their bama, ga, nd, Indiana Cinderella, and ohst in. No math justifies us being so far behind them at this point...We are not getting into the playoff, so quit debating with the "what if's"... we are going bowling, because ..... TN. We straight F'd ourselves 'ishing the bed at Arky and it has knocked us out of the playoff. It's all the justification this corrupt committee needed, along with Sankey's blessing. Anyone who thinks Sankey gives a rip about TN, no one can help you at this point, can't fix stupid.
Maybe Heup and staff will learn from this and not be taking their foot off the pedal at any point next season, learn how to adjust their game plan DURING games, learn how to develop our Oline and WR's, and keep building depth.
Otherwise, next season, wash, rinse, repeat.

I 100% believe that we need 2 of the teams within 6 spots of us to lose badly in order to make it in.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

The issue with the inept CFP committee is that they have so many tools at their disposal to be able to do the job well. But they refuse to use them correctly because they let their own ignorant bias trump the tools available. They own a Ferrari but to get to work they put it in neutral and push it down the road. Idiots.

Combine computer models, ratings, SOS and then here is the big one that makes their job easier..... when trying to figure out who goes where when it is really close you simply ask Vegas bookmakers to tell you how much each team would be favored in a neutral site game. That's as objective as it gets. You don't use that as the only metric but you use it to help create the correct order when there is no obvious answer from the records and metrics. How many of those garbage BIG10 teams would be favored on a neutral site vs UGA/UT/Ole Miss/Alabama?

I still think easiest and least bitcahable is playoff with BCS rankings.

 

[drvenner]

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I truly believe this dude services John Adams in inappropriate ways

 

[itsme]

What would happen if A&M beats Texas?

They should plummet.

I mean that’s an okay loss but they have zero wins and terrible SOS.

Same would apply if Bama spanks Texas in the championship game - at least it should but it won’t.

A&M would be in and Texas will be in. They wouldn't drop Texas out of the top 10.

 

[Midas]

Because it's about footprints and the money those footprints bring in. We are a draw in our footprint. But there are many more tv sets in the biggest markets that Big 10 draws. Other than politics how the do you explain 4 Big10 teams in?

If by big markets you’re talking about people in like NYC watching the college football playoff, then I guess maybe that makes sense cause I’m know there are a lot of Indiana alumni working/living up there but there are a lot more Penn State people and probably enough Ohio State people there to where you don’t have to force an undeserving Indiana team (if they lose to OSU) into the playoff to get people there to watch. I’m sure a lot of people there will watch anyways though. There are also a ton of SEC alumni bars up there. And if OSU gets in I’m sure the majority of the Midwest will have an interest in watching the games. The only market I could see not caring is the southern part of the west coast. USC and UCLA being mediocre has definitely caused them to not care about college football as much in those parts.

Idk I think it’s mostly politics and the fact that the BIG 10 has such a strong presence in the committee that the rankings are the way they are.

 

[rocktopper16]

UTEP sucks but Kent State may be one of the worst teams we've ever played

You’re right but UTEP isn’t much better

 

[GoodTimeVol]

A&M would be in and Texas will be in. They wouldn't drop Texas out of the top 10.

Yeah need Texas to win do to recency bias and because the committee is dead set on getting Texas, also they don’t care about SOS as we know already

 

[GoodTimeVol]

Because it's about footprints and the money those footprints bring in. We are a draw in our footprint. But there are many more tv sets in the biggest markets that Big 10 draws. Other than politics how the do you explain 4 Big10 teams in?

The footprint thing won’t matter if teams are getting blown out by the second half

 

[TN-POSSUM]

I think a lot of people on here are taking the CFP at face value. Use logic and reason to pick the best teams to play for a national title. It should be easy. It should be simple. It is very easy to get locked in that argument. Especially if you love the sport and want to talk about the things that actually matter.

Unfortunately, the committee does not care about results, they do not care about ranking the best teams.

They are putting a TV product together. The same way that you would build a mini-series or movie trilogy that would be aired nationally.

They are not beholden to what happens on the field. They are analyzing spreadsheets and reports that have laid out for them what the most successful series of games would be for them to maximize revenue today, and to help in future media negotiations. That is it.

They are working backwards to find ways to slot the most desirable teams in the most advantageous spots, to produce the biggest numbers. The CFP is a TV product. The rankings show is a TV product.

You can tell that they don't give a crap because they have a few mouth pieces out there that float their BS. As others have pointed out, Dinich seems to have an in to soft release the rankings every week. Auerbach is the least skillful at veiling that she is a mouthpiece, but may be one of the loudest.

Floating things like this out there:


Attempting to normalize "taking head to head out of it." That is insight into what the committee is putting in front of media members to permeate the CFP public.

The rest get caught up in an idea that was floated out there, that really means nothing. "Best vs Most Deserving." It's a load of crap. It means nothing. They made that argument up to have talking points for TV and keep the majority of fans busy arguing about hypotheticals and pointing to data and ideas that mean absolutely nothing to the committee.

This is a TV product.

They have their A-List programs that people will always tune in for. They have sexy teams that are lightning rods. They have a pool of others to choose from. They'll continue mathing out what will be best for the executives at the very top, and tell everyone else to figure it out. Like they always do.

Also....





*I do think it's money based, but leaving the VOL fanbase out of anything is a huge mistake. Our games are usually in the top 5-10 of games watched weekly and our fan base travels everywhere.

 

[Midas]

A&M would be in and Texas will be in. They wouldn't drop Texas out of the top 10.

Yeah I don’t think it will be in our favor is A&M wins against Texas. Texas should get dropped out if they lose but you know the committee is not going to do that.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Basketball Vols playing in the Bahamas on Thursday and I'm sitting here in Tennessee. SMDH

Send a strongly worded email to Barnes

 

[rocktopper16]

I honestly believe Josh needs to follow what Lane does and keep Nico in the whole game. Pad stats beat the color of there jerseys and show the commitment how disrespected he feels.