Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Jackcrevol]

I feel bad for my job for having to pay me the next couple days while all I’ll really be doing is refreshing Twitter and cruising forums.

Have to be in Sevierville today, ugh. I...dont...want....too.

 

[SoilVol]

College basketball Top 10
4 SEC
2 Big 12
1 Big East
1 Mountain West
1 Big 10
1 ACC

Top 5
Kansas (35) 1499
Auburn (26) 1490
Tennessee 1351
Kentucky 1267
Marquette 1246

 

[DD4ME]

Happy Tuesday. Hope this message finds people well.

December 3, 2024: Maintain your composure in the days ahead. You are likely to step outside the boundaries of normalcy and exhibit unusual behavior. So, set a watch and spend time in My presence, says the Lord, where you can regain spiritual balance. Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

Good approach. In my case, this wasn’t the result of any discussion. My family joined me at my house to celebrate my birthday in October. Two scant weeks before Election Day. Having a good time enjoying my cigars, fajitas and Gentleman’s Jack. Early voting came up and it was revealed that I was the only one at the table who had exercised my freedom to vote for the WRONG CANDIDATE. Daughter was visually disappointed. Flash forward to the morning after Election Day and I haven’t discussed the previous night…experience from 2016. Wife isn’t happy and emphasized that I shouldn’t call my daughter because she’s very upset…”can’t stop crying.” I asked “Over this?” and she says “Yes…you don’t understand what this means for women.” In a matter of days, she changes the beneficiary of her insurance from me to my stepdaughter’s son and switches her bank accounts (which she had resisted doing even after I urged it for years). Both moves seemed designed for punitive effect. That night ended with her telling me she loved me even tho I’m racist. I didn’t raise her to be a robot and I reminded her of that factoid. But respect for other views didn’t translate in her rearing apparently and now we’re at this ridiculous crossroads. I started this post hours ago and just completed it due to a spirited debate with my spouse that had obviously built up. Ended it with an honest question. “We’ve known each other 10 years…do you seriously believe I would do anything to harm women.” Her response…”Not knowingly.” Nice ending point.

Prayers for you, brother. Also prayers that God would open their eyes and hearts to what is real. Hang in there.

 

[rikberry31]

They aren't playing UK

And Bama isn't facing OU

When it gets this close I'd ask who's played the best playoff-caliber opponents.

It's not that much separation, but I'd put it
1) OM
2) Bama/USCjr too close to call

USCjr not losing...but getting BOATRACED by Ole Miss really hurts jmo. I don't put a ton on H2H, but getting destroyed vs a playoff caliber opponent vs destroying one is meaningful.

This pretty much tells you all you need to know. I don't put a ton on head to head, WTF?

 

[Leeleesteeth]

In our case...nobody has "figured us out"...what they have done is do what they can to aggravate, and then hope we screw it up, which we have done at an extremely high rate. We could easily be scoring 40+ a game with better execution.

But...defenses across the league have gottenpoints. As a whole, and a better defense obviously allows less points.

We have had extremely bad growing pains...our ppg will go up as we work our way through those.

We are always going to score less points when facing a very talented and well coached defense, especially on the road when crowd noise adds to the defensive pressure...but the plays are literally always there, they are just at a premium in those situations.

The better our QB gets...the more of those nuggets will be dug out.

Great points. "Figuring" out UT's Offense is really not the issue. It's not that hard to do from a scheme standpoint. His Offense isn't based on deception, it's based on conflict and exploiting that conflict on the fly and executing the options that present themselves. As Nico grows more you are seeing the Offense become what it should be.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Great points. "Figuring" out UT's Offense is really not the issue. It's not that hard to do from a scheme standpoint. His Offense isn't based on deception, it's based on conflict and exploiting that conflict on the fly and executing the options that present themselves. As Nico grows more you are seeing the Offense become what it should be.

Which is why I’ve said repeatedly this season that I hoped Tennessee never had to rely on a freshman QB again.

 

[rikberry31]

I think the new clock rules have affected scoring some. And perhaps recruiting defense differently for spread type offenses.

A ton. Nobody talks about it or maybe even notices it, but the clock has really diminished the number of plays per game. It is specifically aimed at offenses that go fast like Tennessee.

 

[DD4ME]

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

This pretty much tells you all you need to know. I don't put a ton on head to head, WTF?

Hahahaha im right there with you. That illogical mindset is what will get bama into the playoff. We should play this game on paper since h2h isnt important.

 

[rikberry31]

Single Season New Record Holder
Rushing Yards: 1485 (previous record 1464 by Stephens in 2001)
Rushing TDs: 22 (previous record 18 by Gene McEver in 1929)

Records still in reach to break
Career Rushing TDs: 37 by Gene McEver (Dylan has 35)
Career Rushing Yards: 3078 by Travis Henry (Dylan has 2486)
Single-Season Attempts: 291 by Travis Stephens (Dylan has 256)


To win the Natty we'd have to play another 4 games...

I think to be fair, if play multiple postseason games and the records are broken it is a little misleading. I mean in the 1930's they only played ten games. As of now DS is one of the all timers without the extra games.

 

[knoxvol52]

A ton. Nobody talks about it or maybe even notices it, but the clock has really diminished the number of plays per game. It is specifically aimed at offenses that go fast like Tennessee.

In 2022 with no running clock Tennessee ran 945 plays in a 13 game season little over 72 plays per game.

In 2024 playing 12 games so far Tennessee has ran 888 plays an average of 74 plays per game.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Great points. "Figuring" out UT's Offense is really not the issue. It's not that hard to do from a scheme standpoint. His Offense isn't based on deception, it's based on conflict and exploiting that conflict on the fly and executing the options that present themselves. As Nico grows more you are seeing the Offense become what it should be.

Butch's offense ran through the QB. there too was a greater demand on the RB. Which is hugely ironic that RB's want to play in that system versus this, which rotates RB's, and uses pulling, and creates large chunk plays (supposedly). QB is asked to be cerebral, know the defense. WR's are just as important, as TE's. The C is QB of the line.

Which one of those is more in line with an NFL system?

Huepel knows his team well. Ins and outs, stelnghths and weaknesses. He still knows what he wants to do. With Hyatt he wanted movement, creating mismatches.

The only real criticisms I have with this years offense: Other than the crappy WR and PB woes are:

1: Lack of off tackle runs. Pin and pull is term Ive heard. We run it to perfection. We have a speedster. We can beat 80% of teams to edge.

2: We run tons of PA. Vandy bit on it. Georgia had athleticism to make up. Time and again we see Nico make plays off kilter. He is a killer off RPO. Thornton's best route is crossing route. Why, do cram go routes down throat?

Loved what we did versus Vandy. Design Nico a run. Much like Pavia, it gives him confidence. Slap in helmet so to speak. Wakes him up. Pull ball, make them account. Then boom! TD!

3: Red zone woes: ditto. hard to criticize here bc of controlling clock. But when we are down 19-14 you gotta find that hot route.

It took us 12 games to find Sampson in passing game check down, 5 yards. 3rd and 2. Run it, keep it, check down, bomb pass, slant, TE wheel, 4th and 1.

Much more attainable.

 

[volinbama256]

A lot of Oline, WR's, and several DT's already in the portal... hopefully we take advantage and get what we need... no excuse not to...

If FL can flip 11 guys in 15 days and either be at or ahead of us in recruiting, then we should be pulling in the talent we want and need. We're in the freakin playoffs Go Get 'Em!

 

[rikberry31]

Hahahaha im right there with you. That illogical mindset is what will get bama into the playoff. We should play this game on paper since h2h isnt important.

It is a classic case of the committee speak brainwashing fans. Beating a team head to head has very little to say about whether that teams is better or not. Margin of victory against middle school teams and the condition of the turf on their field are more telling about a team's quality. Give me a freaking break.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

Butch's offense ran through the QB. there too was a greater demand on the RB. Which is hugely ironic that RB's want to play in that system versus this, which rotates RB's, and uses pulling, and creates large chunk plays (supposedly). QB is asked to be cerebral, know the defense. WR's are just as important, as TE's. The C is QB of the line.

Which one of those is more in line with an NFL system?

Huepel knows his team well. Ins and outs, stelnghths and weaknesses. He still knows what he wants to do. With Hyatt he wanted movement, creating mismatches.

The only real criticisms I have with this years offense: Other than the crappy WR and PB woes are:

1: Lack of off tackle runs. Pin and pull is term Ive heard. We run it to perfection. We have a speedster. We can beat 80% of teams to edge.

2: We run tons of PA. Vandy bit on it. Georgia had athleticism to make up. Time and again we see Nico make plays off kilter. He is a killer off RPO. Thornton's best route is crossing route. Why, do cram go routes down throat?

Loved what we did versus Vandy. Design Nico a run. Much like Pavia, it gives him confidence. Slap in helmet so to speak. Wakes him up. Pull ball, make them account. Then boom! TD!

3: Red zone woes: ditto. hard to criticize here bc of controlling clock. But when we are down 19-14 you gotta find that hot route.

It took us 12 games to find Sampson in passing game check down, 5 yards. 3rd and 2. Run it, keep it, check down, bomb pass, slant, TE wheel, 4th and 1.

Much more attainable.

Pin and pull is a Gap Scheme where pullers and pinners are based off Def alignment and not predetermined. Some of Nicos runs are this type, some are reads. Sometimes the route choices are based off whether middle of field is open or closed and sometimes based on QBs accuracy and execution throwing inside. As an earlier poster stated, Freshman QB not the best situation in this type of Offense as a rule. Only cure is game reps and time.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I do have this hope that Florida is having this recent success recruiting because they’re being the highest bidder. Which we’ve seen isn’t the best way to build a roster.

 

[rikberry31]

In 2022 with no running clock Tennessee ran 945 plays in a 13 game season little over 72 plays per game.

In 2024 playing 12 games so far Tennessee has ran 888 plays an average of 74 plays per game.

The fact is that on average teams are running 10 fewer plays per game with the new rules. When was the last time a team ran 90 plays in a game, 2022.

 

[peaygolf]

December 3, 1938

UT - 47
Ole Miss - 0

20,000 fans jammed in to Crump Stadium in Memphis to see the Vols play Ole Miss. Pappy Wallen scored, Bill Luttrell blocked a punt , and “Bad News” Cafego ran wild, but it was the defense that stole the show. The Vols D held Southern scoring leader Parker Hall at bay all game, as UT shutout the Rebs 47-0.

 

[Garren04]

I do have this hope that Florida is having this recent success recruiting because they’re being the highest bidder. Which we’ve seen isn’t the best way to build a roster.

Pretty sure UF insiders said the plan was to take the buyout money to portal spending.

 

[knoxvol52]

The fact is that on average teams are running 10 fewer plays per game with the new rules. When was the last time a team ran 90 plays in a game, 2022.

Ever how you want to spin it..

 

[Jack Burton]

I hit a personal wall…nothing clinical. Compounded with being too invested in our team’s fortunes and (lately) unexpected drama with my daughter over the election, has me taking a relative step back. Considering my considerable posting history, that still puts me in the “has no life” category. Thanks for caring. Posters like yourself are comforting with the board losing Oda.

Send her this gif. Both sides seem to like it.

 

[LoudOrange]

December 3, 1938

UT - 47
Ole Miss - 0

20,000 fans jammed in to Crump Stadium in Memphis to see the Vols play Ole Miss. Pappy Wallen scored, Bill Luttrell blocked a punt , and “Bad News” Cafego ran wild, but it was the defense that stole the show. The Vols D held Southern scoring leader Parker Hall at bay all game, as UT shutout the Rebs 47-0.

Pretty sure that defense wasn't scored on all year.

 

[VolGee4]

Yeah, I don’t get the arguing if Indiana deserves to be in the playoffs or not . Any Big 10 or SEC team finishes the season with only 1 loss will be in the playoffs

It’s worth a discussion because conference expansion has created such unbalanced schedules. Indiana played 1! (and lost) of the other top 6 in their conference and 3 of the top 11. They only beat one team who had a conference winning record, and Michigan had to beat OSU to do that.

 

[peaygolf]

Pretty sure that defense wasn't scored on all year.

the following year (1939)

'38 team gave up 16 pts.......and was probably the better overall team.