Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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mr.checkerboards said:
As well as an enforced salary cap
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While that may occur at some point, I don't see that as being necessary to becoming a crab. The MLB doesn't have one, for example.

Just sign 4 year contracts. Kids are in, then out. If they choose to be an FA after 4 years with an extra season, fine.

It would still cut down the complete and utter free agency currently happening by 90%. Which is the real concern - the inability to stabilize and know your roster just a few months down the road. No sport has this as their model. They have contracts and some "knowns" in roster management.
 
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Devo182 said:
I don't see that as being necessary though.

Just sign 4 year contracts. Kids are in, then out. If they choose to be an FA after 4 years, fine.

It would still cut down the complete and utter free agency currently happening by 90%. Which is the real concern - the inability to stabilize and know your roster mere months later. No sport has this as their model. They have contracts and some "knowns" in roster management.
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Not disagreeing, but I think if you equality and multiple contenders you'll have to add a cap, if not you'll have the same 10-15 schools giving big contracts to the best and everyone else will be left with scraps. So you're not really fixing anything.
 
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De La Cloobs said:
So Ohio State bought a championship, Oregon and Miami basically buy who they want, and players constantly being recruited while at other schools. I love the NIL era, but it can't keep going on like this. Is there anything in the works to keep this reasonable, or are the highest bidders always going to rule?
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I respect the concerns, but this has always been the case in some aspect or another. Bear Bryant and Jonny Majors dominated when you could overload rosters. Go look at some of their original roster sizes. Phil was buying Foster tacos which we all know included more. USC lost their title over their actions. Saban OWNED the dealership that all his players were driving Chargers from. How did UT try and catchup before Spyre? McDonald's bags.

The issue is not the money as it will always be the primary agency for winning. The issue is the portal allows too many renegotiations. Which puts the inflation of the costs onto an unsustainable trajectory. The issue is until the market reaches that equilibrium it won't stop.

The good news is we are a top 10 revenue school. Have a well funded and managed NIL (Salute to Spyre and guys like @Ericvol2096 ). We also have a coach that seems to have a solid strategy to navigate it all.

Yes some coaches need to be less dependent on NIL to recruit and yes there needs to be limits to portal entries, but cash will always be king.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Not disagreeing, but I think if you equality and multiple contenders you'll have to add a cap, if not you'll have the same 10-15 schools giving big contracts to the best and everyone else will be left with scraps. So you're not really fixing anything.
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What are we trying to fix?

I thought it was the constant transferring/pure free agency and inability to manage rosters long-term.

If it is certain teams winning over and over, well we just had 2 B1G teams disrupt the 20 year SEC domination. One team hadn't won in a quarter century, the other had 2 prior titles the last 55 years...

And lack of parity has always been a part of CFB, but it gradually shifts and transforms, but there will always be a top group and the rest like Vandy and UK, etc, then the G5s, and so on.

All of this just used to be controlled by 100% under the table payments and it no longer is.
 
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Devo182 said:
What are we trying to fix?

I thought it was the constant transferring and inability to manage rosters.

If it is certain teams winning over and over, well we just had 2 B1G teams disrupt the 20 year SEC domination. One team hadn't won in a quarter century, the other had 2 prior titles the last 55 years...
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I guess it's depends on who you ask, but I thought half the reason for NIL was it bringing more parity to the sport.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I guess it's depends on who you ask, but I thought half the reason for NIL was it bringing more parity to the sport.
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The entire reason for NIL is...it is law and had to be allowed (the unis and ncaa be damned). The prior setup was illegal.

All citizens deserve the right to profit from their own NIL, unless agreed to otherwise.


Any other "reasons" are made up. It simply had to be allowed and was the legally and ethically correct decision.
 
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Devo182 said:
The entire reason for NIL is...it is law and had to be allowed (the unis and ncaa be damned). The prior setup was illegal.

All citizens deserve the right to profit from their own NIL, unless agreed to otherwise.


Any other "reasons" are made up. It simply had to be allowed and was the legally and ethically correct decision.
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The only counterpoint I would make is most players aren't actually being paid for their name, image, and likeness. They're being paid to play football for a school. Actual name, image, and likeness have very little to do with it. It's just a convenient work around.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
A person interviews for a job. They have incredible qualifications. You hire them. They turn out to be the best employee you've ever had, making your company tens of thousands of dollars more than expected. . .

Then you find out they lied about all their qualifications, including college degrees. . .

Is it fahr'n time?
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Nope. Don't care. Performance matters.

I also like the show Suits.
 
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Devo182 said:
The entire reason for NIL is...it is law and had to be allowed (the unis and ncaa be damned). The prior setup was illegal.

All citizens deserve the right to profit from their own NIL, unless agreed to otherwise.


Any other "reasons" are made up. It simply had to be allowed and was the legally and ethically correct decision.
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For NIL, sure. There is virtually zero proof that the money being paid has any relation to the marketing value of these players. How many cans of beets you gotta sell to justify the money being paid to Nico?

You can argue that the success of a football team directly relates to the growth of the school and the local hospitality industry, but it is a far stretch to say that the Name, Image, or Likeness of football players has anything to do with that. A winning team full of nameless guys you've never seen or heard of would produce virtually the same result. As some point the distinction between being paid to play vs being paid for the promotional value of your NIL will get made, and the salary/bonus vs NIL differentiation will get made.
 
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Devo182 said:
The entire reason for NIL is...it is law and had to be allowed (the unis and ncaa be damned). The prior setup was illegal.

All citizens deserve the right to profit from their own NIL, unless agreed to otherwise.


Any other "reasons" are made up. It simply had to be allowed and was the legally and ethically correct decision.
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Not really. Players are not being paid for NIL. They are being played to play football. Tell what Nico does outside of football that is worth a million dollars to the company(s) that are paying him.
 
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