Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[knoxvol52]

Science Hill/ETSU alum will be starting pitcher for the Dodgers in that game.

Correct, Landon Knack I believe .

 

[Orange.]

Have any of you Morans been to Poland? I have a work trip coming up. I couldn't find an Applebee's anywhere in Poland when I did a google search.

I've been to Krakow. Loved it.

 

[knoxvol52]

M

Hate it for him, I think JRam takes him "Yard", tonight

 

[Weezer]

On the other hand, you're begging the question as to how football is "meant to be played". It's subjective. And you can't even use 'history' as a standard, as the game has already evolved tremendously from the days when players were dying from game impacts. It's kind of arrogant, actually. You are neither a player, coach or owner, yet you want to define for them what they need to endure to play the game.




Let's return that serve to you.

If you don't like the rule changes, go watch _______.

Let's wrap 'em all up in bubble wrap.

Seriously, it's kind of arrogant on your part to suggest that fans, the actual consumers of sports entertainment, should have no voice. Football is a billion-dollar industry because fans support it. Sure, Tits McGee could just stop watching, but he has every right to voice an opinion on the product he helps enable. If everyone stopped watching, they no longer have a profession. Was it arrogant to decry New Coke? Hell no. New Coke sucked. So if a fan wants to speak up about rule changes they disagree with, I see no arrogance in voicing an opinion.

 

[screenthis]

Lamar is one of the most overrated QBs in the NFL

What the heck, Lamar...don't you be killing my fantasy football team.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

If that doesn't tickle your fancy, the Dodgers play the Guardians at 10:00 p.m.

 

[Orange.]

Ireland, or NZ.

Swing and a miss.

 

[knoxvol52]

College Football will adopt the kickoff procedure that the NFL is using this year within the next year or two. College Football copycats all the NFL rules .

 

[Orange.]

Narnia

 

[Jackcrevol]

Swing and a miss. 0-1 count.

Amish*

 

[butchna]

College Football will adopt the kickoff procedure that the NFL is using this year within the next year or two. College Football copycats all the NFL rules .

Not the down by contact rule…so I doubt they take up this mess.

 

[VolGee4]

That's all you got? That is

I know that’s all you got. I was waiting for the emojis.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Let's wrap 'em all up in bubble wrap.

Seriously, it's kind of arrogant on your part to suggest that fans, the actual consumers of sports entertainment, should have no voice. Football is a billion-dollar industry because fans support it. Sure, Tits McGee could just stop watching, but he has every right to voice an opinion on the product he helps enable. If everyone stopped watching, they no longer have a profession. Was it arrogant to decry New Coke? Hell no. New Coke sucked. So if a fan wants to speak up about rule changes they disagree with, I see no arrogance in voicing an opinion.

I posted just the opposite per fans' voice and right to opinion. I actually specifically covered that in the latter part of the post, and when I encouraged folks to go watch something else in this free country of ours.

And I never said that average folks don't need to offer an opinion. The post I answered (and made explicit in the answer) was some more of @Ulysees E. McGill's black/white opinion stated as fact telling players to either play the game like he wants, or go do something else. Well, in this world of ours, maybe it's him that needs to go do something else.

And the 'wrap them in bubble-wrap/flag football' comments are hyperbolic slippery-slope fallacies. That's usually a pretty good indication that folks are presenting a bad argument.

 

[Weezer]

Salary is generally driven by profits generated for owners/investors/etc, and generally increases as the employee displays skills/talents/knowledge that can't be easily replaced by cheaper workers that would still bring in comparable profits. "Danger" is a red herring, unless it's affecting management's ability to find skilled people willing to do the job.

It seems that the NFL has to respond to player concerns of long-term health, and I'm assuming that this is a collective agreement between owners and the players' union, as a response to more recent discoveries of the effects of repeated head trauma in the game. Those two groups seem the most 'reasonable' groups to define what's 'reasonable' safety measures.

We can disagree. Maybe even disagree enough to stop watching. If that happens with enough people, it'll effect the NFL's bottom line at which point they'd need to change back.

But at the end of the day, I won't personally begrudge the players wanting to less danger in the game, even if they are getting rich doing it.

We're going to disagree. They provide a product. Consumers have a right to voice their opinion on that product. FFS, these guys make millions of dollars to play a game. A game. Meanwhile, we send our military off to war making a pittance in comparison. It's hard for me to sympathize with the plight of the football player. Do they risk serious injury? Absolutely. But they know that going in. It's not something we just discovered. For all this crap about "we didn't know", that's bull ****. Common sense has always said in a sport with violent contact, serious injury is a possibility.

 

[Orange_Crush]

We're going to disagree. They provide a product. Consumers have a right to voice their opinion on that product. FFS, these guys make millions of dollars to play a game. A game. Meanwhile, we send our military off to war making a pittance in comparison. It's hard for me to sympathize with the plight of the football player. Do they risk serious injury? Absolutely. But they know that going in. It's not something we just discovered. For all this crap about "we didn't know", that's bull ****. Common sense has always said in a sport with violent contact, serious injury is a possibility.

It's really OK if we disagree.

As mentioned, I generally recognize market forces. There are far more people in the country that can soldier than there are elite athletes, which is likely the driving factor in the pay disparity. If we want to become a full-on socialist/communist country, then write some laws giving the military more money, and limiting what pro athletes can make. I guess...?

But again, 'danger' of a job only really matters when it affects the other market forces.

 

[knoxvol52]

In 2023 almost 80% of kickoffs were touchbacks. This new rule is no big deal cuts back on injuries and actually teams attempt to advance the ball.

 

[screenthis]

We're going to disagree. They provide a product. Consumers have a right to voice their opinion on that product. FFS, these guys make millions of dollars to play a game. A game. Meanwhile, we send our military off to war making a pittance in comparison. It's hard for me to sympathize with the plight of the football player. Do they risk serious injury? Absolutely. But they know that going in. It's not something we just discovered. For all this crap about "we didn't know", that's bull ****. Common sense has always said in a sport with violent contact, serious injury is a possibility.

Might I suggest Flag Football?

 

[utkevdawg1]

Name this country. (Might surprise.)

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France?

 

[SSVol]

This is like the NCAA turning a blind eye to NIL. The NFL product had an injury problem. Yes, football is inherently dangerous. So is crossing the street, but cities put crosswalks and signs to reduce bad situations. The NFL didn’t stick their head in the sand and decided to tweak their billions dollar company. People still watch…in the millions. Free to believe what you want, but they are protecting their asset.

Fine line between some modern attitudes about contact sports and offering a thumbs down as gladiators fought to the death. Excessive violence and injury doesn't make the sport better, but apparently it appeals to some of our baser instincts.

 

[VolGee4]

We're going to disagree. They provide a product. Consumers have a right to voice their opinion on that product. FFS, these guys make millions of dollars to play a game. A game. Meanwhile, we send our military off to war making a pittance in comparison. It's hard for me to sympathize with the plight of the football player. Do they risk serious injury? Absolutely. But they know that going in. It's not something we just discovered. For all this crap about "we didn't know", that's bull ****. Common sense has always said in a sport with violent contact, serious injury is a possibility.

Fans do have a voice- watching or not watching. Simple economics.

I know crossing the street can kill me. Do I expect to get killed? No.

There is some common ground in all of this, but some just don’t like to consider it.

 

[Weezer]

I posted just the opposite per fans' voice and right to opinion. I actually specifically covered that in the latter part of the post, and when I encouraged folks to go watch something else in this free country of ours.

And I never said that average folks don't need to offer an opinion. The post I answered (and made explicit in the answer) was some more of @Ulysees E. McGill's black/white opinion stated as fact telling players to either play the game like he wants, or go do something else. Well, in this world of ours, maybe it's him that needs to go do something else.

And the 'wrap them in bubble-wrap/flag football' comments are hyperbolic slippery-slope fallacies. That's usually a pretty good indication that folks are presenting a bad argument.

There is no fallacy in saying the game is getting softer. That is fact. They've eliminated the big hits, gone to great lengths to protect QBs, as "violent" as the game is, it's nowhere near as violent as it once was. There is a clear progression toward more of a flag football approach. Will it ever reach flag football? No idea. But it certainly has progressed in that direction.

 

[engineerVOL]

Someone said “don’t use pumpkin spice in your deer feeders!”

 

[Orange_Crush]

There is no fallacy in saying the game is getting softer. That is fact. They've eliminated the big hits, gone to great lengths to protect QBs, as "violent" as the game is, it's nowhere near as violent as it once was. There is a clear progression toward more of a flag football approach. Will it ever reach flag football? No idea. But it certainly has progressed in that direction.

I didn't quote "getting softer" as a fallacy. There were specific comments that I called hyperbolic and fallacious.

The rest of your post just agreed that the comments that I *did* single out were hyperbolic and then doubled down on the slippery slope aspect that I mentioned.

 

[Weezer]

It's really OK if we disagree.

As mentioned, I generally recognize market forces. There are far more people in the country that can soldier than there are elite athletes, which is likely the driving factor in the pay disparity. If we want to become a full-on socialist/communist country, then write some laws giving the military more money, and limiting what pro athletes can make. I guess...?

But again, 'danger' of a job only really matters when it affects the other market forces.

I want to see our military hold out and demand a higher salary when Congress issues a declaration of war.

 

[jave36]

In 2023 almost 80% of kickoffs were touchbacks. This new rule is no big deal cuts back on injuries and actually teams attempt to advance the ball.

Exactly. I'd wager we'll get more attempts at a return than last year when the season stats are finalized.