Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[VolNRaleighNC]

I’ll be surprised if this happens. We’re seeing “Loyal to a fault” play out in front of our eyes.

Yeah, I think that will ultimately be his undoing. Never do business with close friends and family.

 

[99Vol]

Lb and S are absolutely putrid.

It’s not just speed to me either, 7 is extremely overrated by our fan base. His instincts and positional awareness are very poor when the other team has movement and uses the middle of the field. 22 plays hard but like 35 he has physical limitations.

I think Spillman has the highest ceiling of any LB on the current roster. Need to get some turnkey athletes to plug at safety or we will be in same position. There is a reason 2 couldn’t get on the field at Ohio state.

Arion will be good, LB is arguably the hardest position on defense. Same was said on here about Beasley when he was a sophomore and he turned out to be very good for us but doesn’t have nearly the potential as Carter’s size and athleticism… patience.

 

[KPT_VFL]

As much money as he is bringing in and charging the fans, no way any school should have double or triple our NiL budget.

Exactly. I really think DW and Heup get it right. Some will dog Heup but he can get it done here. We need to keep stacking talent and 9-10 win seasons. 9-10 wins gets you in the playoff and is not bad considering the super conference schedules.

 

[Orange_Crush]

 

[tnhunter 10]

Yesterday was a good day for Ohio State. Beat the piss out of us in football and KY in basketball.

 

[jakez4ut]

As unfortunate as it is, money is driving this. I don't know if it's a lack of money or an unwillingness to spend it. Players are cashing in and who can blame them? In today's game you have to purchase your rosters. Are we willing to do that?

Program loyalty seems to be as strong as the amount on the check. I'm not sure playing for the logo is much of a thing anymore.

When NC hired BB, I thought it was stupid but I'm rethinking it. It may be a genious move. Head coaches now need to be more roster managers than ever before. He's going to set that program up as a professional team. His staff will mimick a professional organization. Let's face it, college is now professional, no amateur about it.

Yup.i think our approach has been more of a 'total value package' vs just the nil $. And it's worked in a lot of cases. But for others, it doesn't... I've lauded our unwillingness to not do the bidding war thing, for a lot of the reasons you mention.

But this thing is different now and college football is professional. So it does take some recalibration of the mindset.

 

[GVol1966]

Exactly. I really think DW and Heup get it right. Some will dog Heup but he can get it done here. We need to keep stacking talent and 9-10 win seasons. 9-10 wins gets you in the playoff and is not bad considering the super conference schedules.

Absolutely not should be our goal.
9 wins may get you into the playoffs but will more likely get you left out.

 

[KPT_VFL]

There is a fine line in recruiting in the NIL era. You can get in a bad way just blindly throwing around money (Texas A&M a few years ago) but if you are too conservative you will get left in the dust. I think Heup leans on the side of caution to not get a culture problem and recruits quality kids. I think we need to get a little more aggressive with our NIL and take some more calculated risks. We have to break into that top 5 talent range to have a shot at titles.


That being said we still have lots of lower rated kids playing and it showed. Think it’s been mentioned before but our “overall roster talent” is like 15th or so. Ohio St is most likely top 3-5. We have got to continue stacking talent and developing it at the same time. Ellarbee is a total liability. No reason to be in year 4 and not starting one of your recruits.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Absolutely not should be our goal.
9 wins may get you into the playoffs but will more likely get you left out.

No it’s not the goal but it’s the reality of college football now. OSU was a 10 win team as of yesterday as were many other playoff teams. The goal is to win every game but we aren’t in a talent situation to do that yet. 4 years ago we were 7-6 Ohio State has won 10 games for a number of years in a row. We have to build off the consistency. We will eventually breakthrough.

 

[jakez4ut]

So far it hasn’t been a fault.

Doesn’t mean it won’t be moving forward.

But we went from poop seasons to 30-9 over the last three.

A point that shouldn't get lost in all this.... We're not elite yet. We're light years from where we were when we fired Pruitt. Playoffs in year 4---best Bama and Florida twice... Wins over LSU and Clemson...

Still behind UGA/OSU type programs... Way ahead of a lot of other programs.

 

[Jack Burton]

So far it hasn’t been a fault.

Doesn’t mean it won’t be moving forward.

But we went from poop seasons to 30-9 over the last three.

It’s already a problem with OL recruiting and development though. We’ve come a long way but need to make tough decisions to take the next step.

 

[peaygolf]

Man.......People on twitter are making apocalyptic jokes...................................................like there's no tomorrow

 

[GVol1966]

No it’s not the goal but it’s the reality of college football now. OSU was a 10 win team as of yesterday as were many other playoff teams. The goal is to win every game but we aren’t in a talent situation to do that yet. 4 years ago we were 7-6 Ohio State has won 10 games for a number of years in a row. We have to build off the consistency. We will eventually breakthrough.

It’s 2024. The 10 year approach to going from 7-6 to 10-2 consistently is as outdated as the wishbone.

Indiana went from 100 years of 7-6 to 10-2 with a first year coach and 30 transfers.

Made the playoffs. Lost to OSU bout the same as us.

From Pruitt to 2022 was a giant leap.
From 2022 we’ve been talking baby steps.

If we are serious about competing with UGA, Ohio st , etc. it’s time to take big boy
Steps in the offseason

 

[headhunter15]

Chip Kelly called a perfect game last night. Surprised no teams have contacted him. Everything Ohio St. did from formations, shifts, and audibles was near perfect.

 

[MemphisVol3]

With a healthy HH?

I think we could beat anyone that year, even moreso this year, on a neutral field. I truly think that was a top-3 team. Compared to this year's teams, it could be the frontrunner.

Yeah we’d likely be undefeated going into the OSU game with a healthy Hooker. This defense was better than what he had.

 

[rikberry31]

Well that sucked. The early injuries were a killer. Losing Sampson was devastating.
Defensely, early we decided to play soft zone. I think that was a mistake, we should have play it like Michigan. The defense played better when we went more tight man. That said OSU had some dudes and some stuff definitely went their way. I think the biggest play of the was the facemask call, I think it changed the complexion of the game.
Sucked, but we're getting there.

 

[jave36]

It’s 2024. The 10 year approach to going from 7-6 to 10-2 consistently is as outdated as the wishbone.

Indiana went from 100 years of 7-6 to 10-2 with a first year coach and 30 transfers.

Made the playoffs. Lost to OSU bout the same as us.

From Pruitt to 2022 was a giant leap.
From 2022 we’ve been talking baby steps.

If we are serious about competing with UGA, Ohio st , etc. it’s time to take big boy
Steps in the offseason

Not a great analogy with Indiana. They'd be 7-5 against our schedule. They didn't take big boy steps needed to compete for titles, they just stepped out of the dumpster up to decent and lucked out with their schedule.

Once you get to ten wins, I don't think you can do more than baby steps forward without many extra millions in NIL.

 

[MemphisVol3]

There is a fine line in recruiting in the NIL era. You can get in a bad way just blindly throwing around money (Texas A&M a few years ago) but if you are too conservative you will get left in the dust. I think Heup leans on the side of caution to not get a culture problem and recruits quality kids. I think we need to get a little more aggressive with our NIL and take some more calculated risks. We have to break into that top 5 talent range to have a shot at titles.


That being said we still have lots of lower rated kids playing and it showed. Think it’s been mentioned before but our “overall roster talent” is like 15th or so. Ohio St is most likely top 3-5. We have got to continue stacking talent and developing it at the same time. Ellarbee is a total liability. No reason to be in year 4 and not starting one of your recruits.

OSU is #3 behind UGA #2 and Bama #1 when they showed that overall roster talent. Texas was #4

 

[Revived2002]

People say Harbaugh cheated, and maybe he did - I can’t say for sure

But Michigan did stick with Harbaugh a really long time, through many bowl blowouts and hard losses to OSU

He finally and steadily built a national championship roster with tons of NFL talent out of classes frequently ranked in the 8 to 15 range. Took him nine years I think.

That’s the path for Tennessee, cheating aside. Patient, steady. Learn from the losses and keep building.

This program needs stability to win at a high level. Our history makes that clear.

 

[GVol1966]

Not a great analogy with Indiana. They'd be 7-5 against our schedule. They didn't take big boy steps needed to compete for titles, they just stepped out of the dumpster up to decent and lucked out with their schedule.

Once you get to ten wins, I don't think you can do more than baby steps forward without many extra millions in NIL.

Hard to believe we’re that much better when we played a common opponent and got whooped the same.
Sorry but SEC was down big time this year.
Our schedule was not especially tough.

 

[JCVol00]

Also, Danny White can take that 10% talent fee and shove it up his a$$ for all I care

 

[MarcoVol]

Also, Danny White can take that 10% talent fee and shove it up his a$$ for all I care

You don’t have to pay it. Don’t attend games.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Also, Danny White can take that 10% talent fee and shove it up his a$$ for all I care

im just glad that my personal melt down posts arent the worst takes on this board.

 

[engineerVOL]

 

[Revived2002]

I think the SEC’s talent is now diluted across many teams, rather than being top-heavy like the Big Ten. I’m not sure talent dilution is possible in the Big Ten. The top programs are light years above the rest. This may be to their advantage. The Texas schools are only ones with the unlimited resources to buy their way to the top year in and year out, so maybe they become the standard bearers of a new SEC.

I’m not sure college football is better or more interesting for all of this.