Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

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Shelton and Crawley.

Shelton ended up at USC, so they probably would have swiped him from us anyways.
 
#2,477
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Issues with the defense.

I think it's several things.

1. I think that they have tried to do too much this year and it has created too much confusion. Players all talked in the spring and this off-season about how complicated the system was and then the decision to not pair the system down was a bad one. The result of that now in my opinion is that they have lost confidence and it shows.

2. I think schematically there are issues. I think they are asking players to do things they can't do. These corners can't play man coverage. They don't have the speed to run with receivers and don't have confidence to play man coverage in my opinion. I also think they are asking AJ Johnson to do too much. You look at the draw plays and he's the only guy in the middle of the field. Trying to fight off an OL block to make that play is not easy to do. They also can't get to the quarterback with any kind of consistency whether it's DL pressure or blitzes. Yesterday, they ran a ton of stunts and the DL took themselves out of some plays. I don't see the advantage to run stunts and twists with a guy like McCullers. To me he's a guy who just pushes the line of scrimmage. I don't see the value in him running a stunt.

I think that schematically it puts too much stress on guys to make plays that they can't consistently make.
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-Hubbs
 
#2,478
#2,478
Looking ahead to next Saturday, I think we need to score close to 40 to win.

I think they will score in the high thirties. Most teams seem to score 10 or 15 above their average against us. Franklin will look like an All American, but that will be the most he can help muster. They just don't have a lot of weapons.

I'm feeling slightly more confident we can do this, but we will see.
 
#2,480
#2,480
So - do we know if there were any prospective recruits at the homecoming game yesterday? How about next weekend - any word for the Mizzou game? I'm sure Dools has somebody lined up doesn't he? Got to get that roster built if he is going to have a good team next season.
 
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allvol_12 said:
Shelton and Crawley.

Shelton ended up at USC, so they probably would have swiped him from us anyways.
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Think it was Shelton, and he grew up an Eric Berry fan. Tennessee gave the boy a cold shoulder. Just stupid......I don't know what this staff is ever thinking. They offer good guys late and take sleepers for days. Just dumb to me. The secondary class couldve/should've been:

Gray, Bonner, Shelton, McNeil, and another Safety or cornerback. They knew Lanier's grades were jacked up. Also they knew we were weak at CB. Taking only two to help solve the problem was dumb. I just don't get it personally.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Think it was Shelton, and he grew up an Eric Berry fan. Tennessee gave the boy a cold shoulder. Just stupid......I don't know what this staff is ever thinking. They offer good guys late and take sleepers for days. Just dumb to me. The secondary class couldve/should've been:

Gray, Bonner, Shelton, McNeil, and another Safety or cornerback. They knew Lanier's grades were jacked up. Also they knew we were weak at CB. Taking only two to help solve the problem was dumb. I just don't get it personally.
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Crawley was the 4 star DC kid that they let go. He ended up having the grades to get in too.
 
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allvol_12 said:
Crawley was the 4 star DC kid that they let go. He ended up having the grades to get in too.
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This is part of my point from earlier. Right now, we have a chancellor that wants us to be another Vanderbilt and he doesn't care if it extends to the football field. Crawley may have been able to get in but Cheek said no. Izzy could have played this year for any other SEC school but UT. Cheek also doesn't want to pay a coach more than we are paying Dooley and he is fighting to keep Dooley. Hamilton laid down and accepted these new rules.

IMO, if Gov. Haslam can reconstruct a new BOT that cares about football (fire Cheek), and Hart fights for the money and benefits (i.e. getting borderline kids into school) that used to be there, we will get back to where we all want to be.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
This staff amazes me.......I liked Crawley too. Would fit the SEC with his frame.
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It's been stated that Lanier would have been eligible at any other SEC school, but Cheek is really hamstringing our AD. I wouldn't be surprised if Crawley wouldn't have been admitted here if we'd let him sign. My guess is that it was investigated and Cheek gave him a thumbs down.
 
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jjay2518 said:
It's been stated that Lanier would have been eligible at any other SEC school, but Cheek is really hamstringing our AD. I wouldn't be surprised if Crawley wouldn't have been admitted here if we'd let him sign. My guess is that it was investigated and Cheek gave him a thumbs down.
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Who can fire Cheek? This isn't Vanderbilt. Tennessee isn't known for marvelous academics. We're a powerhouse sports school.
 
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UTMark said:
This is part of my point from earlier. Right now, we have a chancellor that wants us to be another Vanderbilt and he doesn't care if it extends to the football field. Crawley may have been able to get in but Cheek said no. Izzy could have played this year for any other SEC school but UT. Cheek also doesn't want to pay a coach more than we are paying Dooley and he is fighting to keep Dooley. Hamilton laid down and accepted these new rules.
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This is all a theory by me.. I personally think that Cheek likes that the football team is down because the student body isn't as rowdy and there aren't as many parties these days with losses. Students are studying more and statistics are getting higher..
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
What I'm about to say, I'm sure I will get bashed for.

Say what you want but Hugh Freeze at Ole Miss is doing good things. I know they got their teeth kicked in by UGA in the 2nd half, but he's doing good things on the academics side of things. When he arrived, 25 players were below the GPA limit, so he started attending classes with kids, he even would help tutor them, now there is only 3 players under that limit. The GPA average for the team has increased almost a full point (1.0). That's very impressive. That just speaks volumes of his character. (I know most of you think he is dirty).

He may not be getting instant results, but if I'm an Ole Miss fan, I'm feeling good about where the program is headed.

Just an honest example.
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Don't know why people would think Freeze is dirty. He has won anything he had coached including girls high school basketball. He was on a different career path if the University of Memphis had hired him as women's basketball coach a few years back. He seems to be a good man, and he promotes his faith. For those who don't like that, we have a basketball coach who shares his inspiration and faith as well. It is a part of who we are.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Don't know why people would think Freeze is dirty. He has won anything he had coached including girls high school basketball. He was on a different career path if the University of Memphis had hired him as women's basketball coach a few years back. He seems to be a good man, and he promotes his faith. For those who don't like that, we have a basketball coach who shares his inspiration and faith as well. It is a part of who we are.
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He got off to a hot start in recruiting last year. He pulled Channing Ward at the UA game and put him on a decisive plan to get him academically eligible. Unbelievable. He has one of Carr's good friends committed right now. (MDjr.) The kid will be a pretty good back IMO. And I just remember people bashing him earlier in the year. I don't personally know enough about the man to degrade him. He played Bama pretty tough also.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Who can fire Cheek? This isn't Vanderbilt. Tennessee isn't known for marvelous academics. We're a powerhouse sports school.
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You're right, but because of Cheek, UT is no longer on a level playing field with the currently elite SEC schools, e.g. UF, Bama, USCjr, and UGA.

Things like making a C- equivalent to a D is actually a pretty big deal when you're trying to get kids qualified.
 
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Just watched a lot of the defensive plays in the second half several times. So much confusion.

On one play there were two db's lined up one on one & one db is playing zone & the other is playing man. They both ended up covering the wr on a crossing rt allowing the other wr to be uncovered for a 30 yd catch. The next play was the one handed catch for the long td which I have no idea what B Moore was doing. Instead of hitting the wr as soon as he caught it BM just ran right by the guy. I must've watched that play 10x & still can't figure out wtf he was thinking.

There was a 3rd & 1 where we're in nickel with 2 safteys 15 yds deep & 1 lb. Troy runs for 5 yds. ??

I don't know how many big plays we gave up where Troy spread us out & we have 1 lb in the middle responsible for the qb & rb. If a nickel back covered the rb out of the backfield on a passing play & the lone lb blitzed the qb would either run for a gain or throw a quick pass across the middle. On non blitzing plays the lone lb would either drop in coverage leaving the rb open in the flat or cover the rb leaving the middle of the field open for the qb to run or hit an easy pass. And we all saw how many times they had big plays on the rb draw where either the lone lb missed the tackle or got blocked by an olineman.

I'm not sure who should get the most blame but I do know that looks like a poorly coached defense. Whether the coaches aren't calling the best coverages or the players looking like they don't know what's going on it's ugly to watch. We've played nine games & still look lost.

I don't feel very good at all about being able to stop Mizzou since they like to spread it out like Troy did.
 
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AbarVolfan15 said:
This is all a theory by me.. I personally think that Cheek likes that the football team is down because the student body isn't as rowdy and there aren't as many parties these days with losses. Students are studying more and statistics are getting higher..
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Per Doug Matthews, this is fact.
 
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I'm all for improving the academics...but I really don't understand the idea of making up a new set of rules for yourself that no one else has to follow.

Even the "better" schools in the conference don't do it, so just why in the hell should we be doing it?

As an alum, I don't see it doing anything other than putting your athletics programs at an unnecessary competitive disadvantage.
 
#2,500
#2,500
For what it's worth from aubs board.

UT has been in touch with Gruden several times over the past month or so. JG has told UT that there were four things that had to be done. UT has begun to set the wheels in motion. Gruden has contacted former vol WR coach Kippy Brown and Tee Martin at USC. Gruden would keep Jay Graham as well. Also, there are plans to remove Jimmy Cheech.
 
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