Recruiting Forum: Football Talk II

[LynxVol]

I don't know how true the process to remove Cheek is, but the word is definitely out there with the right folks.

 

[UTMark]

For what it's worth from aubs board.

UT has been in touch with Gruden several times over the past month or so. JG has told UT that there were four things that had to be done. UT has begun to set the wheels in motion. Gruden has contacted former vol WR coach Kippy Brown and Tee Martin at USC. Gruden would keep Jay Graham as well. Also, there are plans to remove Jimmy Cheech.

Gruden, I'm sure, has talked to Fulmer who filled him in on this. Think about this - the start of his demise coincided with Joe Johnson and Doug Dickey retiring. It could still be that he got lazy, or it could be that the higher ups were already starting to suck.

 

[Tha Don]

For what it's worth from aubs board.

UT has been in touch with Gruden several times over the past month or so. JG has told UT that there were four things that had to be done. UT has begun to set the wheels in motion. Gruden has contacted former vol WR coach Kippy Brown and Tee Martin at USC. Gruden would keep Jay Graham as well. Also, there are plans to remove Jimmy Cheech.

Hmmm...interesting if true.

 

[WallyBalls]

Gruden, I'm sure, has talked to Fulmer who filled him in on this. Think about this - the start of his demise coincided with Joe Johnson and Doug Dickey retiring. It could still be that he got lazy, or it could be that the higher ups were already starting to suck.

It all kinda fits.

I started in 2001 over there...and the administration has been a never-emptying clown car ever since.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

This is part of my point from earlier. Right now, we have a chancellor that wants us to be another Vanderbilt and he doesn't care if it extends to the football field. Crawley may have been able to get in but Cheek said no. Izzy could have played this year for any other SEC school but UT. Cheek also doesn't want to pay a coach more than we are paying Dooley and he is fighting to keep Dooley. Hamilton laid down and accepted these new rules.

IMO, if Gov. Haslam can reconstruct a new BOT that cares about football (fire Cheek), and Hart fights for the money and benefits (i.e. getting borderline kids into school) that used to be there, we will get back to where we all want to be.

Fire cheek now!
I agree with coach Matthews, no admin support really hurts.

So Lanier and Crawley could play at uf?

 

[Ooltewah_Vol]

Gruden, I'm sure, has talked to Fulmer who filled him in on this. Think about this - the start of his demise coincided with Joe Johnson and Doug Dickey retiring. It could still be that he got lazy, or it could be that the higher ups were already starting to suck.

I'm sure Gruden is doing some serious research on our Athletic Dept. He would be crazy if he didn't after the past few years of how the program has been ran. As for the whole Fulmer / Hamilton issue, it has not been a secret that they did not get along and a good bit of that was due to Fulmer thinking Hamilton did not support the Athletic Dept like Dickey did.

 

[AbarVolfan15]

In case anyone hasn't seen the 2012-2013 edition.. It's great

YouTube

 

[Tenn Ted]

Who can fire Cheek? This isn't Vanderbilt. Tennessee isn't known for marvelous academics. We're a powerhouse sports school.

We are moving in the direction of being known for academics. Things have changed on the hill since Cheeks showed up. Not just anyone can get into UT anymore. For example, the grade point average for UT incoming freshmen in 2011 was 3.81 (year before it was 3.79 and that's higher than than Vanderbilt, last I heard) and the average ACT score was 26.5. 41% had straight A's in HS. I know a kid that had a 3.50 and an ACT of 24 that was denied admittance at UTK. They are encouraging kids that "under perform" in HS to go to a community college or one of the smaller campuses, now. Later on, if they want to, they can re-apply at UTK. It's Cheek's dream for UTK to become a Top 25 University in Academics.\

Stats come from here.
Class of 2014 Shows UT

 

[The Breakerboy]

We are moving in the direction of being known for academics. Things have changed on the hill since Cheeks showed up. Not just anyone can get into UT anymore. For example, the grade point average for UT incoming freshmen in 2011 was 3.81 (year before it was 3.79 and that's higher than than Vanderbilt, last I heard) and the average ACT score was 26.5. 41% had straight A's in HS. I know a kid that had a 3.50 and an ACT of 24 that was denied admittance at UTK. They are encouraging kids that "under perform" in HS to go to a community college or one of the smaller campuses, now. Later on, if they want to, they can re-apply at UTK. It's Cheek's dream for UTK to become a Top 25 University in Academics.\

Stats come from here.
Class of 2014 Shows UT

Wow are they serious, 3.5 and 24 are very good for an average person. Will they tell this idiot UTK isn't Harvard.

 

[Lexvol]

We are moving in the direction of being known for academics. Things have changed on the hill since Cheeks showed up. Not just anyone can get into UT anymore. For example, the grade point average for UT incoming freshmen in 2011 was 3.81 (year before it was 3.79 and that's higher than than Vanderbilt, last I heard) and the average ACT score was 26.5. 41% had straight A's in HS. I know a kid that had a 3.50 and an ACT of 24 that was denied admittance at UTK. They are encouraging kids that "under perform" in HS to go to a community college or one of the smaller campuses, now. Later on, if they want to, they can re-apply at UTK. It's Cheek's dream for UTK to become a Top 25 University in Academics.\

Stats come from here.
Class of 2014 Shows UT

I applaud the fact that we are striving for higher standards...but what is the real purpose of a land grant University?

 

[thunder5]

Those entrance standards went up when the Hope scholarship started...it's just a coincidence that Cheek showed up around the same time...he put all of his effort and UT's money into making UT a top 5 research facility and that has failed miserably...that will ultimately be what gets him fired

 

[jjay2518]

Fire cheek now!
I agree with coach Matthews, no admin support really hurts.

So Lanier and Crawley could play at uf?

Doug Matthews (I'm pretty sure it was him) said Lanier would have been enrolled still at any other SEC school. I was just speculating on Crawley since he got into another school after we told him to look around.

 

[UT_Tix79]

Supposedly Hart wants the AD's endowment to the Academic side to be removed so UT can afford payouts and new
Coaches. Cheek says that's not an option. If you remove 6-8 mil from the college, you have to layoff several employee's and tell Graduate students that they can't attend for the next year.

Cheek told Hart that he needs Donor support and/or cost cutting in the AD to support $$ issues. Taking money from athletics is not an option

 

[Tenn Ted]

I applaud the fact that we are striving for higher standards...but what is the real purpose of a land grant University?

I suspect the model the Board of Regents is following is the system in use in California. I think that schools there are on a tier system. UTK is considered the top tier and for the best students. The next tier is ETSU, Memphis, TTU, UTC and UT Martin and they get the next level of HS graduates. After that, comes the community colleges. Enrollment at the CC level has skyrocketed in recent years and the CCs have grown exponentially. Partially fueled by the difficulty in getting into the larger universities. It's still the land grant system, in that anyone in the state can get a college education. They are now just guiding people as to where they should go to get that education.

It makes sense that this would affect the Sports Program at UTK. Sounds to me like Cheek wants to be another Duke. If that's the case, then maybe we have seen the best days of Tennessee Football. I think you can get away with something like this with basketball (Obviously Duke has), because the teams are usually small. I don't think it's feasible with football, because of the number recruits needed every year. There are some really smart, top players out there, don't get me wrong, but one school is not going to be able to sign a bunch of them every year. That means we have to work with lesser caliber players with high academic standing. You don't see teams like that winning constantly in College Football and especially not in the SEC.

 

[StlCardinals2618]

I suspect the model the Board of Regents is following is the system in use in California. I think that schools there are on a tier system. UTK is considered the top tier and for the best students. The next tier is ETSU, Memphis, TTU, UTC and UT Martin and they get the next level of HS graduates. After that, comes the community colleges. Enrollment at the CC level has skyrocketed in recent years and the CCs have grown exponentially. Partially fueled by the difficulty in getting into the larger universities. It's still the land grant system, in that anyone in the state can get a college education. They are now just guiding people as to where they should go to get that education.

It makes sense that this would affect the Sports Program at UTK. Sounds to me like Cheek wants to be another Duke. If that's the case, then maybe we have seen the best days of Tennessee Football. I think you can get away with something like this with basketball (Obviously Duke has), because the teams are usually small. I don't think it's feasible with football, because of the number recruits needed every year. There are some really smart, top players out there, don't get me wrong, but one school is not going to be able to sign a bunch of them every year. That means we have to work with lesser caliber players with high academic standing. You don't see teams like that winning constantly in College Football and especially not in the SEC.

UF, Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Miami are all great academic universities and good football schools. There is no reason why UT can't be both either. Hell, Vandy and Stanford are top 10 in the country and are recruiting just as good as UT right now. Cheek and Hart just can't work together and compromise.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Random intelligent posters showing up in this thread (no slight to the regulars :hi: )

 

[Tenn Ted]

Random intelligent posters showing up in this thread (no slight to the regulars :hi: )

Don't cont me among the intelligent posters! Random yes, intelligent no. I failed to graduate from UT in the 80's sad to say, but I am VFL. To much card playing at the SU led to my demise. I do read a lot though and have a head for insignificant facts, according to my friends.

I come to this part of Volnation for the already intelligent posts! :salute: The Football Forum is nuts! This place is sane and has all the good info! And I ain't ready to buy into all the Gruden stuff being bandied about the Coaching Rumors Section. I do post from time to time in the Basketball Forum, too. I find it to be as sane as here in the Recruiting Forum. :yes:

 

[HankHill]

Funny how cheek increased tuition by like 300 dollars and just so happend to get a 26,000$ pay raise this year

 

[UTMark]

Those entrance standards went up when the Hope scholarship started...it's just a coincidence that Cheek showed up around the same time...he put all of his effort and UT's money into making UT a top 5 research facility and that has failed miserably...that will ultimately be what gets him fired

I agree with the Hope scholarship part and I hope you're right about Cheek getting fired.

 

[Vols4us]

A radical purging and return to the land grant university mission (as Lexvol states) would be a great start toward rebuilding a great university. The politics at UT is as much as the DC beltway. Which is a shame.

 

[theutvolunteers]

I suspect the model the Board of Regents is following is the system in use in California. I think that schools there are on a tier system. UTK is considered the top tier and for the best students. The next tier is ETSU, Memphis, TTU, UTC and UT Martin and they get the next level of HS graduates. After that, comes the community colleges. Enrollment at the CC level has skyrocketed in recent years and the CCs have grown exponentially. Partially fueled by the difficulty in getting into the larger universities. It's still the land grant system, in that anyone in the state can get a college education. They are now just guiding people as to where they should go to get that education.

It makes sense that this would affect the Sports Program at UTK. Sounds to me like Cheek wants to be another Duke. If that's the case, then maybe we have seen the best days of Tennessee Football. I think you can get away with something like this with basketball (Obviously Duke has), because the teams are usually small. I don't think it's feasible with football, because of the number recruits needed every year. There are some really smart, top players out there, don't get me wrong, but one school is not going to be able to sign a bunch of them every year. That means we have to work with lesser caliber players with high academic standing. You don't see teams like that winning constantly in College Football and especially not in the SEC.

Make UT a Duke? Seems like a bad idea.

 

[RM20]

How's everybody liking this AJ McCarron? Everyone was ready to trade Bray for this dude. Told you what he does with pressure on him to win.

He handled the pressure well when it mattered. Its tough when you lose your 2 best WRs before halftime.

The quick passes hurt Bama but also a missed TD to Cooper, fumble around the 10 yard line, and a fumbled PR. All of these were self-inflicted. I have no idea why Bama kept going away from the run, LSU couldnt stop it. Lacy avg 7.5 ypc., Yeldon 7 ypc.

 

[The Breakerboy]

He handled the pressure well when it mattered. Its tough when you lose your 2 best WRs before halftime.

The quick passes hurt Bama but also a missed TD to Cooper, fumble around the 10 yard line, and a fumbled PR. All of these were self-inflicted. I have no idea why Bama kept going away from the run, LSU couldnt stop it. Lacy avg 7.5 ypc., Yeldon 7 ypc.

LSU started stopping it late in the game. And you should thank Chavis for getting stupid late. I have no idea why he started playing off coverage. Also don't know why he took #28 out of coverage and started blitzing him. The boy was locking Norwoood up. But you know that's how it goes. Dangerous game for you all this week though. Texas A&M is hot and you have to play them after a hell game. Ask Georgia how it was to play South Carolina after running into us.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Grudenites starting to get nervy. More speculation coming out now that this was a pipe dream.

In before Dooley screwed the deal in 11th hour

 

[chavisut]

Misdirection, not worried.