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nicksjuzunk said:
But I bet you had no problem with the Pig pass against SC though... :whistling:

I get your point of view. It's valid. It's just one of those hindsight things to me, so I don't worry about it.
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I see what you are saying, but it would be hindsight to say I didn't have a problem with the play against SC because I did. Bray was something like 4/5 for 50 yards on that drive up to that point. I was screaming at the TV when they lined up in that formation. Running a trick play on 1st down freaked me out. But I also yell at them every time they line up in the "wildbeast", and that's worked almost every time. So what do I know.
 
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ionaVOL said:
Just leave 2 safeties deep. Boom, done, better game called.
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This! IF your corners are slow and can't play man coverage then why are we not always in a 2 -Deep? Also, if your CBs can't play man cover then why not run Zone? I took Sal 3 quarters to figure that out the other day before he finally ran the first Zone Coverage play... Also, we blitz and stunt for no sacks... IF you are bringing 5 or 6 and can't get to the QB, just drop 9 into coverage cause we sure as hell need the help...
 
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All you guys who said gruden already had an offer on the table and it was pretty much a done deal..what happened? Are y'all still standing by your statements?
 
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Tha Don said:
If they got some stops especially on 3rd and China, then they could decrease the number of snaps they play. IMO, the advantages of running the no huddle offense on offense outweigh the negatives.

There's a reason why Urban wanted to implement it into his offense AFTER beating Oklahoma in the NC game and Oregon runs it and Alabama at times and West Virginia. It forces D-coordinators into a game of cat n mouse where they are more likely to make mistakes.
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Our offense is built to play aggressive football. Our coaches slowed it down versus Bama and we scored 13 points for that scary playcalling. Not attacking Sunseri in pass coverage makes me laugh. We have enough talent to find the weakest link and go directly after it play after play. Nico Johnson on Rivera was a first down play after play. I don't understand it.
 
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Just listened to Dooley's presser and there were two tidbits I liked. One was that he said CP committted in practice last week to working with Bray on timing and he credited CP's performance on Saturday to that. If that's the case and CP does that again this week, watch out! I've been waiting for CP to explode and he might just be doing that.

The other was about the continued good chemistry of the team. If there's one thing I draw confidence from, it's that. These guys seem to be playing for each other and I think that more than anything may help us go bowling this year. Dooley deserves some credit on that front, because he did a lot to try and build team unity in the offseason.
 
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babyavi said:
what do you think should happen?
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I would just like to preface my statement with the admission that I am an idiot, and I have no idea what is the right thing to do. I also have changed my mind on this multiple times within the last month, so I have no consistency. With that being said...

There have been many... many... many claims about Gruden. Literally, from people who say they know a real estate agent looking for his house, to people saying they know the mother in law from church, who confirms he is coming. What we do not have is anything definitive, IMO. I personally take skeeter and LWS as high sources. Others have their moments, but they also have had their misses, so I don't take it as gospel. Skeeter and LWS say no dice.

Skeet says that the nonsense coming from beyond the athletic dept is nasty, and that any coach who would come in would inquire, and promptly say "no thanks." I cannot say that I fully understand what that is, or why it is a problem, but more intelligent folks do. What we would most likely have then would be a "take a chance" hire on somebody who thinks they can work beyond that... like Dooley did. That is a risk you cannot take, IMO. Dooley MAY be able to get it turned around if the freaking defense can perform next year, though I have many reasonable doubts.

If the situation at the top remains status quo, I would say keep Dooley. I have no idea what the right move is on the defense, but that is the major problem. I don't think it is possible for a defense to be that bad, and to just work itself out over the next year.

That's my story... and it will probably change.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
I would just like to preface my statement with the admission that I am an idiot, and I have no idea what is the right thing to do. I also have changed my mind on this multiple times within the last month, so I have no consistency. With that being said...

There have been many... many... many claims about Gruden. Literally, from people who say they know a real estate agent looking for his house, to people saying they know the mother in law from church, who confirms he is coming. What we do not have is anything definitive, IMO. I personally take skeeter and LWS as high sources. Others have their moments, but they also have had their misses, so I don't take it as gospel. Skeeter and LWS say no dice.

Skeet says that the nonsense coming from beyond the athletic dept is nasty, and that any coach who would come in would inquire, and promptly say "no thanks." I cannot say that I fully understand what that is, or why it is a problem, but more intelligent folks do. What we would most likely have then would be a "take a chance" hire on somebody who thinks they can work beyond that... like Dooley did. That is a risk you cannot take, IMO. Dooley MAY be able to get it turned around if the freaking defense can perform next year, though I have many reasonable doubts.

If the situation at the top remains status quo, I would say keep Dooley. I have no idea what the right move is on the defense, but that is the major problem. I don't think it is possible for a defense to be that bad, and to just work itself out over the next year.

That's my story... and it will probably change.
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could we fire only sunseri and hire another DC? or at that point should we sack everyone.
 
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While noone knows what could/would happen if Dooley is retained for 2013, I think Hart would need to chop about 10 million dollars off the revenue take for next year. JMO
 
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babyavi said:
could we fire only sunseri and hire another DC? or at that point should we sack everyone.
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If your a proven DC would you step into this mess on defense with a good possibility of it being a 1 year gig? I think hiring a good DC to work under Dooley would be near impossible. Why do you think we ended up hiring a LB coach this last time?
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
If your a proven DC would you step into this mess on defense with a good possibility of it being a 1 year gig? I think hiring a good DC to work under Dooley would be near impossible. Why do you think we ended up hiring a LB coach this last time?
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It would have to be someone who would remain on the next staff because any DC would require a 3-year deal. Kevin Steele, Dale Jones or Marion Hobby would make sense.
 
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babyavi said:
could we fire only sunseri and hire another DC? or at that point should we sack everyone.
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The problem there is we would have to buy out his contract at 1.5 million IIRC. Some have said he could be demoted to a position coach, but you could have serious staff chemistry problems, and players could take sides and divide as well.

Then, Dooley is not perceived to have good job security, so it would be a problem to get a quality coordinator in here. We would likely overpay, with the potential of having to let the staff go the following year, if we still can't get it together, and then multiple buyouts on top of Sal's. Then... the defense has to adjust again... and we see how that has gone this year.

An incredible risky move is if Dooley wins out, he could receive an extension, which would ease the perception of his job security and possibly lure a better DC. Of course we all know that at the very least, Dooley does not deserve an extension. An additional year to prove himself is the absolute best he deserves.

Next year is a beast of a schedule, but I just could not fathom Dooley not winning at least one of the big 5 games on his schedule... but then again, I said that this year, so as you can tell, I can't make up my freaking mind.
 
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OCIVol said:
It would have to be someone who would remain on the next staff because any DC would require a 3-year deal. Kevin Steele, Dale Jones or Marion Hobby would make sense.
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Would you not seriously hurt your chances with alot of coaches if Dooley needed to be replaced next year and the new coach was told he had to keep a DC for 2 more years?
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Would you not seriously hurt your chances with alot of coaches if Dooley needed to be replaced next year and the new coach was told he had to keep a DC for 2 more years?
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You would have to be extremely up front with the new hire and let them know that they may be demoted to a position coach if a new HC is hired. That's why I mentioned all 3 guys with UT ties. Also, Steele is unemployed and may take a 2-year deal.
 
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Neyland2nd2none said:
This is what I was saying 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Is the no huddle fast pace offense the main reason our offense is so productive? I don't think so. We can still be just as effective if we were to huddle or even remain no huddle but using more clock between snaps.

The defense needs all the help they can get & the less they're on the field the better. We have enough talent on offense to control the clock more if that's what we chose to do. JMO
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Offense is very reliant on rhythm and that is what our no huddle brings to the table rhythm. It is not a hurry up offense, so those who think it harms the defense are off base on this.
 
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Tux said:
Offense is very reliant on rhythm and that is what our no huddle brings to the table rhythm. It is not a hurry up offense, so those who think it harms the defense are off base on this.
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The offense is designed for big plays and to score quickly, that's how it takes a toll on the D because the D is back out on the field quickly. Does create something of a conundrum though. Who doesn't want quick scores and big plays?
 
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OCIVol said:
You would have to be extremely up front with the new hire and let them know that they may be demoted to a position coach if a new HC is hired. That's why I mentioned all 3 guys with UT ties. Also, Steele is unemployed and may take a 2-year deal.
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Steele would be worth a look. It's been a while since the Clemson bowl game mishap.
 
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