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jave36 said:
You don't reward teams for playing good teams before they play them. That's a really bizarre firm of double talk lol. Once the play and beat the good team, you move them up. By your reasoning Baylor should get a bump for having OU on the schedule, even though they haven't played them yet.
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You've missed the point...Georgia HAS beaten those 2 good teams already. You asked "who has Clemson, OU, Penn State, Minnesota, beaten." If that's the debate Georgia has the best 2 wins of any 1 loss team left in beating Notre Dame on the road and beating Florida at a neutral site.

Penn State beating Iowa & Michigan is probably the next best wins of a 1 loss team. Bama can only hang their hat on A&M at the moment, same for Clemson. Minnesota despite being undefeated really only has the quality win over Penn State.

The thing is regardless of whether or not it's fair, Clemson & Bama will get some favoritism. Because they've earned it neither team has had a ton of turnover from their championship game last season. Tua vs Trevor is still must-see TV if both are healthy, and I'd love to watch it myself.
 
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Do the schools still get to take it home, it’s just not a public spectacle at the game?
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
So has Minnesota sadly, they are in the "easy" side of that BIG 10 mess of a conference.
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That is the tradition of the Big ten going all the way back through the 60s. Back then it was Michigan versus Ohio State and nobody else need apply.
 
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I mean it's really going to end up coming down to who should be 4th...if it even comes down to that.

Ohio State still has to face Penn State, Michigan and most likely Minnesota (who may still be undefeated) so the Big 10 will sort themselves out well before the CFP committee has to "get it right"
LSU and Georgia still likely have to face one another so that sorts those 2 top 4 teams out, cause if Georgia loses to Auburn they are out regardless of what they do against LSU in the SEC championship
Clemson pretty much walks in having not played anyone since A&M, be hilarious if SC upsets them.
Oregon/Utah will have to settle it in their championship game...best case for the PAC-12 is both win out until the championship game, then they'll have a 1 loss champion to argue with
Big 12 has Baylor and OU, which still have to face one another head to head. So should be a clear cut BIG 12 champion to argue with


Seems like Clemson is a lock, I bet their odds are the highest in Vegas to make the CFP. Seems like it's shaping up to be SEC, ACC, Big 10, and then a debate for that 4th spot between potentially OU/Baylor vs Oregon/Utah vs Alabama vs 1 loss BIG 10 team (Minnesota maybe?)
 
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HankHill said:
I hope not. I know the pac 12 isn’t great but if they win out, beat Utah in conf champ and there only loss is week 1 to Auburn i think they should get in. To me, If go out of your way to schedule a big time ooc game, you should be rewarded.
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You should be rewarded for losing the only big time game you played? Don't get me wrong, I think all conferences champions should get in, or why bother with it. But the way they are doing it is who have you beaten, and how have you lost. If AL were to have played through the SEC West with only 1 loss by a few points to the SEC champion plus having beaten the team Oregon lost to with them both having 1 loss....that should fit the way they have been chosing....Unfortunately. Hopefully they pick differently.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
You've missed the point...Georgia HAS beaten those 2 good teams already. You asked "who has Clemson, OU, Penn State, Minnesota, beaten." If that's the debate Georgia has the best 2 wins of any 1 loss team left in beating Notre Dame on the road and beating Florida at a neutral site.

Penn State beating Iowa & Michigan is probably the next best wins of a 1 loss team. Bama can only hang their hat on A&M at the moment, same for Clemson. Minnesota despite being undefeated really only has the quality win over Penn State.

The thing is regardless of whether or not it's fair, Clemson & Bama will get some favoritism. Because they've earned it neither team has had a ton of turnover from their championship game last season. Tua vs Trevor is still must-see TV if both are healthy, and I'd love to watch it myself.
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I agree, UGA should be the top 1 loss team. But Bama PSU OU are all about even to me right now.
 
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jave36 said:
I agree, UGA should be the top 1 loss team. But Bama PSU OU are all about even to me right now.
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I'd probably have them in that order... Bama > PSU > OU

I mean if we're harping on Clemson then we have to equally harp on OU...their biggest win is Texas and they lost to Kansas State. Clemson is undefeated and beat A&M (who I think is better than Texas)

PSU though has a gauntlet left to even stand a chance at remaining a 1 loss. Could be rewarded though if they manage to win out they'll have had to beaten OSU & Minnesota in a rematch.
 
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chargervol said:
I want Bama in over Ga because I think Bama still appears to have lost their stranglehold, either way.

But despite that, the optics of getting in the playoffs when you can't even win your division, much less conference... That sounds really bad also.
Especially when their signature win may end up being Auburn and AUB likely to have 4 conference losses.
Bama might be the best 1 loss team but their case isn't as open and shut as previous years.
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I think there's a decent chance that Auburn beats Georgia Saturday. Georgia is going to struggle to move the ball, I think. Coley is still learning and has not demonstrated he can lead the offense.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Because...South Dakota State, Fresno State, Georgia Southern, Purdue, Illinois, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland are all garbage teams. Minnesota is undefeated and managed to upset Penn State in a close game at home. Now if they win out beating Iowa & Wisconsin (as well as OSU in championship game) then they'll clearly be in the top 4 without question. Even as a 1 loss, losing to just OSU they'll have a solid case. But their schedule was back-end loaded when it came to quality opponents.

Penn State despite losing the head to head has wins over Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, and a surprisingly solid Pitt team.
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Your logic is sound until you consider the results head to head. No way PSU should be ahead of Minnesota, even if Minnesota has a much weaker schedule. Michigan State and Pitt are pedestrian at best.
 
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bignewt said:
so which carries more weight? how bad your losses are or how good your wins are? Bama should be ahead of Georgia in my mind, losing to LSU > losing to the cocks.
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Bad losses should count more. That's what got Ohio st out of the playoff couple years ago, by losing to Iowa.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I mean it's really going to end up coming down to who should be 4th...if it even comes down to that.

Ohio State still has to face Penn State, Michigan and most likely Minnesota (who may still be undefeated) so the Big 10 will sort themselves out well before the CFP committee has to "get it right"
LSU and Georgia still likely have to face one another so that sorts those 2 top 4 teams out, cause if Georgia loses to Auburn they are out regardless of what they do against LSU in the SEC championship
Clemson pretty much walks in having not played anyone since A&M, be hilarious if SC upsets them.
Oregon/Utah will have to settle it in their championship game...best case for the PAC-12 is both win out until the championship game, then they'll have a 1 loss champion to argue with
Big 12 has Baylor and OU, which still have to face one another head to head. So should be a clear cut BIG 12 champion to argue with


Seems like Clemson is a lock, I bet their odds are the highest in Vegas to make the CFP. Seems like it's shaping up to be SEC, ACC, Big 10, and then a debate for that 4th spot between potentially OU/Baylor vs Oregon/Utah vs Alabama vs 1 loss BIG 10 team (Minnesota maybe?)
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Some sound reasoning. Who is Clempson likely to play in the conference championship?
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
It is not an excuse..I watched that game. I hate Alabama, but it was clear that the whole program could not care any less about playing in that game. They wanted to be in the NC and were deflated after losing to UF..plus the whole Andre Smith fiasco...outside of last years UGA team..at least for the first half..that is the least excited I have ever seen a team show up for the Sugar Bowl.

You can not beat good teams playing half hearted.. "We want to be anywhere but here right now" football.
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Yes, just had an AL fan tell me that AL did not care unless they were playing for the National Championship. Unfortunately they are spoiled.
 
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