Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[TrippieRedd]

oh, we would? ok................................

LMFAO yes

 

[Smokeytom]

so which is it then? Saban wasn't the plan. they didn't fire Shula, with the intent of hiring Saban. there werne't any backroom deals already done. they went all in Rich Rod, and he said no thanks.

Bama got lucky he said no....it forced them to give saban what he wanted.

Florida got lucky they were told "no" twice....

Freeze prbably has several dream jobs. what's he gonna say? I would love teh Tennesse job!! but coach, USCe is actually available...what about that? "no, no..not my dream job"..

c'mon. you tell everybody how great every place is....especially any place that's even remotely on the radar of potentially having a coaching search. drive up your own demand....hope it gets real competitive....

hugh freeze's dream? Michigan, USCe, USC, Tennesse, Auburn, all in a bidding war for his services. take that to the bank.......

Which is why I’ve said ‘if’ and that we don’t fire Pruitt unless he’s a guarantee.

Doesn’t change the fact that those schools didn’t wait an extra year with a lame duck coach when there were great coaches out there in waiting.

 

[KB5252]

Would @Atlanta VOL or someone in the know who actually has stones just be BLUNT about what makes UT so ‘toxic’? No riddles. No liking posts which might come close to reality. Name names. Tell us a real story. If y’all can’t fix it behind the scenes then give the fans the knowledge to demand the change themselves.

My impression is there are issues at every level. And yes fans are considered a part of the problem, mainly because they put pressure on the program the people "rowing the in the wrong direction" exploit.

But that's JMO.

 

[Smokeytom]

My impression is there are issues at every level. And yes fans are considered a part of the problem, mainly because they put pressure on the program the people "rowing the in the wrong direction" exploit.

But that's JMO.

The fans are the only part of this program keeping it from complete irrelevancy. Next.

 

[KB5252]

The fans are the only part of this program keeping it from complete irrelevancy. Next.

That's too simplistic a view of the situation.

 

[jakez4ut]

What lmao?

We would be an 8 win team next year with Freeze and id guarantee most of our recruits would be hype for him. There would be no rebuilding.

We keep egg head around it will just get worse

there's no absolute certainty in either of those statements....

i'd take hugh freeze right now. if i were the decision maker, i'd be working towrad that.

it still has a degree of risk, and there's no certainty whatsoever that he'd turn it around as fast as some of you think. i do think we would see dramatic improvement offensively, pdq.

 

[jakez4ut]

Which is why I’ve said ‘if’ and that we don’t fire Pruitt unless he’s a guarantee.

Doesn’t change the fact that those schools didn’t wait an extra year with a lame duck coach when there were great coaches out there in waiting.

agree. but that wasn't the point....sometimes the plan doesn't work. like with us and Kiffin.

 

[Smokeytom]

That's too simplistic a view of the situation.

If you’re blaming the fans for having high expectations you’re wrong.

 

[Jimmy Football]

i don't disagree with the path.

i just don't think it's as simple a "if this/then that" equation as some of you do....i'd take Hugh Freeze right now.

i don't think that equates to being awesome immediatley.....

Odds are better with Freeze (and probably several others) than with Pruitt.

Give your next guy a leg up by getting him in this year. If you wait a year, your next coach will start out with a team that just graduated 2 classes of seniors.

 

[TrippieRedd]

there's no absolute certainty in either of those statements....

i'd take hugh freeze right now. if i were the decision maker, i'd be working towrad that.

it still has a degree of risk, and there's certainty whatsoever that he'd turn it around as fast as some of you think. i do think we would see dramatic improvement offensively, pdq.

It’s easier when you have a team with talent. Butch and Pruitt didn’t inherit teams with talent. Those two also didn’t have a QB, now we potentially have two in Bailey and Salter. We also have more depth than we had whenever either of those took over. So yes, it would be immediate

 

[jakez4ut]

Odds are better with Freeze (and probably several others) than with Pruitt.

Give your next guy a leg up by getting him in this year. If you wait a year, your next coach will start out with a team that just graduated 2 classes of seniors.

i don't disagree.

look, like i said, i would hire him. i'd fire pruitt to get him....i would do it sooner than later. not really debating that aspect.

 

[Smokeytom]

agree. but that wasn't the point....sometimes the plan doesn't work. like with us and Kiffin.

Then change it to serendipity for all I care.

They each made the move that needed to be made in order to initiate the chain of events which led to the results they desired.

It just might be the case that UT has had no luck with coaching hires because we don’t get rid of coaches when we should and instead let them tank the program and roster for an extra season.

 

[Kingston Vol]

The fans are the only part of this program keeping it from complete irrelevancy. Next.

The fans have kept this thing afloat, no doubt.

I also think the fans saw the brilliant work Phillip Fulmer did as head coach, with generational coordinators like David Cutcliffe and John Chavis, and took it for granted.

We have a historically very good program. But this program is not truly represented by the run from 1994-2004. That is an outlier.

 

[Smokeytom]

The fans have kept this thing afloat, no doubt.

I also think the fans saw the brilliant work Phillip Fulmer did as head coach, with generational coordinators like David Cutcliffe and John Chavis, and took it for granted.

We have a historically very good program. But this program is not truly represented by the run from 1994-2004. That is an outlier.

I think as much as an outlier those years were, these last 15 have been equally so. We have literally reached historical lows...

 

[volsfan_17]

The fans have kept this thing afloat, no doubt.

I also think the fans saw the brilliant work Phillip Fulmer did as head coach, with generational coordinators like David Cutcliffe and John Chavis, and took it for granted.

We have a historically very good program. But this program is not truly represented by the run from 1994-2004. That is an outlier.

Perhaps, but I recall only 1 of our National Championships in that era. It's not like UT's pedigree started with Fulmer.

 

[drvenner]

I will be lurking and not posting for awhile. I need a break from this madness.

See you in 15

 

[rjd970]

The fans have kept this thing afloat, no doubt.

I also think the fans saw the brilliant work Phillip Fulmer did as head coach, with generational coordinators like David Cutcliffe and John Chavis, and took it for granted.

We have a historically very good program. But this program is not truly represented by the run from 1994-2004. That is an outlier.

But it should be. The frustrating thing is we know it is possible, and with the resources at UT it should be again. After he left Bama Kiffin was quoted as saying all the pieces are there at UT to get to Bama levels. There isn't anything in Tuscaloosa, resource-wise at least, that isn't in Knoxville.

The only missing piece is that dedication to winning and getting everyobdy on the same page, IMO.

 

[jakez4ut]

It’s easier when you have a team with talent. Butch and Pruitt didn’t inherit teams with talent. Those two also didn’t have a QB, now we potentially have two in Bailey and Salter. We also have more depth than we had whenever either of those took over. So yes, it would be immediate

if they pass that 1 time transfer rule like they're talking about, you could see some of that talent take hit? all i'm' saying is it's not as certain as some of you think that htere's this immediate switch from awful to awesome.

still doesn't change my mind on what i'd do.

i just happen to still believe that we're 2-3 years out on being a contender, either way. lots of things factor in, many of which we wouldn't even know about until we get to next spring most likely.

 

[snowvols]

I think there was a lot of warning about Pruitt's personality and whether or not he would be able to handle being a HC. I think Aaron Murray was right. He's trying to be Saban without the success.

Was Jeremy Pruitt's rocky time at Georgia a red flag?

 

[Kingston Vol]

I think as much as an outlier those years were, these last 15 have been equally so. We have literally reached historical lows...

That’s right.

So what needs to happen is the expectation of a new coach lands somewhere in the middle.

When we have an opening, does the prospective coaching pool see this as an 8 win program or a 10 win program? How do they think fans feel?

There has to be a disconnect there because the coaches we interview and have a legitimate chance with are always different than the coaches we obsess over beforehand. Always.

Freeze is an outlier because he’s a legitimate coach with a bad past. Kind of like lucking into Petrino.

 

[B EaZy40]

I so

Lowe also mentioned that UT is not thought of as a good job, but a toxic environment.

I’d love to know what the toxicity report would have in it.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I think there was a lot of warning about Pruitt's personality and whether or not he would be able to handle being a HC. I think Aaron Murray was right. He's trying to be Saban without the success.

Was Jeremy Pruitt's rocky time at Georgia a red flag?

There was a ton of warning.

It’s the only reason we were able to hire him. Otherwise he would have gotten opportunity many years prior.

 

[jakez4ut]

Then change it to serendipity for all I care.

They each made the move that needed to be made in order to initiate the chain of events which led to the results they desired.

It just might be the case that UT has had no luck with coaching hires because we don’t get rid of coaches when we should and instead let them tank the program and roster for an extra season.

i think that's what i said originally. lol.

and i do agree we let jones in particular stick around 1 year too long for sure. we've always been more on the risk-adverse side of firing a guy.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Perhaps, but I recall only 1 of our National Championships in that era. It's not like UT's pedigree started with Fulmer.

Any wins before integration should not be taken at full value, in my opinion.

It’s a totally different world.

 

[drvenner]

i've never thought they were the mouthpiece, that's WNML and their associated outlets. it hink VQ has been prudent in what they put out there just from a professional courtesy standpoint....but i don't ever get the impression they carry water.

if for no other reason, i think, while most really didn't care for him, Simonton was the "bad cop" on VQ and it made sense given his prior affiliations. it also made it easier for us, as fans, to dismiss him as a cuck and move on....but having a guy like that on the payroll tells me they're not a mothpeice....

AP has alwasy been, imo, what i would consider more of a centerist/realist...but generally stayed away from the extreme takes, good or bad.

but hubbs taking stance, carries some weight, cause he's typically not put himself out there...kind of like an EF Hutton...when he speaks, people listen....lol....but in reality, had simonton been here this season....well, he'd of had a field day lol....basically somebody's got to do it, and hubbs makes the most sense.....for a lot of reasons.

most notably....people will talk about it and it will get reaction from viewers/readers.

i would probably like more of your posts if you used more CAPITAL LETTERS.