Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Memphisvol87]

The truth is Pruitt wasn’t ready for this job. We are going to pay a lot more next year when he is fired than firing him this year. We are going to have assistant buyouts and new assistant salaries. Then big buyouts on those assistants to make matters worse. This is our chance to keep ourselves respectable. We will not be good for another five years if we keep Pruitt another year.

Pay him the money to be a DC. Hire freeze. You’re paying him either way if you fire him. Let him recruit and coach defense. The players loved him until the JG disaster this year
pick up the net difference from paying his buyout and a new top end d coordinator. I’d rather him earn his buyout.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Wyoming right before it got cold.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

i mean it's easy to go back and armchair this now.

but there werne't a lot of people that were shedding tears upon Tracy Rocker's departure. i think everyone agreed, good "coach", but total liability in recruiting, a la Jay Hardy et al.............i.e. there was sound reasoning, that was widely accepted, for making the move. now, we can gripe about who we hired, CJB, especially now knowing how bad a fit it wound up being....but as usual, firing wasn't hte issue....it was the hiring.
Lol. It’s not TBD on many. And people knew Rocker was a good coach but we needed a better recruiter. But you should never fire a good coach unless you know you have an upgrade. We all knew Brumbaugh was not an upgrade whether we wanted to admit it or not. Same with Neids and Felton. I do think Felton has potential. Neids is not ready for ILB.
Shelton Felton..i think, at best, all you can say is it's TBD, but early returns don't show a ton.....and i think while we all agree Nieds has a place on this staff, w/out Daniel Bituli, the ILB's look a lot different.....so maybe that, too, is at best TBD.....

on offense, i think you can look at Weinke, Friend and Chaney and have legitimage issues with what's been put out there. but i don't see all 3 of those guys getting whacked...

anyway, safe to say, changes are coming again....so we'll see, and it all will go back to TBD status. lol.

 

[drvenner]

Well guys my wife is heading into brain surgery in a couple hours due to metastatic breast cancer from a couple years ago. She’s 35.

Prayers and prayer!!

 

[jakez4ut]

I didn't understand the Rocker departure. As far as I know, Rocker was the only assistant on staff who was primarily a teacher and didn't contribute much to recruiting. The rest of the staff was made up of good, if not great, recruiters. So why send the one guy who is primarily a teacher packing?

look at the DL recruits that wound up going elsewhere the past two cycles. when guys of that ilk, that we need, start talking about having no relationship with who would be their position coach...publically...that's a problem.

everyone pretty much agreed from a development standpoint, Rocker was on point.

but he hurt more htan he helped because of the recruiting issues...and it's no secret we need talen upgrades and fast on the LOS.

 

[butchna]

We have a proven OC who’s a stud recruiter on staff. If Pruitt’s staying he needs to use his resources.

 

[jakez4ut]

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agree?

 

[Blake25p]

I wonder where Bailey will transfer and win the Heisman?

I think he entertained Georgia Tech briefly, would be a good fit.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

If I recall correctly UGA was less than sad to see him leave. I'm not saying what you're saying/hearing isn't accurate and I agree if CJP wants HB to start all he has to do is say so. But, the comments we've heard him make about HB not being ready, and wanting to protect him take a different tone if CJP is protecting him from his own OC. How easily would it be for CJC to put HB in a position to have his confidence destroyed merely by playcalling away from his strengths?

It seems to me there's a rift between the HC and the OC that could be leading to the more offensive play we've seen. IF that's indeed the case, we'll see that rectified in the off season. You say you hear that CJP listens to CCW moreso than the OC? That's indicative of a problem with the relationship with CJC. Additionally, as much as we've bemoaned CCW, it's he and Tee and Jay that offensive recruits are mentioning. I trying to recall any of our offensive recruits talking about playing in CJC's offense.

I'm not saying CJP isn't to be held accountable for the results, ultimately it falls on him. However, I think if I'm rational in my thought processes, I see learning lessons for a first time SEC HC playing out before our eyes.

Georgia fans are delusional. They could have lost Hugh Freeze as an OC and said they could do better. They are the most delusional fanbase in the country and it’s not even close.

 

[UTSuave’]

No way!

Fan runs 4.14 40 outside NFL game

 

[jakez4ut]

We have a proven OC who’s a stud recruiter on staff. If Pruitt’s staying he needs to use his resources.

this. and he's got a budding one sitting up there in the coaches box as well.

i'd like to see a chip long/Joe Osovet led offense....they'd probably kill it on the trail too......

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

agree?

Somewhat ha. Don’t know why I quoted or whatever the heck I did. Meant to reply.

 

[butchna]

look at the DL recruits that wound up going elsewhere the past two cycles. when guys of that ilk, that we need, start talking about having no relationship with who would be their position coach...publically...that's a problem.

everyone pretty much agreed from a development standpoint, Rocker was on point.

but he hurt more htan he helped because of the recruiting issues...and it's no secret we need talen upgrades and fast on the LOS.

I defended him but was ready for an upgrade in recruiting by the time he left. Pruitt was so fast in naming Brumbaugh that I had to believe he knew something. Won’t do that again, but back on point? Get BOTH...they exist!

 

[butchna]

this. and he's got a budding one sitting up there in the coaches box as well.

i'd like to see a chip long/Joe Osovet led offense....they'd probably kill it on the trail too......

Adjustments during a game? Whoa cowboy!

 

[drvenner]

I'm here brother. Originally ducked out for the RF social temp but then even in our 1st games, I saw things that I didn't like in year 3. Figured I'd wait and see if it was just missed practices. Now, with my optimistic personality, I just don't have much to say.

How are you feeling? Well, I hope.

 

[05_never_again]

look at the DL recruits that wound up going elsewhere the past two cycles. when guys of that ilk, that we need, start talking about having no relationship with who would be their position coach...publically...that's a problem.

everyone pretty much agreed from a development standpoint, Rocker was on point.

but he hurt more htan he helped because of the recruiting issues...and it's no secret we need talen upgrades and fast on the LOS.

Isn't it fairly common though for guys to be recruited by members of the staff who aren't necessarily going to end up being their position coach? For example, Neids was the TE coach but was supposedly instrumental in pulling all sorts of players, none of which were TEs.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

No way!

Fan runs 4.14 40 outside NFL game

Man was wearing socks.......

 

[butchna]

I didn't understand the Rocker departure. As far as I know, Rocker was the only assistant on staff who was primarily a teacher and didn't contribute much to recruiting. The rest of the staff was made up of good, if not great, recruiters. So why send the one guy who is primarily a teacher packing?

Because we were losing top DL recruits. You can’t float a teacher at that position group...especially in the SEC.

 

[butchna]

Isn't it fairly common though for guys to be recruited by members of the staff who aren't necessarily going to end up being their position coach? For example, Neids was the TE coach but was supposedly instrumental in pulling all sorts of players, none of which were TEs.

For priority recruits. Need the position coach to carry his weight on the rest.

 

[Volnerd]

Stupid thought, but do could it be a situation where CJP thinks HB should be playing and CJC didn't get him ready? If the rumors of HB not being CJC's guy are true, this coupled with the shots CJP has taken at the offensive gameplan in the media over the past several weeks could coincide?

We've repeatedly bashed CJP for micromanaging this team, but what if what we're seeing on the field a byproduct of him doing just the opposite in allowing CJC and CDA complete control of their sides of the ball? There's no doubt based on his comments that CJP hasn't been thrilled with the offense, and no one will ever convince me that the pressure dialed up in the Arkansas game wasn't called by CJP to try to get us in position to get the ball back and win the game. So are we seeing CJP grow as a CEO figure of the program only to see poor results as a result of his coordinators?

Perhaps he's setting this thing up as we'd all hoped for in regards to the amount of resources he's been given (which is a structure that most UT fans would say was long overdue in being competitive). With the amount of analysts and support resources he has in place, he could make internal changes by merely promoting from within (Long/Osvelt) and backfilling more analyst positions.

I am not buying this. I am pretty sure Chaney recruited Bailey when he was on the Georgia staff. Why wouldn't he want him? Bailey has everything a quarterback needs and is a proven winner. I think it is more likely that Chaney wants to get HB ready but Pruitt is forcing JG on him.

 

[jakez4ut]

I defended him but was ready for an upgrade in recruiting by the time he left. Pruitt was so fast in naming Brumbaugh that I had to believe he knew something. Won’t do that again, but back on point? Get BOTH...they exist!

i think they will and i think Bo Davis is probably that guy.

i won't be surprised if they make a push for Lupoi either.

i could see a scenario where Ansley is just given the secondary out right and pruitt takes over defensive play calling, and brings in davis and lupoi....maybe moves Nieds to OLB or back to TE and keeps Felton at OLB?

on offense, it does make some sense to move osovet to QB, chip long to OC and if he'd stomach it, chaney to OL....if up to me, weinke and friend would be out. keep grahm and martin where they are, and have Nieds back on TE, if Felton is kept.

if felton is out, nieds goes to OLB...and maybe you put Chaney and Friend on OL/TE's....?

lots of options out there, i guess the good news is, there's a couple offensive guys already on the stafft hat could plug right in and very likely could be upgrades.............

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

On another note, how is Drew doing? I saw an update, but also saw they are still a little short of the goal. We may need another Volnation rally.

 

[UTSuave’]

Man was wearing socks.......

That man was WEARING SOCKS BRO!

 

[UTSuave’]

i think they will and i think Bo Davis is probably that guy.

i won't be surprised if they make a push for Lupoi either.

i could see a scenario where Ansley is just given the secondary out right and pruitt takes over defensive play calling, and brings in davis and lupoi....maybe moves Nieds to OLB or back to TE and keeps Felton at OLB?

on offense, it does make some sense to move osovet to QB, chip long to OC and if he'd stomach it, chaney to OL....if up to me, weinke and friend would be out. keep grahm and martin where they are, and have Nieds back on TE, if Felton is kept.

if felton is out, nieds goes to OLB...and maybe you put Chaney and Friend on OL/TE's....?

lots of options out there, i guess the good news is, there's a couple offensive guys already on the stafft hat could plug right in and very likely could be upgrades.............

Brian Nieds to stick with recruiting at a high level and worrying about the TE’s simple as that these linebackers suck this year

 

[jakez4ut]

Isn't it fairly common though for guys to be recruited by members of the staff who aren't necessarily going to end up being their position coach? For example, Neids was the TE coach but was supposedly instrumental in pulling all sorts of players, none of which were TEs.

it is....and that wasn't the problem. it was that, at least in the case of Hardy who made it public, there was NO relationship there....zero effort on Rocker's part to develop one.....and it ultimatley was enough to turn him away and listen to Auburn. you could go down the line and look at other DL recruits the past two cycles that we "just missed" on and at least wonder how much of an effect did that play on them ultimately going somewhere else? he didn't have to be the guy that was on the road and in the living rooms and all that...........but he did have to make some effort.