Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[millst987]

Apathy
It’s the only way at this point

 

[LoudOrange]

I'd roll the dice on about 5 of those names at this point.

Which 5? I like Heupel, Napier and Clark better for sure.

 

[scvolfan7]

Josh Heupel, Willie Fritz, Billy Napier, Lance Leipold, Bill Clark, Seth Lutrell, Skip Holtz, Rick Stockstill, Sonny Dykes, Will Healy, Mike Denbrock, Tony Elliott, Rhett Lashley, Phil Longo, Cale Gundy, Sonny Cumbie, Jeff Grimes, Mike Bobo.

Best Google list I could come up with on short notice. Be careful what you wish for cause you might get it.

Holtz, Napier, and Leipold are all good coaches that would win here IMO

 

[KPT_VFL]

I don't think UT has an appetite for cleaning house this year. If some coaches don't want to be here, it's a win-win for UT to help them find their way to another school or the NFL, as we have done in the past.

The only thing UT wants less than a coaching search is a public, drawn-out coaching search. The current administration will want a succession plan in place to avoid another public fiasco. With the positive way last year ended and this year started, potential coaching searches at the HC or coordinator levels weren't even on UT's radar. Factor in the pandemic, the financial shortfall, Fulmer standing behind Pruitt and the way Boyd prefers to do business... no cleaning house.

So Freeze.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't think UT has an appetite for cleaning house this year. If some coaches don't want to be here, it's a win-win for UT to help them find their way to another school or the NFL, as we have done in the past.

The only thing UT wants less than a coaching search is a public, drawn-out coaching search. The current administration will want a succession plan in place to avoid another public fiasco. With the positive way last year ended and this year started, potential coaching searches at the HC or coordinator levels weren't even on UT's radar. Factor in the pandemic, the financial shortfall, Fulmer standing behind Pruitt and the way Boyd prefers to do business... no cleaning house.

at the end of hte day , i believe all of this to be true.

we do not have the stomach for this...never have. and as much as i do think of fulmer, he definiltey isn't the cut throat that would do this.

pruitt is set to get 5 years. siap the other day, at my core, i believe pruitt is back next year for sure, with little to no doubt about it....

 

[KPT_VFL]

I refuse to believe money is that big of an issue. The university is fine financially. They just don’t want to spend money on buyouts which is understandable since football revenue is not near the same. As a whole the university has plenty of money.

 

[Batman1948]

UT isn't in a position or the mindset to clean house. But we could help some guys out the door and make it easy for them to go. Fulmer's really good at that-- i.e., Helton. Bet Pruitt could be, too, if there are guys he thinks are good coaches but not the right fit here.

All of our assistants are Pruitt's hires. Every year we seem to have about 3 assistants leave, for whatever reason, and it's really hard to be consistent with that much turnover. Why are some of the assistants not a good fit here if Pruitt hired them? I'm almost of the opinion that we should just clean house and start over again with a proven head coach and let him bring in his guys. If it's someone like Freeze, so be it. I just want to enjoy Tennessee football again.

 

[volatil]

I'd roll the dice on about 5 of those names at this point.

 

[VolGee4]

I refuse to believe money is that big of an issue. The university is fine financially. They just don’t want to spend money on buyouts which is understandable since football revenue is not near the same. As a whole the university has plenty of money.

Do you know how that works? The university itself isn't footing the bill when the athletic department has its own budget? The AD pays the university for scholarships, not the other way around.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Which 5? I like Heupel, Napier and Clark better for sure.

Willie Fritz, Billy Napier, Lance Leipold, Bill Clark, Sonny Dykes, Will Healy, Tony Elliott, Rhett Lashley

The first half are definitely better head coaches, if not great fits. The last two are worth a shot over something you know isn't working.

 

[Kingston Vol]

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This never gets old. I love it every single time.

 

[jakez4ut]

I refuse to believe money is that big of an issue. The university is fine financially. They just don’t want to spend money on buyouts which is understandable since football revenue is not near the same. As a whole the university has plenty of money.

so you don't believe money isn't the issue, but understand why it is.

gotcha.

 

[jakez4ut]

eh, we're all just talking in circles agian.

we suck. again. no end in sight. see you next year.

lol.

 

[KPT_VFL]

so you don't believe money isn't the issue, but understand why it is.

gotcha.

It is a year loss not filing for bankruptcy.

 

[Batman1948]

If not Freeze, the list will be something like the following:
(1A) Pruitt
1. Dave Doeren
2. Will Healy
3. Random ACC OC
4. Random Sunbelt head coach

Prove me wrong

If it's not Freeze, you don't make a change at the top. I fixed the list for you

 

[KPT_VFL]

Willie Fritz, Billy Napier, Lance Leipold, Bill Clark, Sonny Dykes, Will Healy, Tony Elliott, Rhett Lashley

The first half are definitely better head coaches, if not great fits. The last two are worth a shot over something you know isn't working.

Hugh Freeze.

 

[KB5252]

How is it toast? Who has decommitted that really means anything? I believe we still have a top 10 class and that's not too shabby.

Good Lord, explain how we finish top 10? Who were gonna flip or close on to get us there?

 

[volsagain]

Hopefully by the summer they can get some sort of practice time in, or start the season later like they did this year with a 10 game schedule.

I think they need to start earlier, this stuff gets worse in the colder months.

 

[Batman1948]

Oh well. If there’s anything I’ve learned in these last 20+ years following UT football, especially the last 10, it’s that coaching matters and Chris Weinke sucks at developing talent. Most of this staff sucks. Adios to them all! Fulmer can go too if he doesn’t agree.

I’m tired of supporting a loser program. It’s going to take elite coaching to turn this around, not a top tier QB being coached by losers. We’ve had enough of that nonsense.

I think you have to have talent before you can develop talent. Our current QB's are just not talented--HB excluded.

 

[jakez4ut]

It is a year loss not filing for bankruptcy.

i know. just giving you a hard time.

i think money is a problem.

at least to the extent that you just keep throwing good money after bad, and to foot the bill for this one, it'd likely rely very heavily on donor money...money that i would suspect they aren't necessarily willing to part with....

but, if they made this a priority, and it was presented in terms of what they're going to go get, instead of what they're running off, maybe it changes things.

no idea.

so, yeah. money is an issue....but if they really all got on the same page and wanted the same thing....it'd happen.

they don't have a clue, collectively, what they want....so nothing happens.

 

[Batman1948]

Good Lord, explain how we finish top 10? Who were gonna flip or close on to get us there?

I've been wanting to put you on ignore for a while. You're a dumb a**.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Ranking college football's richest, poorest programs

This is from March this year. Money ain’t a problem covid is an excuse not to spend any. Profit of 55 million for a 2018 5-7 record.

 

[MrVolton]

Willie Fritz, Billy Napier, Lance Leipold, Bill Clark, Sonny Dykes, Will Healy, Tony Elliott, Rhett Lashley

The first half are definitely better head coaches, if not great fits. The last two are worth a shot over something you know isn't working.

I like Sarkisian or Marrone ahead of those guys.

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

I’m telling ya, nut up and #boycottNeyland #boycottUT

It’s the only way to redirect this 3 ring circus

 

[Kingston Vol]

This is me being a total homer, but this path forward makes more and more sense to me:

HC: Tee Martin
OC: Jim Chaney (mainly because that contract makes him very hard to fire, and he might find himself again without a defensive head coach micro-managing him)
QBs: Anyone with a pulse.
RB: Jay Graham
OL: Tee, Chaney and Phil should be able to come together and make a good hire here.
WR: Find a good recruiter, Tee will have contacts in this area.
TE: Chaney or outside hire.

DC: Ansley (he won't stay so we're looking at outside hire) Kevin Steele will probably be available.
DL: There are a ton of VFL options here. Chief, Brooks, outside hire.
LBs: Probably another outside hire, although Kevin Simon is still on staff.
DBs: Ansley if he stays, otherwise outside hire.

This makes sense to me because, financially, it would save UT from paying buyouts besides Pruitt's. It would also bring stability and be a very seamless transition, something I think the UT AD would prioritize.

I'm not saying I would prefer this route to a "sure thing" like Freeze or Fickell, but I would be more excited about this than trotting Pruitt out there again next season.

If we're writing 5 year blank checks like has been rumored with Pruitt, I'd rather give that opportunity to a VFL and National Championship winner.

Please read what's in bold before you yell at me.