Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Nuctech777]

we do this every off season....and it doesn't matter, because once we see the games played, the "how" comes in to focus and each win and loss looks a certain way thru the "eye test" lens.

9-3, would be ridiculously good coming off this year, no matter the lens.

It would be huge. What if we are 9-3 and get blown out by the big 3 though? We have to start being competitive in those games.

 

[Dudleys87]

Grumor me this, I wonder why we are flying to Vegas?

Taking Ansley back to Gruden he gave him high praise when he took the job

 

[densojb3]

Jordan is still the GOAT but let’s not act like MJ didn’t whine on the court every time something didn’t go his way. lol

He had a lot more reason too with the defense back then

 

[daj2576]

They suck at math.

And in parsing reality.

On talent alone Pruitt left at least 2 games on the field against Arkansas and Kentucky meaning this year should have been 5-5 at a minimum. With competent coaching there is at least one more potential win out there in Auburn.

So it's not even trying to convince yourself that there is some complex algorithm to translate a Covid all SEC schedule to a "normal year" (and that requires ignoring his atrocious failures against "sure" wins like GSU and BYU which means you can't really count extra wins as gimmes anyway), but in understanding how much he underperforms.

 

[SLICKYINC]

The info is not hard to find..

That guy only knows what he thinks he reads on a message board. Outside of that, nothing.

 

[Skizer41]

-Hubbs

Oh I'm sure CJP will move him to DB or DT..... Something that makes no sense at all.

 

[MarcoVol]

Lebron cries with the no touch defense of today. He is a whiney Lil biznitch.

Just wondering which players you think don’t do this?

They all do it, you just don’t like the face LeBron makes when he does it.

They. All. Complain.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Put in a position to hire Gus or keep Pruitt with reasons for him to stay for 2+ years.

I’m not keeping Pruitt if I’ll fire him anyway. It’s the same outcome if Gus fails.

You're hatred of Pruitt is clouding your common sense...failure is failure whether it is Pruitt or Gus.

I want them to go after someone with more opportunity for success than Gus.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Really sounds like we’re going to run this thing back in 2021 and if so you can find me in the NBA and MLB forums.

I can’t believe they’re going to kick this can down the road.

It’s absurd man. He’s really coming back..

 

[m1al]

Grumor me this, I wonder why we are flying to Vegas?

Shoot craps and play blackjack...

 

[volfan1631]

If VQ guys are telling us 3-7 = 7-5 on a normal year what does 6-4 equal in the east?

This year actually let us know where we are within the SEC.

 

[Dudleys87]

You're hatred of Pruitt is clouding your common sense...failure is failure whether it is Pruitt or Gus.

I want them to go after someone with more opportunity for success than Gus.

And your closed mind against Gus is forgetting what he can do for the image of Tennessee rignt now.

Everyone wants a successful coach. We’ve tried 4 times and failed horribly.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

-Hubbs

So tired of this BS. Chaney doesn't recruit, doesn't coach a position. JFC there is no other active coach in college football getting paid what he is to do less. We need an OC that coaches QB's or another position group and who is a dynamic recruiter. Insane.

Chaney is terrible.

 

[KPT_VFL]

We are really going to hang in a year too late and all these instate studs will go elsewhere when we fire him next year. It’s so obvious it hurts. We are going to waste a chance at signing Nolen, Simpson and James. No chance they sign here after a 6-6 5-7 season next year.

 

[Dudley Smith]

you won't be able to replace the departing assistants with quality coaches w/out 2 year deals. and if they do bring pruitt back and overhaul the staff, they're not gonna handcuff the hiring of assistants like they did with Fulmer, Dooley and Butch.

him staying means they're hitching their wagon to pruitt's success. they don't need to set him up to fail. that box is already checked.

Exactly. Keeping Pruitt is doomed to failure regardless of who you bring in for him. If they are too dumb or mule-headed to see this, they deserve the consequences and I want to keep it as cheap as possible.

 

[Dudleys87]

This year actually let us know where we are within the SEC.

Just above Vandy just like this season.

 

[MrVolton]

Atlanta is 1.5 hours away with western Georgia being closer. The Florida panhandle is 3 hours away. Charlotte is closer to Knoxville but only by 2 hours.

Most of our talent in TN is in the two grand divisions in the western part of the state.

Charlotte may only be 2 hours closer, but Atlanta is only about 1 hour closer to Auburn, AL than Knoxville. And they have share their instate talent with Bama. They might have a geographical edge when you break it down line item, but that edge is marginal. The only significant edge they have over us is recent success.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

And your closed mind against Gus is forgetting what he can do for the image of Tennessee rignt now.

Everyone wants a successful coach. We’ve tried 4 times and failed horribly.

Gus will be fired within four years if he is hired here...period. He is not the answer.

 

[volfan1631]

Grumor me this, I wonder why we are flying to Vegas?

To place a bet on firing or keeping Pruitt. Guaranteed winner

 

[RiotVol]

I really think the game has passed up Chaney. His offense was great in the mid 2000s. But, he loves to draw up long-developing routes without an elite O-line or elite WRs. You have to have those for that to work. We also run a lot of routes where we catch the ball at a stop.

Today, you have to use motion, mis-direction to confuse the defense even for a split second. You need quick throws to get the ball to your playmakers in space to avoid sacks. Drags, rub routes, slants, crosses. Let our receivers catch the ball on the run. Instead we run mostly hitches

The slow developing plays kill me. On Bailey’s sack fumble, you had a pulling guard coming out to pick up an edge rusher and the play-fake right in Bailey’s field of vision, and the play side routes were two deep post routes.

Everything about the design of that play was a disaster, and people are like “he should have gotten it out quicker.” If he had, there was nowhere to go (when he started to throw, they were just starting to break their routes), aside from chucking it out of bounds, which is what we probably would have done had we not been playing head games with him and Shrout playing “make a mistake and you get yanked” musical chairs with the QB. The only thinkg I can think happened was 1) one of those WRs ran the wrong route or 2) someone was supposed to drag across the middle and that didn’t happen.

Nevertheless, seems like a lot of f@#$$ing moving parts for a freshman who adjusting to the speed of the SEC, or even with Shrout that is struggling to make multiple reads because his development was stunted with JG siphoning up reps for 8 damned years it seems.

 

[jakez4ut]

Yea i mean that makes more sense and i wasn’t trying to attack you... i guess it’s harder for me to stomach Bc i seen first hand how Pruitt was handed every single thing he could possibly need to succeed here... much more than Dooley or butch ever had and still managed to screw it up time and time again.

Also, The whole covid excuse that they keep trying to point to is also sickening to me as well because it doesn’t add up. If we had been bad at the first of the year due to missed practices and such but got better fine. But we looked better early and just absolutely fell apart and got worse every week as the season went on. So that just totally shoots that excuse down the drain.

no worries.
i think covid, while everyone had to deal with it, was a bad draw for this staff, and this roster. considering that the best accumulation of talent on the roster was FR and SO, missing THIS off season wasn't ideal, and i think that is one thing that separates us from some other programs in terms of the "everybody had to deal with it" take.

QB's in particular....detrimental to the whole room to not have a spring/summer and fall competition.

still, doesn't excuse the personnel decisions made as a result, as the season went a long....

as for the assistants, i would look for that to continue if they retain pruitt. they don't need to hand cuff him, like they did fulmer, doolely and butch. if he's kept, they're going to give him every opportunity to succeed....again. don't need to set him up for failure with 2 losing seasons in your first 3.

 

[Dudleys87]

Exactly. Keeping Pruitt is doomed to failure regardless of who you bring in for him. If they are too dumb or mule-headed to see this, they deserve the consequences and I want to keep it as cheap as possible.

That’s what will probably happen if he stays. A bunch of guys over their head that will be yes men costing Tennessee more money than firing Pruitt now

 

[PYSCHO]

Pruitt supposed to be Defensive Genius... our Defense has sucked ass for 3yrs...
Our offense pathetic under a supposed great OC with large playbook.

Yeah let's keep these two idiots.

ansley has done a bang up job to for as much as that clown gets paid. I know JP is duppose to be the godfather of defense but his side kick sucks ass as well

 

[Ryno14]

Not the basketball forum but figured we could all use a laugh this morning...

 

[SPEDVoL14]

While the VQ staff has suggested how many assistant coaches would gone, they have not provided anything else. Also, they have been stating that things continue to be fluid. I think everything is still undecided.