Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[jordan4vols]

Matthews actually has changed his tune. He was adamant Pruitt was back and now saying he doesn’t know who coaches this team next year

 

[JCVol00]

So this is just a mock schedule, im sure i have sent this in here before but obviously the first 3 games are probably accurate. That Pitt game is HUGE. We win it and we likely start out 3-0, then 8-4 is absolutely a realistic expectation. If we beat Pitt then I think we beat Mizzou, Kentucky, USCjr and Vandy, then obviously south alabama and possibly Ole Miss as well, so 9-3 wouldn’t be totally unrealistic. But if we lose to Pitt, then I think we go 5-7 with the other 3 ooc games as wins and then uscjr and Vandy as the only conference wins

 

[Vols2DaWall]

Pruitt is doing everything right so far this offseason to make changes on the field. Given the investigation, things have gone decently this offseason besides a couple of key guys transferring. Say we go 8-4 or 9-3 next year and our biggest loss is by 18 points to Bama, would y’all’s opinion on him change at all?

I think any true UT fan would be excited about an 8-9 win season next year. Most of us just don't see it happening and see gross incompetence on both sides of the ball in year 3. Steele has been a good hire. We've gotten one transfer. But we also lost out on bigtime recruits because of the horrific season. We are basically attempting to flip 3/4ths of the coaching staff. I don't see any way UT sniffs 8-9 wins next year with Pruitt at the helm. His defense couldn't line up properly the entire year. In year 3. We lost all of our games by double digits. We've lost to friggin GA State.

This offseason has not been good. We've been under investigation, we've lost multiple starters through the portal. We're having to fly out to see HT so he doesn't transfer. We lost out on Mims, TID, Mondon, and Green.

 

[BruinVol]

Pruitt is doing everything right so far this offseason to make changes on the field. Given the investigation, things have gone decently this offseason besides a couple of key guys transferring. Say we go 8-4 or 9-3 next year and our biggest loss is by 18 points to Bama, would y’all’s opinion on him change at all?

The record is all that matters and yea I no longer give a rip about margin of losses. There simply are just way more blowouts all across college football now and it’s not worth keeping that “stat”. W/Ls all that matters


6-6 or worse he’s fired next year
7-5 keeps him on the hot seat but he survives
8-4 or better changes the perspective and he’s on his way to turning this thing around

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

In short term its probably better if CJP is back, less transfers. Also means NCAA issues aren't as big as originally thought. Long term, particularly with 22 class, gave my doubts. We go 5-7 next year, then watch Simpson flip to Tx or Bama.

 

[Catbone]

The views around here are everyone gets the vaccine and everything will be peachy.

That's hilarious. Government will want to keep it around to ensure control and more power

 

[Vols4us]

For the narrative builders on here, this is your context. You cannot make an honest case to keep Jeremy as the HC of the Tennessee Volunteer football program because the facts are present. There is hard evidence, there is history. There's no reason to rehash it all. If you honestly believe Jeremy Pruitt will lead UT to the promised land of college football, you may need to reassess your analytical processes IMO. He cannot even hire and fire assistants correctly - the same people who are tasked to develop this pathetic football team. The one expertise he is supposed to possess he failed at. The D cannot even line up correctly and cover a basic slant pass in its third season of development.

So is misplaced hope for the future a bad thing? You decide. Personally, I think it kicks the can down the road and makes things even worse based upon my observations of history. But by all means carry on, it is a message board.

 

[WallyBalls]

Wait. We may keep a 3-7 coach and we only lost roughly 500k? Please tell me our administration seriously isn’t this stupid. And I would like to know how much of the 500k is attributed to accruals for payroll and other expenses. Without accruing anything, we may have had positive cash flows. What a slap in the face to fans if he doesn’t get fired and they tried to blame money woes.

The way the article read, a lot of that has to do with the fact those numbers capture the 2019 season...with a full stadium. 2020 will go in next years books.

So yikes.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

So this is just a mock schedule, im sure i have sent this in here before but obviously the first 3 games are probably accurate. That Pitt game is HUGE. We win it and we likely start out 3-0, then 8-4 is absolutely a realistic expectation. If we beat Pitt then I think we beat Mizzou, Kentucky, USCjr and Vandy, then obviously south alabama and possibly Ole Miss as well, so 9-3 wouldn’t be totally unrealistic. But if we lose to Pitt, then I think we go 5-7 with the other 3 ooc games as wins and then uscjr and Vandy as the only conference wins View attachment 339873

You have automatic losses to UF, UGA, Bama.

Probable losses at Mizzou, Ole Miss

Toss ups at USC, UK, Pitt

Probable wins at Bowling Green, FCS, Andy, South Alabama

IMO, best case scenario is 7-5. In the best world possible under this staff. More likely 4-5 wins

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

A $4.4M drop in contributions is going to be child’s play compared to the next run.

I’m already likely to pull mine after they upheld raises AFTER begging us for money, promising to carve our names on some stupid wall that will never be built, then rolling out the most soul sucking season in a 15 year parade of miserable seasons, and wrapping it up with 2 months that defy all logic and explanation.

It’s the part of the Pruitt Stays narrative that just blows my mind. The costs on the back end of this are going to be astronomical.

You had 80-90% of your season ticket base watch from home last year and learn what that experience is like. Even in all but the greatest years you wouldn’t have 100% of that group come back...I can’t imagine what those numbers will be after this.

Most people I know carry forward their season tickets or sales would look much worse for next year. Almost everyone I know is not going to renew and they are lucky that they asked early enough to carry forward the tickets. This administration isn’t going to wake up until fans wake up and start withdrawing funds.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I will still think he got lucky. He would need more than one year and 8-9 wins in year four should be the floor. But he isn’t sniffing 8-9 wins next year. Fans will be booing every second when we lose to Pitt.

I mean, he won 8 with JG at QB. I don’t know why we think it’s impossible for him to win 8 next year with an upgraded staff and better QB play. He may not, but it certainly isn’t impossible

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Pruitt is doing everything right so far this offseason to make changes on the field. Given the investigation, things have gone decently this offseason besides a couple of key guys transferring. Say we go 8-4 or 9-3 next year and our biggest loss is by 18 points to Bama, would y’all’s opinion on him change at all?

Yes. If your scenario where we don't get blown out happens

 

[Rizzo924]

Yeah. All that talk ab losing the ‘22 class if Pruitt fired... If he doesn’t get it figured out, it’s a moot point. IF we beat Pitt, I’m guessing 6-6 unless they finally get offense on track. Well, all of it on track

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Yes. If your scenario where we don't get blown out happens

Yeah if we get blown out in all the losses then the answer is no

 

[volbeast33]

I mean, he won 8 with JG at QB. I don’t know why we think it’s impossible for him to win 8 next year with an upgraded staff and better QB play. He may not, but it certainly isn’t impossible

Yep I agree plus having an off season may give us a chance to insert some of these young guys in and we end up improving quite a bit.

 

[snowvols]

So this is just a mock schedule, im sure i have sent this in here before but obviously the first 3 games are probably accurate. That Pitt game is HUGE. We win it and we likely start out 3-0, then 8-4 is absolutely a realistic expectation. If we beat Pitt then I think we beat Mizzou, Kentucky, USCjr and Vandy, then obviously south alabama and possibly Ole Miss as well, so 9-3 wouldn’t be totally unrealistic. But if we lose to Pitt, then I think we go 5-7 with the other 3 ooc games as wins and then uscjr and Vandy as the only conference wins View attachment 339873

It is going to make it a lot more difficult that the Kentucky and Missouri games are on the road and they've been adding some big transfers. Ole Miss is going to have maybe the best offense in the country so that is going to be tough. The thing that is scary about the Pitt game is our offense vs their defense. They led the nation in sacks and tackles for loss this season. It's going to be really tough to win more than 6.

 

[Weezer]

Pruitt is doing everything right so far this offseason to make changes on the field. Given the investigation, things have gone decently this offseason besides a couple of key guys transferring. Say we go 8-4 or 9-3 next year and our biggest loss is by 18 points to Bama, would y’all’s opinion on him change at all?

Hypotheticals are great, but nothing changes until he shows real progress on the field. Players need to be developed. He needs to let coaches and coordinators do their jobs. He needs to win the games he's supposed to win, and be competitive in the games he's not. That's been the standard since the day he was hired, and he has failed to meet it. Maybe the blind squirrel finds a nut in season 4, but as of now, I have no reason to believe he does. For the sake of our team, I'm hoping, but I have zero faith it happens.

 

[WallyBalls]

Most people I know carry forward their season tickets or sales would look much worse for next year. Almost everyone I know is not going to renew and they are lucky that they asked early enough to carry forward the tickets. This administration isn’t going to wake up until fans wake up and start withdrawing funds.

That’s true, I imagine that’s what they’re banking on.

When I was getting my parents account squared away for them last April, they wanted to push theirs forward. I did ask the question would they have options in 2021 (upgrade/downgrade, refund, move sports, etc, or it was just locked in) and the rep said they would options. But they’d have to call and discuss.

Point being, I don’t think the carry forward people are locked into those donations and tickets. Sure, a fair amount will just roll on...but I’m guessing a lot won’t.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Is Jahmir Johnson coming back? I don’t know if he’s said one way or another

 

[Vols2DaWall]

Is Jahmir Johnson coming back? I don’t know if he’s said one way or another

I think all indications are that he is back

Edit- Although I'm sure we'll see some surprises when Monday rolls around and players X, Y, and Z are not on campus

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Yep I agree plus having an off season may give us a chance to insert some of these young guys in and we end up improving quite a bit.

We desperately need a full offseason. The Corona nonsense needs to go away now that we have a vaccine.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Yeah if we get blown out in all the losses then the answer is no

Which it shouldn't happen. UF will take a step back on O next year and their defense will probably remain average. UGA is loaded with talent but I dont think its coached very well at all. Bama is legit the only unwinnable game. Every other team on the schedule has major flaws.

 

[m1al]

I didn’t say everyone was emotional.... there are some emotionally based posts in here though..... Everyone needs to look at the big picture always..... I’m not sold on Pruitt either but I feel he deserves the chance to prove it or not.

True, there are posts of that nature, I've made a few myself. I don't think that's most people's "natural state" though. They get a bit of news, it hits them just right and voila...

As far as Pruitt desrving a chance or not, I lean toward no, but it sure is sounding like he's going to get it. So, maybe if they/he can put a "rock star" staff together and he takes a MASSIVE step in the CEO direction, this thing can be turned. Unfortunately, due to recent events and decisions he's made this year, he's made doing those all this infinitely harder on himself, his staff and the players...

 

[Kingston Vol]

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So this is just a mock schedule, im sure i have sent this in here before but obviously the first 3 games are probably accurate. That Pitt game is HUGE. We win it and we likely start out 3-0, then 8-4 is absolutely a realistic expectation. If we beat Pitt then I think we beat Mizzou, Kentucky, USCjr and Vandy, then obviously south alabama and possibly Ole Miss as well, so 9-3 wouldn’t be totally unrealistic. But if we lose to Pitt, then I think we go 5-7 with the other 3 ooc games as wins and then uscjr and Vandy as the only conference wins View attachment 339873

we’ve lost a full signing class to the transfer portal at this point - about 20 players. More will come throughout the spring and summer. Not a huge deal because there were few great players on the list, but it will hurt depth. We’re still going to be dealing with COVID protocols throughout the year so depth is even more important.

Anyway, if Pruitt is back, this team will lay down at the first sign of adversity because they know he’s on the hot seat. My guess is Pitt comes in and beats us ugly, 14-10 or something.

This is a 4 or 5 win team under Pruitt. 4-6 win team under a new coach.

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

What is our current recruiting ranking and where do we expect it to end up post NSD?