Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[rjd970]

So Derek Dooley’s resumé is better than JH’s?

Those parts are, yes. You said point to what is better and I did.

Very interesting you brought up Dooley. What was his SEC coordinator and HC experience before he took over? How did that turn out?

 

[MarcoVol]

I'm simply saying that writing off what the fanbase of the previous school is saying is foolhardy. They don't like him for a reason(s). Instead of unicorns and sunshine, perhaps we should listen.

Do you think Liberty fans would be happy to see Freeze leave? What about Chadwell at Coastal? Napier at ULL?

LOL give it a minute and yes, I feel all of those will have a season where the fans on a message board will be happy to see their current coach leave.

Do you think UCF fans would’ve been happy after JH’s first season if he left? How about his second?

 

[Ashevolle]

Cincy fans said the same thing about Butch and we said the same thing you are here. It's a red flag.

I'm sure Dolphins fans said the same about Saban. Fan sentiment is a poor metric for plotting future success.

 

[VFLPastor]

Twitter game on point in the new and improved Athletic Dept.

 

[KeepinUpWithJones]

I think this is the most pessimistic I’ve seen VN following a hire and yet I think chances are the greatest for success with JH than they were with the previous three hires

 

[Kingston Vol]

We will have better talent than Mizzou and will therefore have more offensive success than they did. No one here realistically thinks we're gonna hang 50 on Bama or Georgia.

For sure. How much better will be the key.

 

[Sleegro]

Twitter game on point in the new and improved Athletic Dept.

He even dropped a #TextYourBuddy in there. Hahahahaha. Lean into it with a little humor.

 

[MarcoVol]

Those parts are, yes. You said point to what is better and I did.

Very interesting you brought up Dooley. What was his SEC coordinator and HC experience before he took over? How did that turn out?

I didn’t ask the question, I’m poking holes in your silly argument.

You said bc of those qualifications that LK’s resumé is more impressive. Derek Dooley shares those same qualifications, now, in 2021.

So you think Derek Dooley, now in 2021, has a better resumé than JH because he has been both a HC and coordinator in the SEC.

 

[HankHill]

Looks more like a straight PA to me. None of the OL make it down field. Doesn't even look like the RB put his hands up to fake the run. Also the QB was looking right at the RB selling the fake handoff. Doesn't appear to be reading the safeties post snap. Its a fine play, but I don't think its an RPO.

OL can’t go down field on RPOs.... that’s how you get illegal man downfield. You’re looking at the wrong things.

 

[MemphisVol3]

I think this is the most pessimistic I’ve seen VN following a hire and yet I think chances are the greatest for success with JH than they were with the previous three hires

I’m in the boat with most thinking the key will be his defensive staff hires. I think he has a lot of potential to be great here. It will feel good not to have to worry about the offensive side of the ball now though.

 

[LA Vol]

yea I think 750-1mil is fair and would keep auburn away

I doubt it. If Auburn wants to make a case, they're going to demand UT pick up the tab, claiming that's FMV. UT and Steele can work within the contract or part ways and start fresh.

 

[HankHill]

We will have better talent than Mizzou and will therefore have more offensive success than they did. No one here realistically thinks we're gonna hang 50 on Bama or Georgia.

Ole miss just scored at will on bama. I don’t see any reason why we can’t score on anyone. Also Georgia sucks lol

 

[Vols4us]

Support is warranted if there is change and a willingness to help ones self. If we aren't willing to help ourselves apathy is not only warranted, it should be expected. I would be 100% on board and support if there was real change happening.

But there isn't.

A lower level coach that hasn't accomplished anything in the SEC or FBS has just been given the reigns - again. Just like the last 3 times - we are paying him on the lower end of the conference pay scale...and outside of all the stats and what not he is just another gamble at the end of the day. Just like last time he says all the right things in the press conference. Just like last time he brings something new and exciting. Meanwhile - you have guys like Hugh Freeze and Lane Kiffin that at the very least can appreciate what it takes to win in this conference all but begging to right this thing. This feels like Butch Jones 2.0.

I really hope CJH kills it here. I really really really do. I hope I have to eat a second helping of crow. But at the end of the day, at least right now, this is no different than what we have been doing. Rinse/Repeat all over again.

I've been through the hard times. Been a fan since the mid-80's. Every time since Fulmer was fired I got optimistic about the new coach. I'm done with that, its show me time. Until then, there is no reason to believe this will be any different.

Apathy. It is finally here for me.

Sorry you feel that way. Perfectly understand. But the statement in bold above is simply not true. One SEC coordinator that was hired in a coaching search mess by a former football coach turned AD in an emergency was not successful. The two previous to him were not former SEC coordinators. The only thing they have in common is they were G5 HC's. None of the others had distinguished, elite level college playing experience like CJH.

CJH is much different than Dools, Botch and Jerm. He has relevant extensive P5/SEC coordinator experience as well as G5 HC experience. The other three only had one of those two types of coaching experience as well as no elite level college playing careers. When you combine all three experiences it gives many of us an indication of a higher likelihood of success.

Just trying to help. Just ignore if it doesn't.

 

[Catbone]

The longer this goes on, the more it better be Steele. At this point it's going to be very very hard to get a decent DC

 

[MarcoVol]

The longer this goes on, the more it better be Steele. At this point it's going to be very very hard to get a decent DC

gIvE iT tO tEe isn’t he UT’s savior?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

After talking with some folks about how this offense will run, I just plainly don’t think we’re going to have success in the SEC. Doesn’t meant I’m not rooting to be wrong.

I hated the hire, got on board because that’s what fans do, then did some actual research. I don’t see how this path forward ends well.

Explain why then. Variations of this offense are already here in the SEC, and have been absolutely killing people...does LSU national championship ring a bell?

Why does it work for Ol Piss and not for us?

 

[Pacer92]

I promise reading anonymous message boards doesn’t tell you everything you need to know

I bet they have someone trolling a Gruden thread as we speak..

 

[Volnatic]

It’s definitely an rpo imo because they run this same look so much with run action or screen action. I think they probably just have a “hot” que on certain ones Where the RB or TE stays in or can leak out after.

You’d know better than me for sure. The hot read on the pass pro makes sense. Thanks for clarifying

 

[Vols4us]

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Random play I love that UCF runs. 11 personnel, This is a second level RPO. Pre snap: all the QB doing is counting the box. There’s 6 in the box pre snap... which is still a favorable run set because everyone is accounted for. But when the ball is snapped the QB is reading the safeties. FS drops back but the SS instantly crashes hard to play the run. On This particular play it has a slot fade being the primary option but because we know that either WR on the right side has one on one, you could also just use the slot vertical to clear out that side of the field then you have your 1 or 2 WR working one on one with a lot of inside space (slant/hook/drag... all easy completions with RAC opportunities)....and the best part is UCF has 7 pass blockers against 6 pass rushers Bc we know that safety isn’t going to make it home in time. It’s really simple too because all you’re doing is counting the box and if the safeties stay back you should get 3-5 yards a clip and if they crash in you have big play opportunities over their head.

Well done, Hank. Which could never be incorporated into a scheme with JG as QB because he could never count the guys in the box or read the coverage. Now we will have QB's playing that can.

 

[Volnatic]

I’m pretty sure Mullen did this against us several times this year if I’m not mistaken.

Was going to reply saying that was a staple for Florida in several games they played this year.

 

[MarcoVol]

I bet they have someone trolling a Gruden thread as we speak..

Imagine thinking reading an anonymous message board, where literally anyone can post, is “all you need to know”......about any situation

 

[MarcoVol]

Go take a look at UCF forums, they are very excited that we took Heupel off their hands. That tells you everything you need to know.

Is this the type of in-depth, detail-oriented research they encourage at MIT?

 

[Ashevolle]

Ole miss just scored at will on bama. I don’t see any reason why we can’t score on anyone. Also Georgia sucks lol

New coach, New system, old players. There will be some speed bumps even if we are destined for success.

 

[TechnoVol]

Evidently Tony thinks Danny White has to pay some penance to AD Greene to appease his lordship and ask forgiveness for the transgression of hiring Steele. Like what?

Did Basilio say this or his Guest Contributor on his blog?

 

[Kingston Vol]

Explain why then. Variations of this offense are already here in the SEC, and have been and are and killing people...does LSU national championship ring a bell?

Why does it work for Ol Piss and not for us?

I don't study the game at a high level, so I have to trust what I read and a few people I talk to who understand schematics.

But my understanding is this is not Lane Kiffin's Ole Miss offense. It is basically Briles' Baylor offense.