Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[drvenner]

Wrong. These people made it for him:

IDC who made it. I ain't dancing now.

 

[drvenner]

Sonics forever baby.

Dale Ellis scored a lot of points for them, back in the day.

 

[drvenner]

ability, 0 effort apparently

Insane what God given talent some will waste

Well, I have wasted all of stunning good lucks and buff dad bod by working in Quality Assurance for the last 24 + years.

 

[Vols4us]

Buck Reising on The Zone was just talking about a potential trade between the Titans and Packers. Tannehill for Rogers! I was only able to listen for a couple of minutes. Has anyone else heard this?

Woah! Was just reading an ESPN article on Rodgers' war with the GM.

 

[drvenner]

I have been pushed too far...I am over beating around the bush with the whack job freaks over how I feel about all this moronic divisive stupidity...they sure as hell don't.

OK

 

[Revived2002]

My biggest concern is things only got worse at UCF over his three years there. (COVID year shouldn't really count, I'd say that was a 9-10 win team under normal circumstances.)

Anyway, how will Heupel's system look with a roster Jeremy Pruitt built vs. a roster Scott Frost built? That's my biggest question.

If Heupel's tenure involves him bouncing between undefeated regular seasons and 7-8 win seasons, I'll take it!

I'm not worried about his track record at all. It is honestly the best track record of any head coach we've hired since Fulmer, even if it isn't perfect. I'm optimistic about where we're headed (even if I'm bearish on 2021).

 

[Kingston Vol]

worse than 3-7?

The question you're presenting is a false equivalency, in my opinion. Will Josh Heupel, on the whole, be better than Jeremy Pruitt's 2020 record? I have little doubt. It would be a disaster for us to win 3 or fewer games this year. I'd say it's damn near impossible.

But, I don't think it's correct to say that just because Jeremy Pruitt was a failure that Josh Heupel has to be *better* by default. It is very plausible to me that the end result is the same - a new coach after a lackluster three years.

So, again, I was very pro-firing Jeremy Pruitt. I was way ahead of the curve on that decision. And at the end of the day, if you asked me in December of 2020 if I would take Heupel or Pruitt in a vacuum, I would have signed up for Heupel.

But that doesn't mean I think it will work out.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

My biggest concern is things only got worse at UCF over his three years there. (COVID year shouldn't really count, I'd say that was a 9-10 win team under normal circumstances.)

Anyway, how will Heupel's system look with a roster Jeremy Pruitt built vs. a roster Scott Frost built? That's my biggest question.

I don't think it's fair to say that it got worse. I mean it did, but as you said, covid year doesn't count. It's been pointed out several times that they had 10 or more opt outs on that team and they lost some really close games with the exception of the BYU game where they got shellacked against the number 2 overall pick in the draft.

But they went undefeated in 2018. Going 10-3 is worse yes, but it's still 10-3. And his problem at UCF was not the offense. It was clearly the defense. He had a top 5 offense in the country his entire time there. The problem was his defense couldn't stop anybody. Now, the fair question is to ask, is that because of Randy Shannon, or is that because of Heupel's system being unfriendly to defenses. We better hope that it's the former because, if not, we may have a 2012 type team that can score on everyone but can't stop anyone either during Heup's time here.

Also, Scott frost didn't build that roster. He was doing the same thing there on offense in 2020 with his own recruits. His offense was actually better than Frost's ever was if I'm not mistaken, and he had Gabriel at QB and not Milton who is far better. Scott Frost didn't recruit any better at UCF than Heupel did. It isn't like Frost was bringing in studs and then Heup regressed in recruiting. That's a false narrative.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

If Heupel's tenure involves him bouncing between undefeated regular seasons and 7-8 win seasons, I'll take it!

I'm not worried about his track record at all. It is honestly the best track record of any head coach we've hired since Fulmer, even if it isn't perfect. I'm optimistic about where we're headed (even if I'm bearish on 2021).

*since Major's

 

[thistime]

I was looking at the guys were are recruiting for the OL and noticed something that I think is smart, almost all are tall and under 300lb, that's how you build a OL. They seem to be going for the guys that will grow into the position and not somebody they can throw into it. Develop what we have now and set yourself up to have a good OL year after year by DEVELOPING the recruits you get. I would wager these recruits are quick and fast as well. You can make somebody bigger and stronger but you can't make them quicker and faster.

 

[Jackcrevol]

The question you're presenting is a false equivalency, in my opinion. Will Josh Heupel, on the whole, be better than Jeremy Pruitt's 2020 record? I have little doubt. It would be a disaster for us to win 3 or fewer games this year. I'd say it's damn near impossible.

But, I don't think it's correct to say that just because Jeremy Pruitt was a failure that Josh Heupel has to be *better* by default. It is very plausible to me that the end result is the same - a new coach after a lackluster three years.

So, again, I was very pro-firing Jeremy Pruitt. I was way ahead of the curve on that decision. And at the end of the day, if you asked me in December of 2020 if I would take Heupel or Pruitt in a vacuum, I would have signed up for Heupel.

But that doesn't mean I think it will work out.

no offense man but, does it really matter? Pruitt was such hot buttered garbage...he was the worst coach in UT history.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I don't think it's fair to say that it got worse. I mean it did, but as you said, covid year doesn't count. It's been pointed out several times that they had 10 or more opt outs on that team and they lost some really close games with the exception of the BYU game where they got shellacked against the number 2 overall pick in the draft.

But they went undefeated in 2018. Going 10-3 is worse yes, but it's still 10-3. And his problem at UCF was not the offense. It was clearly the defense. He had a top 5 offense in the country his entire time there. The problem was his defense couldn't stop anybody. Now, the fair question is to ask, is that because of Randy Shannon, or is that because of Heupel's system being unfriendly to defenses. We better hope that it's the former because, if not, we may have a 2012 type team that can score on everyone but can't stop anyone either during Heup's time here.

Also, Scott frost didn't build that roster. He was doing the same thing there on offense in 2020 with his own recruits. His offense was actually better than Frost's ever was if I'm not mistaken, and he had Gabriel at QB and not Milton who is far better. Scott Frost didn't recruit any better at UCF than Heupel did. It isn't like Frost was bringing in studs and then Heup regressed in recruiting. That's a false narrative.

I don't mean to say that Frost was recruiting better than Heupel at UCF. I think the stats say he wasn't.

What I mean is that Frost was recruiting players built for an up-tempo, spread offensive system. It was a very easy transition from Frost to Heupel. (It's a big reason why he got that job.)

Jeremy Pruitt was recruiting for the polar opposite offensive scheme. I think it's fair to say the transition to Heupel will be far more drastic and take a longer period of time. If it takes more than three years (I have no idea how long it will take), it's very possible he doesn't get the chance to see the rebuild through.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I don't mean to say that Frost was recruiting better than Heupel at UCF. I think the stats say he wasn't.

What I mean is that Frost was recruiting players built for an up-tempo, spread offensive system. It was a very easy transition from Frost to Heupel. (It's a big reason why he got that job.)

Jeremy Pruitt was recruiting for the polar opposite offensive scheme. I think it's fair to say the transition to Heupel will be far more drastic and take a longer period of time. If it takes more than three years (I have no idea how long it will take), it's very possible he doesn't get the chance to see the rebuild through.

Oh I get it. Who knows? I think we're lucky that Pruitt recruited a bunch of speed demons at wide receiver. I don't see us lacking speed on the offensive side of the ball. How does the OL play in this system? That's a question that we don't know the answer to.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

The question you're presenting is a false equivalency, in my opinion. Will Josh Heupel, on the whole, be better than Jeremy Pruitt's 2020 record? I have little doubt. It would be a disaster for us to win 3 or fewer games this year. I'd say it's damn near impossible.

But, I don't think it's correct to say that just because Jeremy Pruitt was a failure that Josh Heupel has to be *better* by default. It is very plausible to me that the end result is the same - a new coach after a lackluster three years.

So, again, I was very pro-firing Jeremy Pruitt. I was way ahead of the curve on that decision. And at the end of the day, if you asked me in December of 2020 if I would take Heupel or Pruitt in a vacuum, I would have signed up for Heupel.

But that doesn't mean I think it will work out.

You're already predicting/considering it likely that Heupel is a failure here and is gone after 3 years?...Christ

Josh Heupel isn't better by default, he's better bc he's not a complete loser and he actually wants to be here. If he flops I think he'll be looked at like Dooley, just way in over his head and inherited a bad situation. Butch and Pruitt are complete losers though.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

edit: that is impressive considering she isnt overly muscular. at that ratio weight/strength, she is strong as crap.

This video is 6 years old. I’ve seen her do 325 with no hands on the spot, looking like she had 10-15 more pounds she could have hit

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[Kingston Vol]

no offense man but, does it really matter? Pruitt was such hot buttered garbage...he was the worst coach in UT history.

Right, but you're comparing Heupel to Pruitt. I don't think that strategy bears any fruit. You don't hire a coach to simply be better than the person he replaced. You hire him - especially at a place like Tennessee - to be good.

Pruitt was 16-19 through three years. I personally believe the 2021 roster is the worst we've had in a long time - both from a talent and scheme-fit perspective. If I am right, 4-5 wins seem most realistic.

If we only win 4 games this year, Heupel will have to go roughly .500 the next two years to match Pruitt's win total. Can he do it? I expect he can.

Will that be good enough to keep his job? That's where the doubt starts to creep in.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I don't mean to say that Frost was recruiting better than Heupel at UCF. I think the stats say he wasn't.

What I mean is that Frost was recruiting players built for an up-tempo, spread offensive system. It was a very easy transition from Frost to Heupel. (It's a big reason why he got that job.)

Jeremy Pruitt was recruiting for the polar opposite offensive scheme. I think it's fair to say the transition to Heupel will be far more drastic and take a longer period of time. If it takes more than three years (I have no idea how long it will take), it's very possible he doesn't get the chance to see the rebuild through.

“Polar Opposite offensive scheme” = no offense

 

[UTMVol76]

Right, but you're comparing Heupel to Pruitt. I don't think that strategy bears any fruit. You don't hire a coach to simply be better than the person he replaced. You hire him - especially at a place like Tennessee - to be good.

Pruitt was 16-19 through three years. I personally believe the 2021 roster is the worst we've had in a long time - both from a talent and scheme-fit perspective. If I am right, 4-5 wins seem most realistic.

If we only win 4 games this year, Heupel will have to go roughly .500 the next two years to match Pruitt's win total. Can he do it? I expect he can.

Will that be good enough to keep his job? That's where the doubt starts to creep in.

I personally think the 2013 roster was the worst.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Did hank really just say that Asian people don’t like black people?? wth?

Broad stereotype with some truth to it, from someone who has lived in Asia for 14 years

 

[Kingston Vol]

“Polar Opposite offensive scheme” = no offense

Precisely.

Slow it down, don't turn the ball over, let the defense win the game.

Heupel could not be more opposite.

Like I'm saying, I have no doubt our offense will be good given Heupel's credentials. My question is how soon it will be "good" given what he is inheriting.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

On a side note...did the Ancestry thing and found out I am .4% sub-saharan and .4% northern African...

All lives matter.

Did you get to claim the 1/16th Cherokee Indian that everyone in East Tennessee claims?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Did you get to claim the 1/16th Cherokee Indian that everyone in East Tennessee claims?

My grandpa's grandmother was pure blood Cherokee, so it's actually true for me.

 

[OrangeBlood4life]

Did you get to claim the 1/16th Cherokee Indian that everyone in East Tennessee claims?

On a related note, I just found out my grandfather is an official member of a native American tribe. Has the card from them... if so, that'll put me at 1/16... I have a supervisor job coming up.. I'll be changing my ethnicity . Lol.

 

[mkil5]

If Heupel's tenure involves him bouncing between undefeated regular seasons and 7-8 win seasons, I'll take it!

I'm not worried about his track record at all. It is honestly the best track record of any head coach we've hired since Fulmer, even if it isn't perfect. I'm optimistic about where we're headed (even if I'm bearish on 2021).

Butch had a better track record at the time of his hire. He had won 4 conference championships in the six years prior.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I personally think the 2013 roster was the worst.

Certainly in the discussion. Either way, it's a bad group to be in.

I personally think I am being fairer to Heupel than others are given what I think about this roster. If he wins anything over 4 games, I will consider it a job well done. I think he has inherited just about the (realistic) worst case scenario given how he wants to run this team.

My fear is people expecting 6-7 wins will start killing him by November.