Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Devo182]

He outperformed Fromm. Fromm’s team didn’t even make the championship game.

Not talking HS teams. Just how they were evaluated for the next level.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Why are we already giving up on a guy who is technically a freshman and just had his first spring and fall camp?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Marvin Harrison was a good receiver but wasn’t HOF until #18 threw the ball to him. Reggie Wayne will wear that jacket also. Players like Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon and Dominic Rhodes benefitted on their bank account from the association. Point is, a player running around real fast without the ball is a fast person…but little else.

Well said

 

[SweetasSoda]

Never seriously considered Testosterone replacement, but I’m pretty sure my levels tanked after watching that

 

[butchna]

Not talking HS teams. Just how they were evaluated for the next level.

We were comparing CAREERS and Bailey hasn’t had one yet in college. So…only basis for comparison is high school.

 

[butchna]

Why are we already giving up on a guy who is technically a freshman and just had his first spring and fall camp?

It’s our way.

 

[Devo182]

It was also the quotes from unnamed sources if I recall. I understand not revealing a source and writing an article based on that information. But quotes from unnamed sources are a bit different.

Just a necessity of the job, I'd say. Like the article yesterday from anonymous HS coaches on Pruitt. Nobody seemed to care about that. Or the annual "anonymous SEC coaches on SEC HCs" article. People only get into a ruckus over anonymous sources when it's negative toward their team/coaches, which I suppose is a necessity of being a fan lol.

 

[volbeast33]

Any news on how the DL is responding to Garner's pushing?

Will ask about today but has said Garner has the line looking pretty good….. my source may not understand what all Garner is trying to get out of them. These a spurts where he gets to see them as well…. Big difference in giving that much effort for a whole game.

 

[butchna]

Just a necessity of the job, I'd say. Like the article yesterday from anonymous HS coaches on Pruitt. Nobody seemed to care about that. Or the annual "anonymous SEC coaches on SEC HCs" article. People only get into a ruckus over anonymous sources when it's negative toward their team/coaches, which I suppose is a necessity of being a fan lol.

Weren’t the anonymous sources RIVAL COACHES? Considering sources.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

If we write him off I hope the kid goes somewhere and blows up...I won't blame him. Heupel himself was nothing special as an athlete.

In what way do you mean he was nothing special as an athlete? He was Heisman runner-up, an all-American, AP player of the year, and Walter Camp award winner.

Do you mean, like, he can’t run fast?

 

[Devo182]

We were comparing CAREERS and Bailey hasn’t had one yet in college. So…only basis for comparison is high school.

K, I was making a bit of a tangential comment. I have no comment on college careers, kid has played a handful of games lol. Just saying he wasn't predicted to be as good as the others coming out of hs and he needs time. That's all.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Heup has made it an open competition….. he is just not winning it right now….. it is a simple as that.

He doesn't look like a greek god and throw it 75 yards on a rope, or run like a gazelle. I think all coaches get blinded by extreme athleticism and the crazy potential it brings. But the greatest QBs ever have not been those athletic freaks. Peyton was a statue with a adequate arm, same for Brady...Brees sure isn't an athletic big armed freak either...or Montana..

All those guys are the greatest because of one thing...they almost always threw it where their receivers could catch it. That is the single most important aspect in being a great QB imo. Throwing it to accurately to the right reciever.

 

[butchna]

In what way do you mean he was nothing special as an athlete? He was Heisman runner-up, an all-American, AP player of the year, and Walter Camp award winner.

Do you mean, like, he can’t run fast?

Yeah. He couldn’t…and still can’t.

 

[Devo182]

Weren’t the anonymous sources RIVAL COACHES? Considering sources.

Yeah I think some may have been from outside the program (not sure where from), a few were noted as being from the inside as well iirc.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

In what way do you mean he was nothing special as an athlete? He was Heisman runner-up, an all-American, AP player of the year, and Walter Camp award winner.

Do you mean, like, he can’t run fast?

OMG are you that obtuse, or are you just messing with me? Of course I mean exactly what I said..he was no great athlete, but he was a great college QB.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Why are we already giving up on a guy who is technically a freshman and just had his first spring and fall camp?

Because he is slow and can't throw it over dem mountains..

 

[butchna]

Yeah I think some may have been from outside the program (not sure where from), a few were noted as being from the inside as well iirc.

The most vicious were from sources that didn’t have our best interest at heart and were given their due weight.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I just want to point out that I never said anything like that (Considering someone has taken over the back and forth with you over a comment I made about HB's receivers being studs)

All I implied was that HB's HS numbers could be inflated because he played with great receivers, and I stick by that

BUT, I never said that HB can't or won't be good in college

I'm not arguing with that. My point continues to be that said receivers have not yet been studs in college, but they get all the credit for what happened in high school.

 

[RiotVol]

What about Charley High….. he threw for 5,100 yards and 59 touchdowns his senior year. I just don’t think you can take much from high school stats bc there are so many variables involved.

He wasn't playing in the highest classification in one of the deepest pools of talent in the country.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

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Change Clooney to Fteeze

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

He wasn't playing in the highest classification in one of the deepest pools of talent in the country.

As soon as Beast said that..it was the first thing that crossed my mind..it seems obvious.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Why are we already giving up on a guy who is technically a freshman and just had his first spring and fall camp?

Because he had stud WRs in HS.

 

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[nicksjuzunk]

Some WSU Cougar fans are gonna get a slap in the mouth when they get a good taste of "Game-Day Guarantano". . . it's kinda surprising that his bad performances are seemingly overlooked. Truth is, I hope he gets it right and has a great year, but it seems like he's still making the same bad decisions with the same bad habits.

I’m never gonna hate on that kid, but facts…

He is not a good quarterback and that fanbase is selling them selves a statistical fantasy

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I remember all the people that wanted Stewart instead of Peyton...