Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[butchna]

As soon as Beast said that..it was the first thing that crossed my mind..it seems obvious.

Apples to asparagus.

 

[NMVol]

He doesn't look like a greek god and throw it 75 yards on a rope, or run like a gazelle. I think all coaches get blinded by extreme athleticism and the crazy potential it brings. But the greatest QBs ever have not been those athletic freaks. Peyton was a statue with a adequate arm, same for Brady...Brees sure isn't an athletic big armed freak either...or Montana..

All those guys are the greatest because of one thing...they almost always threw it where their receivers could catch it. That is the single most important aspect in being a great QB imo. Throwing it to accurately to the right reciever.

Think you're over-looking the Heath Shuler college ball factor.

 

[Devo182]

He doesn't look like a greek god and throw it 75 yards on a rope, or run like a gazelle. I think all coaches get blinded by extreme athleticism and the crazy potential it brings. But the greatest QBs ever have not been those athletic freaks. Peyton was a statue with a adequate arm, same for Brady...Brees sure isn't an athletic big armed freak either...or Montana..

All those guys are the greatest because of one thing...they almost always threw it where their receivers could catch it. That is the single most important aspect in being a great QB imo. Throwing it to accurately to the reciever.

100%. It sounds like that is what Hype is following as well at the end of the day. Milton has apparently been more consistently accurate than Hooker so far it seems. And Hooker was a decent passer last year too. Actually rated a bit higher than Milton per PFF.

Wish we had more stats, like we have for SEC guys like we do with SEC StatCat. Would be interested to see what their interceptable% and uncatchable% and inaccurate% were relative to...say JG, Maurer, HB, Shrout (all of whom ranked pretty poorly in said regards, though I remember Shrout looking good in some category...I believe he also led in ADOT...kid only threw haymakers).

 

[Jack Burton]

An article like this came out about Butch and we tarred the guy. Had to leave the beat, actually.

Yep, the homers cancelled him. It’s really embarrassing that it came to that and just perpetuates the view that we’re all a bunch of ignorant blowhards. Should be a lesson to everyone to actually attempt to listen rather than shoot the messenger.

Feldman also wrote an article in the Spring of Butch’s last season about how we didn’t look like an SEC team. Same type of reaction from our fans, “Oh, he don’t know nuthin!” then we go 0-8 in SEC play. We could stand to be a little more open to difficult reporting.

 

[Catbone]

Sweet now Bama, UGA, Clemson, and Ohio State can get even more 5 stars!

 

[volbeast33]

He doesn't look like a greek god and throw it 75 yards on a rope, or run like a gazelle. I think all coaches get blinded by extreme athleticism and the crazy potential it brings. But the greatest QBs ever have not been those athletic freaks. Peyton was a statue with a adequate arm, same for Brady...Brees sure isn't an athletic big armed freak either...or Montana..

All those guys are the greatest because of one thing...they almost always threw it where their receivers could catch it. That is the single most important aspect in being a great QB imo. Throwing it to accurately to the right reciever.

Not a single QB that you mentioned won a college championship….. cam Newton,Deshaun Watson, and Vince Young did…… you can find examples of both style of QBs that dominated in college though…. My person has watched the majority of the practices and in those practices Bailey is behind even if you take out the ability to run the ball….. Throwing deep is one of the biggest skills needed to run this offense bc we run verticals all day long. Bailey has not been very accurate on those passes.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Think you're over-looking the Heath Shuler college ball factor.

I never said those guys couldn't be great college QBs also, I just think some guys get passed over because of this infatuation with big armed, dual threat guys. If Worley had went somewhere with a coach like Mike Leach, straight out of HS, I think the narrative on him would be vastly different. His career was ruined forever trying to make Botchs dumbass thing work.

 

[SweetasSoda]

In what way do you mean he was nothing special as an athlete? He was Heisman runner-up, an all-American, AP player of the year, and Walter Camp award winner.

Do you mean, like, he can’t run fast?

You must look the part now.

 

[VolGee4]

Just a necessity of the job, I'd say. Like the article yesterday from anonymous HS coaches on Pruitt. Nobody seemed to care about that. Or the annual "anonymous SEC coaches on SEC HCs" article. People only get into a ruckus over anonymous sources when it's negative toward their team/coaches, which I suppose is a necessity of being a fan lol.

I'm not a journalism expert, but I think the last resort is to use anonymous sources with quotes. It's a little different than just getting your point across by passing on what the writer has learned from anonymous sources.

I have always taken the "anonymous SEC coaches on SEC HC's" with a grain of salt. Talk about having agendas.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Sweet now Bama, UGA, Clemson, and Ohio State can get even more 5 stars!

It doesn't change the 85 limit, so not really.

It would make it much easier for teams to overcome lots of attrition.

 

[SweetasSoda]

He doesn't look like a greek god and throw it 75 yards on a rope, or run like a gazelle. I think all coaches get blinded by extreme athleticism and the crazy potential it brings. But the greatest QBs ever have not been those athletic freaks. Peyton was a statue with a adequate arm, same for Brady...Brees sure isn't an athletic big armed freak either...or Montana..

All those guys are the greatest because of one thing...they almost always threw it where their receivers could catch it. That is the single most important aspect in being a great QB imo. Throwing it to accurately to the right reciever.

People forget Peyton didn't win the starting job when he came in. Remember people saying he was only rated so high because of who his daddy was and the team he played on.

 

[NMVol]

I never said those guys couldn't be great college QBs also, I just think some guys get passed over because of this infatuation with big armed, dual threat guys. If Worley had went somewhere with a coach like Mike Leach, straight out of HS, I think the narrative on him would be vastly different. His career was ruined forever trying to make Botchs dumbass thing work.

Right, and Andy Kelly probably wouldn't have worked out in Heup's system.

 

[volbeast33]

Any news on how the DL is responding to Garner's pushing?

Ok…. I found out…. He says that it’s hard to tell bc we aren’t taking people the ground and that we just wrap up….. he said that there was a lot of penetration especially when Bailey was in the game…. Not sure who was in blocking though bc we rotate a lot still. One time a guy was running blind side at Bailey but we aren’t allowed to touch the QBs.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

100%. It sounds like that is what Hype is following as well at the end of the day. Milton has apparently been more consistently accurate than Hooker so far it seems. And Hooker was a decent passer last year too. Actually rated a bit higher than Milton per PFF.

Wish we had more stats, like we have for SEC guys like we do with SEC StatCat. Would be interested to see what their interceptable% and uncatchable% and inaccurate% were relative to...say JG, Maurer, HB, Shrout (all of whom ranked pretty poorly in said regards, though I remember Shrout looking good in some category...I believe he also led in ADOT...kid only threw haymakers).

Bad thing is, you can take literally nothing out of what HB did last year...there was so much wrong that it is a wonder he hasn't been ruined for good by the experience. He had literally no development and when he did finally get a little development, it was utter garbage crap development, and then he was forced to try to look great while running a horse offense where everything was wrong...with absolute garbage protection.

 

[volbeast33]

People forget Peyton didn't win the starting job when he came in. Remember people saying he was only rated so high because of who his daddy was and the team he played on.

I didn’t think he looked that good and Stewart should get the job….. Glad I was wrong lol

 

[VolGee4]

Yep, the homers cancelled him. It’s really embarrassing that it came to that and just perpetuates the view that we’re all a bunch of ignorant blowhards. Should be a lesson to everyone to actually attempt to listen rather than shoot the messenger.

Feldman also wrote an article in the Spring of Butch’s last season about how we didn’t look like an SEC team. Same type of reaction from our fans, “Oh, he don’t know nuthin!” then we go 0-8 in SEC play. We could stand to be a little more open to difficult reporting.

Why would I do that? I root for my team, and I can't fire the coach.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Not a single QB that you mentioned won a college championship….. cam Newton,Deshaun Watson, and Vince Young did…… you can find examples of both style of QBs that dominated in college though…. My person has watched the majority of the practices and in those practices Bailey is behind even if you take out the ability to run the ball….. Throwing deep is one of the biggest skills needed to run this offense bc we run verticals all day long. Bailey has not been very accurate on those passes.

Ok...but if that is what the offense depends on to function...we are screwed.

 

[Rishvol]

Not a single QB that you mentioned won a college championship….. cam Newton,Deshaun Watson, and Vince Young did…… you can find examples of both style of QBs that dominated in college though…. My person has watched the majority of the practices and in those practices Bailey is behind even if you take out the ability to run the ball….. Throwing deep is one of the biggest skills needed to run this offense bc we run verticals all day long. Bailey has not been very accurate on those passes.

Who does your guy want to win? It sounds like Milton will win and if he does I hope he has a NC heistman type season, but if your guy wants it to be Milton or Hooker than he will see Bailey being worse than both.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I didn’t think he looked that good and Stewart should get the job….. Glad I was wrong lol

Same with Bailey

 

[volbeast33]

Ok...but if that is what the offense depends on to function...we are screwed.

Watch the videos on it…. We are running similar action to what Baylor use to run with a few wrinkles.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Watch the videos on it…. We are running similar action to what Baylor use to run with a few wrinkles.

I have...you have to be able to hit those short-intermediates consistently too for the offense to hum.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

I didn’t see the roughing call either…. That’s ridiculous

@Enki_Amenra
1. The first penalty was roughing the snapper not the kicker. The snapper gets protection in a scrimmage kick formation and you can clearly see him get blown up right as he snaps it. The signal by the referee is the same, the announcer just didn’t know.
2. The second kick did go through the uprights but the play was blown dead because of a false start on the offense. The official under the upright was just signaling that the play never happened.

No wonder why there is a shortage of officials. People don’t know the rules and rely on the uneducated announcers for their judgement.

 

[SweetasSoda]

It doesn't change the 85 limit, so not really.

It would make it much easier for teams to overcome lots of attrition.

True...still those schools can get rid of their 5* that don't work out and replace with more. But I think it's necessary for schools that have a mass exodus with a coaching change.

 

[SSVol]

I have...you have to be able to hit those short-intermediates consistently too for the offense to hum.

So how has Milton looked in practice? Pretty good? Pretty bad?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Ok…. I found out…. He says that it’s hard to tell bc we aren’t taking people the ground and that we just wrap up….. he said that there was a lot of penetration especially when Bailey was in the game…. Not sure who was in blocking though bc we rotate a lot still. One time a guy was running blind side at Bailey but we aren’t allowed to touch the QBs.

Yeah, that would be hard to really tell when playing that way. Thanks