Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Orangeslice13]

Hoping UT isn't overconfident........................

How could that even be possible?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Occasionally i realize I have not seen someone in a while. Today it’s @chargervol
Anyone seen him recently?

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Occasionally i realize I have not seen someone in a while. Today it’s @chargervol
Anyone seen him recently?

Yeah he’s posted some in last week or so.

 

[JCVol00]

Imagine the media if we beat Florida and start the season 4-0

 

[Glitch]

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Thank goodness it is going to miss you! That was a one call.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Imagine the media if we beat Florida and start the season 4-0

imagine it.

 

[peaygolf]

How could that even be possible?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Imo Frost himself is a good coach. He made two big mistakes. He let his heart and friends make the decisions to go to Nebraska instead of what his mind was telling him was not a good fit for his system. His style of offense needs speed your not going to recruit that to freaking Nebraska. So mistake number 1 was picking Nebraska over Florida/TN. His system will only work in SEC/ACC/Big 12/Pac 12 where he can recruit the type of kid consistently that he needs. Mistake number 2 his loyalty to his entire staff. He literally took everybody… everyone from UCF to Nebraska. Blind Loyalty. He didn’t use the opportunity of going to a bigger stage to surround himself with a staff capable of succeeding on that stage. I understand take a few guys like Heupel did but you have to leave the other dudes you know can’t handle it behind and upgrade. Now that I think about it that is why Florida job didn’t work out is bc they told him no to his entire staff and looks like they were right.

But explain to me why he could not recruit his type of players and run his type of offense at Nebraska. Everyone keeps saying this. UM did at Ohio State.

 

[TrippieRedd]

But explain to me why he could not recruit his type of players and run his type of offense at Nebraska. Everyone keeps saying this. UM did at Ohio State.

Difference in the type of players he could get.

I’d say the main reason is location. Nebraska sucks as a whole.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Difference in the type of players he could get.

I’d say the main reason is location. Nebraska sucks as a whole.

But he was on top of the world when he went there. Surely he could have gotten enough of his type of players to at least beat the majority of the teams he played. I am not talking about beating OSU. But consider who he has lost to and by how much.

 

[Jackcrevol]

But he was on top of the world when he went there. Surely he could have gotten enough of his type of players to at least beat the majority of the teams he played. I am not talking about beating OSU. But consider who he has lost to and by how much.

agree. BG10 is a joke, other than PSU and OSU. No excuses.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

But he was on top of the world when he went there. Surely he could have gotten enough of his type of players to at least beat the majority of the teams he played. I am not talking about beating OSU. But consider who he has lost to and by how much.

I think, initially, he was getting players he wanted. It's crazy how many have left. I think he has just 1 Florida player he recruited still on the team.

Even so, they should be hammering Illinois in y4.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Imagine the media if we beat Florida and start the season 4-0

When my friend when.

 

[Volnukem]

Ranking college football's 25 best programs of all time

Vols at 10

 

[Brillovol]

Time for the brisket process.

First, we start with an untrimmed 17 lb brisket from a local butcher shop.



As you can see, there is a lot of fat and it’s generally not well-shaped. So I cut back the fat quite a bit, shaped it considerably, and partially separated the point from the flat. I would guess I cut off 2 lb of excess. After seasoning with salt, pepper, and some Meat Church Holy Gospel rub, it looks like this…



I threw it on at 4 pm last night to have it ready for lunch today. Nursed it overnight at 225° and wrapped it at midnight with pink butcher paper. Best combination of bark and moisture, IMO. So I wasn’t stressing during church and to give it ample rest, I pulled it off this morning at 7 am…



You can clearly see the point and flat, which was easy to separate since the remaining fat deckle was rendered so well. I take the flat, wrap it in aluminum foil, and throw it in a cooler with towels to hold in the heat. Next, I take the point and dice it up into 1” cubes, toss it with seasoning, toss it again with sauce, then smoke it for another hour to create burnt ends. Here is the finished product…



Pull the burnt ends off the smoker, seal it with aluminum foil, put it in the cooler with the flat, and then we’re off to church. Lunch will be served at 12:15 pm for all who want to come over.

 

[Nashvegas31]

But explain to me why he could not recruit his type of players and run his type of offense at Nebraska. Everyone keeps saying this. UM did at Ohio State.

For one, Urban came from championships at Florida not Central Florida. He also took over a program already been winning championships it’s just so happen Tressel got in trouble. Kids from Southeast and West coast don’t consistently want to play in Big Ten if they have a choice. Very rare to find ones that do and those will pick Ohio St/PSU/Michigan before Nebraska. The biggest factor of all though being it’s freaking Nebraska. Nobody wants to live in Nebraska or sees a future outside of football raising family in Nebraska at least not the fastest kids in football that his style needs. This honestly should be obvious answer to your question

 

[Vols4us]

Barnes and Vitello were up against a different landscape though. They definitely overachieved but the mountain to climb in SEC football is Everest. There’s so much more money involved, and teams on top have a vested interest in keeping their foot on our neck. Then we have an issue with the NCAA.

I think Heupel is the best hire we’ve made in a long time, but to get to where we want to go, there needs to be some major shakeups elsewhere in the SEC. We need some luck in the worst way.

Well, alrighty then. If you are correct, in 4 years you can throw it in my face and I will eat crow. TL;dr version follows.

FWIW, I see each sport as a separate entity with basketball having its ultimate prize as FF/NC from March Madness. I see baseball with ultimate prize being the CWS/NC.

Barnes followed the aftermath that extended from Pearl to Tyndall, which included the NCAA breathing down their necks. Voltello followed the awful Raleigh era and the surprisingly unsuccessful Serano tenure.

Both had to be rebuilt from the ashes with cast offs and wannabes. Barnes took what he could get and developed them and the team from unusual parts that traditional programs rarely use. See Grant and Admiral as examples. Haters said - "see, he can't recruit at at a high level at UT." They are silent about that today. Voltello took a type of player that small ball Serrano recruited, who is an excellent college coach, and rebuilt the roster more appropriately to compete well against the best in the SEC, which is the best in college baseball. He developed and blended in the Serrano guys who stayed and used them where they could be used - successfully - just like Barnes. Nobody says UT cannot recruit in baseball today. They had similar money to work with as the rest of the SEC - without the tradition of the elite in the SEC. Voltello doesn't even have good facilities.

Which tells me the money involved had less to do with it in those sports. However, the money did follow the success in both sports in an effort to sustain the level they achieved and move them over the top to elite status in the future. So money appeared as success was proven.

What was once gained has been totally lost in football other than tradition. Ground zero, burned to the ground. Heup comes in to rebuild with those who stayed to fight on (hmmm, character with a bit of "KMA haters") like Barnes and Voltello. Rebuild with one of the best in the nation leading the UTAD providing full support and being that same AD's guy. Rebuild with dedicated, competent leaders in the executive offices of UT. Rebuild with a proven, up and comer HC who is highly innovative and a players coach. A guy and his staff who has beaten and been highly competitive against better competition using less talent in their backgrounds. All of the needed facilities, fan support, player support, environment along with plenty of money to get the job done while playing the tough SEC schedule to achieve top 10 status long term. That's SEC division champion level. That's when even more money follows to take the next step - which is the level basketball and baseball have just started to work to attain without having the tradition of having done so in their past.

The football brand of Tennessee does have a tradition of winning it all at times in its history. It can again, now that the ingredients for success are there. Which IMO, but not yours, can happen without something negative happening to others in the SEC. Saban is a defensive guru who is dependent on hiring OC's who can innovate. He is far closer to the end of his career than the beginning. Heup is the offensive guru who is dependent on hiring DC's who can innovate. He is far closer to the beginning of his HC career than the end. To be the best you design your program to beat the very best - Bama. Nobody else in the SEC or nation matters because if you beat Bama on a regular basis, 90+% of the time you are regularly beating everybody else like Bama is doing now. Others will rise up occasionally like Clemson, LSU, etc. - to eventually fall down. Tennessee is the one program who has consistently held its own against Bama during several extended periods of its history.

IMO that began again in 2021. Time will tell. Go Vols!

 

[Vols4us]

Imo Frost himself is a good coach. He made two big mistakes. He let his heart and friends make the decisions to go to Nebraska instead of what his mind was telling him was not a good fit for his system. His style of offense needs speed your not going to recruit that to freaking Nebraska. So mistake number 1 was picking Nebraska over Florida/TN. His system will only work in SEC/ACC/Big 12/Pac 12 where he can recruit the type of kid consistently that he needs. Mistake number 2 his loyalty to his entire staff. He literally took everybody… everyone from UCF to Nebraska. Blind Loyalty. He didn’t use the opportunity of going to a bigger stage to surround himself with a staff capable of succeeding on that stage. I understand take a few guys like Heupel did but you have to leave the other dudes you know can’t handle it behind and upgrade. Now that I think about it that is why Florida job didn’t work out is bc they told him no to his entire staff and looks like they were right.

100%. Good post.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Time for the brisket process.

First, we start with an untrimmed 17 lb brisket from a local butcher shop.

View attachment 390126

As you can see, there is a lot of fat and it’s generally not well-shaped. So I cut back the fat quite a bit, shaped it considerably, and partially separated the point from the flat. I would guess I cut off 2 lb of excess. After seasoning with salt, pepper, and some Meat Church Holy Gospel rub, it looks like this…

View attachment 390127

I threw it on at 4 pm last night to have it ready for lunch today. Nursed it overnight at 225° and wrapped it at midnight with pink butcher paper. Best combination of bark and moisture, IMO. So I wasn’t stressing during church and to give it ample rest, I pulled it off this morning at 7 am…

View attachment 390129

You can clearly see the point and flat, which was easy to separate since the remaining fat deckle was rendered so well. I take the flat, wrap it in aluminum foil, and throw it in a cooler with towels to hold in the heat. Next, I take the point and dice it up into 1” cubes, toss it with seasoning, toss it again with sauce, then smoke it for another hour to create burnt ends. Here is the finished product…

View attachment 390130

Pull the burnt ends off the smoker, seal it with aluminum foil, put it in the cooler with the flat, and then we’re off to church. Lunch will be served at 12:15 pm for all who want to come over.

that's a **** ton of work brocephus. nice job! looks great. I would like to get into smoking, etc... one day. The time and patience involved is daunting

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Time for the brisket process.

First, we start with an untrimmed 17 lb brisket from a local butcher shop.

View attachment 390126

As you can see, there is a lot of fat and it’s generally not well-shaped. So I cut back the fat quite a bit, shaped it considerably, and partially separated the point from the flat. I would guess I cut off 2 lb of excess. After seasoning with salt, pepper, and some Meat Church Holy Gospel rub, it looks like this…

View attachment 390127

I threw it on at 4 pm last night to have it ready for lunch today. Nursed it overnight at 225° and wrapped it at midnight with pink butcher paper. Best combination of bark and moisture, IMO. So I wasn’t stressing during church and to give it ample rest, I pulled it off this morning at 7 am…

View attachment 390129

You can clearly see the point and flat, which was easy to separate since the remaining fat deckle was rendered so well. I take the flat, wrap it in aluminum foil, and throw it in a cooler with towels to hold in the heat. Next, I take the point and dice it up into 1” cubes, toss it with seasoning, toss it again with sauce, then smoke it for another hour to create burnt ends. Here is the finished product…

View attachment 390130

Pull the burnt ends off the smoker, seal it with aluminum foil, put it in the cooler with the flat, and then we’re off to church. Lunch will be served at 12:15 pm for all who want to come over.

Volnation could have a BBQ of the century if 3-4 of you guys were running it!

 

[TrippieRedd]

But he was on top of the world when he went there. Surely he could have gotten enough of his type of players to at least beat the majority of the teams he played. I am not talking about beating OSU. But consider who he has lost to and by how much.

First year for a new coach is always the easiest to sell to recruits.

 

[tn88volfan]

Because i hate Bama LOL

 

[rekinhavoc]

Time for the brisket process.

First, we start with an untrimmed 17 lb brisket from a local butcher shop.

View attachment 390126

As you can see, there is a lot of fat and it’s generally not well-shaped. So I cut back the fat quite a bit, shaped it considerably, and partially separated the point from the flat. I would guess I cut off 2 lb of excess. After seasoning with salt, pepper, and some Meat Church Holy Gospel rub, it looks like this…

View attachment 390127

I threw it on at 4 pm last night to have it ready for lunch today. Nursed it overnight at 225° and wrapped it at midnight with pink butcher paper. Best combination of bark and moisture, IMO. So I wasn’t stressing during church and to give it ample rest, I pulled it off this morning at 7 am…

View attachment 390129

You can clearly see the point and flat, which was easy to separate since the remaining fat deckle was rendered so well. I take the flat, wrap it in aluminum foil, and throw it in a cooler with towels to hold in the heat. Next, I take the point and dice it up into 1” cubes, toss it with seasoning, toss it again with sauce, then smoke it for another hour to create burnt ends. Here is the finished product…

View attachment 390130

Pull the burnt ends off the smoker, seal it with aluminum foil, put it in the cooler with the flat, and then we’re off to church. Lunch will be served at 12:15 pm for all who want to come over.

Houston's?

 

[Brillovol]

that's a **** ton of work brocephus. nice job! looks great. I would like to get into smoking, etc... one day. The time and patience involved is daunting

Gracias! Well, this is all on a pellet smoker which makes it easier. Much simpler to control temp, which controls time.

 

[volbeast33]

But he was on top of the world when he went there. Surely he could have gotten enough of his type of players to at least beat the majority of the teams he played. I am not talking about beating OSU. But consider who he has lost to and by how much.

His problem,imo, is what happens to a lot of coaches when they move up….. they try getting the same kind of players that are on the big dog programs…. Instead of getting 5* elite type players…. They typically get left over trash and they crash and burn….. Nebraska should have been built with the overlooked studs and when they reached a certain point of success…the elite players would have wanted to join that program….They showed a graphics where all his positions had really good size…. An offense like that needs undersized guys with elite speed like Oregon use to have…. You can get that kind of talent bc they are typically overlooked by th big dogs.

Butch Jones was the worst one of all at this…. He didn’t care who the player was as long as it looked like he was recruiting at a certain level….. He had so many high level misses that it is what ended up killing his program.