Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[UTProf]

It's not about correcting his behavior, he had 22 years to learn the difference between right and wrong and how to use judgment in adult situations.

He learned these things, just like each of us have, yet he made a choice and knew his actions could sentence an innocent stranger to death. He willingly made the decision that ended someone's entire life.

It is not about correcting his behavior and decision making. It's about removing him from society to prevent future innocent people from being sentenced to death, due to his poor decision making.

He is no threat to anyone now. If he were a long time alcoholic with a history of dui then he could be assessed a threat to repeat the offense. This is the kind of mistake most people don't repeat. Removing him from society is punitive not corrective. Keeping him jailed doesn't protect us, it simply punishes.

 

[Adam2014]

Hard to know what to get out of this without knowing how many are QB sneaks on 3rd and short.

This is true. They love their QB sneaks on third and short.

 

[UTProf]

He will be sued for wrongful death as well. So he will pay out anyways. But that shouldn't be the end of it.

I didn't say it should be. He deserves punishment but punishment is just that punishment. It's not a help to anyone. Restitution is help.

 

[HankHill]

LOL!

I don't think he goes to Fl. But wasn't it checkerboards and ole @HankHill who said I was just making that up? "Mullen wouldn't want Bailey!"

Yep, just made it up guys.

Lol Ben McKee. We just sourcing anyone now?

 

[Enki_Amenra]

He is no threat to anyone now. If he were a long time alcoholic with a history of dui then he could be assessed a threat to repeat the offense. This is the kind of mistake most people don't repeat. Removing him from society is punitive not corrective. Keeping him jailed doesn't protect us, it simply punishes.

Until he makes another poor decision that costs someone else their health or life. . . He's only 22, this may have been his 1st time getting caught and it is just about the worst case scenario. He's most likely driven drunk many times and not been caught. He's proven that he's capable of those poor decisions, not the opposite.

You're probably right prof, this is just one of those things I'll disagree with.

 

[UTJoe]

I’d appreciate some prayers for my family. Yesterday I lost my dad to a massive heart attack. He lives in Scotland so my family and I can’t attend the funeral because of COVID.

He was flawed but he was the person that got me into Tennessee Football. Always wore his power T proudly while there. Gonna miss the old man.

Very sorry to hear about your loss. Definitely praying for you and yours.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Accidents yes.

This is drunken vehicular homicide.
Big difference. If your daughter was killed by a drunk driver, you would just shrug and say oh well, just an accident? Really?

Also dude was going almost triple the speed limit

 

[pierce60]

 

[Paper_Towel]

 

[Ace]

I do not believe there will be a bowl ban.

Called it - at least from UT’s point of view

 

[engineerVOL]

Bewm. Let’s ride.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Hey NCAA

 

[BigSteve09]

We are attempting to thread a helluva needle. Go us.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

After seeing the deal with OSU it makes me believe we are intentionally dragging our feet on the internal investigation. Make it look like we are still searching for things until the clock runs out on the NCAA.

White knows what he is doing.

Nailed it.

 

[tomq_123]

 

[BigSteve09]

So sick of the NCAA anyway. They've been pimping the programs and players for 70 years.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

 

[HalfullVol]

He is no threat to anyone now. If he were a long time alcoholic with a history of dui then he could be assessed a threat to repeat the offense. This is the kind of mistake most people don't repeat. Removing him from society is punitive not corrective. Keeping him jailed doesn't protect us, it simply punishes.

A jury of 12 of his peers will have some decisions to make. There is no winner here.

 

[engineerVOL]

Alright

The University will, however, self-impose other penalties based on the nature of the violations. While the specifics of those penalties aren’t clear, expect for them to be appropriate to the violations. Looking at previous case precedents involving recruiting---where the Tennessee violations occurred---those self-imposed penalties are expected to fall within the scope of recruiting itself. Those will likely include a reduction in scholarships over a period of time, a reduction in official visits and possibly recruiting travel restrictions and maybe others.

Lol NCAA

It’s important to note that the NCAA has not made a final ruling on Tennessee’s case. In fact, even though they have been involved in the investigation process, the University has neither received a notice of allegation nor is their case scheduled to be heard. It will likely not for some time given how slow the infractions committee works. The reality is that no one is sure what the Infractions Committee is even going to look like in the coming months. Tennessee made it clear from the onset that they were working hand-in-hand with the NCAA in the investigation and are continuing to do so.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

"Tennessee feels strongly that the players involved in the alleged violations have transferred elsewhere and many will be in post-season play themselves. For the current players and recruits, putting to bed speculation on a possible bowl ban is a step forward from the cloud surrounding the program for the last year. . ."

 

[tomq_123]

 

[Chuckie]

Meaning to kill someone and accidentally killing someone from dumb decisions is two totally different things. Both are terrible. End of convo

I think you’ve got to account for nuance, though. You can’t lump everything into the “accident” category.

It’s one thing if it’s dark or inclement weather, or a driver simply has an error in judgment or lapse in good driving skills, and makes a mistake that takes someone’s life.

It’s something entirely different if someone has impaired themselves with drugs, alcohol, or trying to use their damn phone while driving, and takes someone’s life.

I would argue that the differences above cover the spectrum of the various levels of manslaughter and vehicular homicide.

 

[Adam2014]

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Reported.

 

[BigSteve09]

Alright


Lol NCAA

If it comes down to mid-tier bowl for one year vs lost scholarships for multiple years...

I dunno

I'd rather have neither, but we need depth. We also need practice. We also need the positive PR/momentum that comes with a bowl, especially a win.

I just want to crush a freaking Big Ten team.

On the other side, we see what a lack of depth can do. Even when you have great talent at the 1's.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I freaking LOVE it