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Ten_Titans said:
He's a redshirt freshman lol. Competing against two veterans.

If this is the mentality now, I don't want to hear anyone getting mad about kids who won't "wait their turn". The expectation to play immediately is clearly there in the fans just as much as it is in the players.
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Them being veterans shouldn’t matter. The big time QBs separate themselves almost as soon as they step on campus. Just how it is. Not like he’s getting beat out by NFL QBs and waiting his turn
 
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There were only a couple things that bothered me with Milton's play and they seemed bigger at the time. I'd take his gameplay against BG and be happy, compared to what we've seen in the past few years.

From missing sight of open receivers, to stringing out runs when they should've been cut up field (run play for a 1st), his field awareness was a little bit off.

Motionless and heels on the ground. It didn't hurt too much against BG, but any decent pass rush would murder him doing that.

Zip. Knowing when to throw sooner, with a little more touch. This might be the hardest thing for him to correct, since it has to do with timing and he's played with a cannon-arm his whole life. Holding the ball that long will eventually piss off the o-line, who have to fight their blocks for twice as long every play.

Indecision & commitment. He seemed to take just a bit too long deciding on throws and when to run. When he did choose to run, it felt like he didn't hit it 100%.

These are things I think all of us saw and it made his play seem worse than it actually was. Also, these things are easily correctable and a couple of them may be things he doesn't usually do anyway.

I also have to think a lot of it can be blamed on rust, scheme inexperience, and learning the new coaches' and players' in-game tendencies.

These things are coachable and not major issues to correct. I think we'll see a huge overall difference from game 1 - 2, just by correcting a few small issues.

tl;dr - Just rehashing what's already been beaten to death, convincing myself everything is A-Ok.
 
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From 2010-2018, 63% of 247 Sports Composite 5-star QBs transferred at least once in their career. HB wasn't a composite 5*. But, the miss rate on highly ranked QBs is high. With two coaching staffs passing him over for QBs that haven't exactly excelled, I would say HB is much closer to that 63% than the 37% that don't transfer and presumably work out. Still early in his career, and he may be a serviceable player, but I think it is apparent HB isn't the savior of the program.
 
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VolByLaw said:
From 2010-2018, 63% of 247 Sports Composite 5-star QBs transferred at least once in their career. HB wasn't a composite 5*. But, the miss rate on highly ranked QBs is high. With two coaching staffs passing him over for QBs that haven't exactly excelled, I would say HB is much closer to that 63% than the 37% that don't transfer and presumably work out. Still early in his career, and he may be a serviceable player, but I think it is apparent HB isn't the savior of the program.
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I understand where you're coming from, I just don't think he's anywhere close to reaching his potential. He still needs to mature, physically.

I believe he's as good as our other QBs and probably has a higher ceiling. I think he's just behind them in physical form and overall experience. He's got plenty of time and, if he uses it correctly, he could be an outstanding QB.
 
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Vols4us said:
If your friend is saying that, are we back to the how we practice is more important than winning games thing? Because, Dobbs...4th team as a freshman...did not practice well...amazing, unorthodox playmaker in college...in the NFL now...
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Everything Dobbs was good at it early in his career were things that couldn't show up in regular practice - running and making something out of broken plays. Completely different than what HB would excel at. Now, Hooker I could see. His best quality is running, so that won't be seen much in practice. If HB's qualities revolve around passing, he has every opportunity to shine and show off those qualities in practice.
 
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Rishvol said:
One thing that hasn't been discussed, and I didn't like, was Hooker was joking around with walk ons the entire game and was put in over HB who was engaged the entire game
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I didn't notice that. I'm not really sure what they expect. I, personally wouldn't like it. Then again, I'm from the era where you ran everywhere you went, always paid attention to the gameplay, always screamed encouragement from the sidelines if you weren't in the game, stayed close to your coach, and never, ever took off your helmet.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
There were only a couple things that bothered me with Milton's play and they seemed bigger at the time. I'd take his gameplay against BG and be happy, compared to what we've seen in the past few years.

From missing sight of open receivers, to stringing out runs when they should've been cut up field (run play for a 1st), his field awareness was a little bit off.

Motionless and heels on the ground. It didn't hurt too much against BG, but any decent pass rush would murder him doing that.

Zip. Knowing when to throw sooner, with a little more touch. This might be the hardest thing for him to correct, since it has to do with timing and he's played with a cannon-arm his whole life. Holding the ball that long will eventually piss off the o-line, who have to fight their blocks for twice as long every play.

Indecision & commitment. He seemed to take just a bit too long deciding on throws and when to run. When he did choose to run, it felt like he didn't hit it 100%.

These are things I think all of us saw and it made his play seem worse than it actually was. Also, these things are easily correctable and a couple of them may be things he doesn't usually do anyway.

I also have to think a lot of it can be blamed on rust, scheme inexperience, and learning the new coaches' and players' in-game tendencies.

These things are coachable and not major issues to correct. I think we'll see a huge overall difference from game 1 - 2, just by correcting a few small issues.

tl;dr - Just rehashing what's already been beaten to death, convincing myself everything is A-Ok.
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Ultimately we have to give him a larger sample size before we judge him. The guy need reps, live in game reps. Hell the whole offense does.

I'm hoping he improves bc everything you mentioned are correctable.

Also, VN, I think the staff knows he needs reps so despite how he plays against Pitt (unless he is God awful and a TO machine) I don't see a QB change until the Florida game at the earliest.

GBF🍊
 
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Rishvol said:
One thing that hasn't been discussed, and I didn't like, was Hooker was joking around with walk ons the entire game and was put in over HB who was engaged the entire game
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Well he was QB2. Don't see coach deciding to suddenly swap their standings because one guy is having too much fun during a blowout.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I just think that’s the exception and not the rule. The only way a competent coach gets QB3 (who hasn’t practiced as well) out there is when QB1 isn’t doing the job.
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Using our past coaches as a standard for evaluating performance in practice is also a suspect method. To your point, I think it's rare for a good coach to be fooled by practice heroes. It did happen twice to us, but that an indictment on our bad coaches, not on how common it is for a player to kill it in practice and suck in games (or vv).
 
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Devo182 said:
Well he was QB2. Don't see coach deciding to suddenly swap their standings because one guy is having too much fun during a blowout.
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I'm not saying he should've switched their standing during the game but I do expect the QB2 to be engaged during the game considering they don't know when/if they'll go in
 
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jave36 said:
Using our past coaches as a standard for evaluating performance in practice is also a suspect method. To your point, I think it's rare for a good coach to be fooled by practice heroes. It did happen twice to us, but that an indictment on our bad coaches, not on how common it is for a player to kill it in practice and suck in games (or vv).
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Agreed. I didn’t agree with Pruitt continuing to play JG, and ultimately, that’s probably what got him fired. However, I do understand why it happened. I was told by someone whose grandson was a manager last year that the team of managers were trying to teach HB the playbook several weeks into the season. Pretty sure he missed much of fall camp, and then the staff didn’t prioritize his practice time (which was also a problem). Really was the staff not knowing what they had.

Players who practice better are almost always going to play.
 
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