Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[clt_tiger]

Hello ladies and gentlemen of VN,
I am coming to you from the past with an important message that can save your future!

On Monday 11/29 , I started feeling pretty bad, body aches, fever, cough, headache, shortness of breath, chills, and just felt rotten. Tested negative for Covid that night. Made an appointment with my PCP for the next day. Again tested negative for Covid. But tested positive for influenza A. (Yes, I got the vaccine)
Received a Rx for Xofluza (new single dose anti-flu medication) within 12 hours felt 75% better. Note that it significantly shortens the course of the infection, but you are still contagious to others for another 5-7 days.

The posts here in the past are too good to skip pages now…I will endeavor to get caught up by Saturday.

Feel better. See you on Monday.

 

[Jack Burton]

Basilio has been talking about how far behind UT is in the NIL game, this trend will continue till we get organized.

Yes, Basilio’s contact reached out to all SEC teams sans Vanderbilt. Of all those teams, Tennessee was the most convoluted, unhelpful process. The guy said that if businesses want to make deals with players the university is offering no help because it’s “not allowed” yet other schools are setting up a framework to facilitate deals. We aren’t doing that at this point and you’re seeing results on the trail for basketball (see 2022 class) and football.

If things are getting better you know there would be some marketing for it. Some info leaked to the press so they could chat it up but nothing. Doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed but it’s not fixed yet.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'm oblivious to the NIL restrictions. I thought the NIL meant that independent businesses could pay student athletes to be in their commercials and/or promote their products. However, everyone on here is saying Texas has upwards of $10 million to dish out to their athletes for NIL deals (I think that's the number I saw). How can a university be the one providing money? Or are you saying that Texas has guarantees from businesses that their athletes can contact/be endorsed by?

A group of Texas boosters and some business I can't remember the name of..Clark Field something or other, have put together a endowment with already 10 Mil pledged toward a stated $150 mil goal. The idea is to give every kid a NIL deal and pay them from the endowment.

I knew that was coming at some point as soon as NIL was allowed.

 

[jkleno]

NIL is killing us.

List all the Bama players who have NIL deals and the dollar amount for each deal. Killing us, please.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

the only time you will see him with the ball will be short kick offs or returnable punts against bama

Nah man. He’ll be in the main rotation for sure. He’s electric and a huge weapon

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'm oblivious to the NIL restrictions. I thought the NIL meant that independent businesses could pay student athletes to be in their commercials and/or promote their products. However, everyone on here is saying Texas has upwards of $10 million to dish out to their athletes for NIL deals (I think that's the number I saw). How can a university be the one providing money? Or are you saying that Texas has guarantees from businesses that their athletes can contact/be endorsed by?

Somebody posted the info yesterday. I'm not going to go through 40 pages again to find it. That is the reason you have to stay caught up in this thread.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

List all the Bama players who have NIL deals and the dollar amount for each deal. Killing us, please.

Please my ass...you go look it up

 

[jkleno]

Please my ass...you go look it up

You said the NILs are killing us with no factual information to back up your post.

 

[jkleno]

The NILS aren't killing us, we are finally turning the corner from a staff and admin that failed miserably.

 

[Dudley Smith]

Basilio has been talking about how far behind UT is in the NIL game, this trend will continue till we get organized.

It’s not hard to fathom how scattered Tennessee is when it comes to getting businesses and boosters to set up NIL Funding. Look how many different directions this program has been pushed and pulled by those same people.

Smh
Bijan Robinson at Texas is already a millionaire off his NIL deals. LOL
he’s been made a spokesman for DAZN boxing.

Basilio made an insightful observation about the inherent tension between the athletic department & director’s interests and those that will produce a robust NIL program.

AD’s get judged by their presidents on how much money their athletic program generates for the university and how many buildings they get built through fundraising from donors. When they go to apply for their next job they can tell the president of the new school, “look at the indoor practice facility and stadium renovations I was able to get done at my last school.”

AD’s see the donor money as a finite pool, and believe every dollar that goes to paying players through NIL comes out of the donations they are hoping to raise from those boosters for construction projects. So that’s why you see pushback within AD’s everywhere about NIL efforts, often under the excuse of “compliance issues.”

Basilio, a guy who has been hustling to get local advertisers in the Knoxville market for the last 25 years, was trying to help out some of the players on the team get hooked up for NIL opportunities, and said the university totally froze him out. I am sure that UT is not the only school where this happens because it truly is a paradigm shift in college athletics, and wherever that happens existing fiefdoms in bureaucracies get threatened. However the programs that work through this are going to start seeing results in their recruiting followed by on the field.

 

[nashvol1]

NIL will eventually crush us if we don’t have a plan and execute at a top 10 level. It’s the future. Josh has proven a good product, time for program backers to back him up. B Ball recruiting is suddenly down…why?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

List all the Bama players who have NIL deals and the dollar amount for each deal. Killing us, please.

Also...since you can't seem to read between the lines, maybe @butchna will lay it out for you in a few days.

 

[peaygolf]

The NILS aren't killing us, we are finally turning the corner from a staff and admin that failed miserably.

Killing UT.....no
Helping UT........100% Not yet

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You said the NILs are killing us with no factual information to back up your post.

You're blind

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Basilio made an insightful observation about the inherent tension between the athletic department & director’s interests and those that will produce a robust NIL program.

AD’s get judged by their presidents on how much money their athletic program generates for the university and how many buildings they get built through fundraising from donors. When they go to apply for their next job they can tell the president of the new school, “look at the indoor practice facility and stadium renovations I was able to get done at my last school.”

AD’s see the donor money as a finite pool, and believe every dollar that goes to paying players through NIL comes out of the donations they are hoping to raise from those boosters for construction projects. So that’s why you see pushback within AD’s everywhere about NIL efforts, often under the excuse of “compliance issues.”

Basilio, a guy who has been hustling to get local advertisers in the Knoxville market for the last 25 years, was trying to help out some of the players on the team get hooked up for NIL opportunities, and said the university totally froze him out. I am sure that UT is not the only school where this happens because it truly is a paradigm shift in college athletics, and wherever that happens existing fiefdoms in bureaucracies get threatened. However the programs that work through this are going to start seeing results in their recruiting followed by on the field.

Exactly

 

[butchna]

Also...since you can't seem to read between the lines, maybe @butchna will lay it out for you in a few days.

Really hoping Swain’s right.

 

[volbeast33]

Yes, Basilio’s contact reached out to all SEC teams sans Vanderbilt. Of all those teams, Tennessee was the most convoluted, unhelpful process. The guy said that if businesses want to make deals with players the university is offering no help because it’s “not allowed” yet other schools are setting up a framework to facilitate deals. We aren’t doing that at this point and you’re seeing results on the trail for basketball (see 2022 class) and football.

If things are getting better you know there would be some marketing for it. Some info leaked to the press so they could chat it up but nothing. Doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed but it’s not fixed yet.

Are we sure it was an NIL thing with us missing on a couple of basketball recruits…. Teams were already paying players as shown by the FBI probe….. Receiving money is just legal now.

 

[butchna]

Are we sure it was an NIL thing with us missing on a couple of basketball recruits…. Teams were already paying players as shown by the FBI probe….. Receiving money is just legal now.

It makes sense now.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Really hoping Swain’s right.

We will know when we start landing elite players from HS and the portal.

 

[Rishvol]

Back in the olden days, we were only allowed to give out 10 likes a day wasn't it?

How did @VOLSONLY survive?

 

[volbeast33]

Donors don't have to be disclosed just to do a better job promoting that TN will be a serious player in the NIL game.
But donors is where I'd look for any handling mistakes and whom I was referring!

Not every subject comes down to Heup or DW. Not personal towards you, enjoy your posts but in general.
Save the last week, it's been dead in here for such a great season.
1. Lack of recruiting news.
2. Every topic mentioned to get discussion going, somehow gets cut short as either calling trust into question, or "being scared".

I just feel that it is a discussion about a topic that no one has any any factual information about….my person said he had heard about 3 players on our team making bank…. One was Hooker…the other one was Baron…. Can’t remember the third one….. there may be more but that was the ones he had heard about…. It could be the reason that Hooker seems to be leaning toward staying…..I don’t think the NIL will have much effect on sports once it calms down… all the teams will be paying players and it will come down to the main things it always has…. Stability, winning, and who can get me to the pros.

 

[volbeast33]

We will know when we start landing elite players from HS and the portal.

Why will it be any different…. If everyone pays…. Won’t the players look at the other factors that they always have before.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I just feel that it is a discussion about a topic that no one has any any factual information about….my person said he had heard about 3 players on our team making bank…. One was Hooker…the other one was Baron…. Can’t remember the third one….. there may be more but that was the ones he had heard about…. It could be the reason that Hooker seems to be leaning toward staying…..I don’t think the NIL will have much effect on sports once it calms down… all the teams will be paying players and it will come down to the main things it always has…. Stability, winning, and who can get me to the pros.

It will come down to which group of boosters buy the best and most players...money ruins everything.

 

[volbeast33]

It will come down to which group of boosters buy the best and most players...money ruins everything.

the recruiting rankings are very similar to last year…. I don’t think it is making much of a difference right now.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Why will it be any different…. If everyone pays…. Won’t the players look at the other factors that they always have before.

Are you that blind to ask this.."if everybody pays"?..Yeah sure everybody will pay something, but some teams rich fanatics will pay a lot more than others.