Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[peaygolf]

Elite quarterback Devin Brown commits to Ohio State

Is Ewers finally going to make it official?
Not that UT is going to be in on him. Just asking.

 

[Jack Burton]

Are we sure it was an NIL thing with us missing on a couple of basketball recruits…. Teams were already paying players as shown by the FBI probe….. Receiving money is just legal now.

We were in the thick of it for 3 highly rated bball recruits. It was setting up to be another monster class, then NIL went official, and these guys poofed on us. Can’t blame them really because we were caught standing when the gun went off.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

the recruiting rankings are very similar to last year…. I don’t think it is making much of a difference right now.

Believe what you want.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

It will come down to which group of boosters buy the best and most players...money ruins everything.

I mean… money has always been involved. I don’t really think it’s ruining anything.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

The latest on confirmed new head coaches

VT - Brent Pry
LSU - Brian Kelly
LA Tech - Sonny Cumbie
USC - Lincoln Riley
TCU - Sonny Dykes
Washington - Kalen DeBoer
SMU - Rhett Lashlee
Florida - Billy Napier
New Mexico St - Jerry Kill
WSU - Jake Dickert
Georgia Southern - Clay Helton
UConn - Jim Mora
UMass - Don Brown
TTU - Joey McGuire
Troy -
Akron -
FIU -
Temple -
OU -
Louisiana -
ND - Marcus Freeman (favorite, not yet confirmed)

So if Luke Fickell is a legit candidate for the OU job then they'll have to wait until after the CFP before he can be hired...and if that is the case it could leave them with Matt Rhule as a backup option as well.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I mean… money has always been involved. I don’t really think it’s ruining anything.

Pigs get fat...hogs get slaughtered.

 

[itsme]

Somebody posted the info yesterday. I'm not going to go through 40 pages again to find it. That is the reason you have to stay caught up in this thread.

Keep up??? Some of us have actual jobs that require work for payment.

 

[KPT_VFL]

I still think someone should start a fund or business entity that boosters, businesses, causal fans can donate to and help facilitate NIL deals. It would add up quick. Give what ever amount you want m. $5-$500-$5000 whatever you wanted or could give. We’d have all our players rich.

 

[volbeast33]

We were in the thick of it for 3 highly rated bball recruits. It was setting up to be another monster class, then NIL went official, and these guys poofed on us. Can’t blame them really because we were caught standing when the gun went off.

We will know if that’s the reason soon enough…. Rick Barnes won’t stay if his program isn’t being supported the way he wants it to be.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Pigs get fat...hogs get slaughtered.

I’m just saying the woe is me thing is kind of ridiculous also it’s already been stated that there are big things in the works for NIL next year. Don’t know why people are freaking out. Lol.

I mean we currently have a top 25 class and are expecting some big surprises soon and this is all on the heels of a coach firing, new system, and investigation conclusion…. So….

Yeah we will be fine. On top of that they are building the new practice facility this year and renovating Neyland Stadium

 

[Dudley Smith]

I'm oblivious to the NIL restrictions. I thought the NIL meant that independent businesses could pay student athletes to be in their commercials and/or promote their products. However, everyone on here is saying Texas has upwards of $10 million to dish out to their athletes for NIL deals (I think that's the number I saw). How can a university be the one providing money? Or are you saying that Texas has guarantees from businesses that their athletes can contact/be endorsed by?

Here is an article on it. It’s all being done through private fundraising.
Texas supporters launch NIL program that other schools likely will copy

 

[KPT_VFL]

Here is an article on it. It’s all being done through private fundraising.
Texas supporters launch NIL program that other schools likely will copy

This is what we need to do… why are we not?

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I’m at the socks with slides portion of the thread

 

[BaldBiker]

A big factor in the NIL's that is going to affect CFB (and possibly ruin it) is when say Alabama gets a million dollar NIL deal for a HS athlete to get him to play. Now this HS kid has not played a down of CFB, has not even practiced with the team.

The company paying this kid this money is expecting this kid to be a star immediately and is expecting Saban to put this kid on the field as much as possible. Turns out he needs 2-3 years of development, or is a bust. Saban doesn't play him.

What happens? Now you have these companies butting heads with Saban (or any other coach), because they want a return on their investment. Coach is trying to win games, not appease NIL investors.

Even the best of the best coaches are going to get tired of playing that game real quick, unless the guidelines are set up before the kid signs the dotted line.

...and even then, it won't end.

JMO of course.

 

[volbeast33]

I mean… money has always been involved. I don’t really think it’s ruining anything.

That’s my feelings…. The FBI investigation showed what we all believed…. Money was being thrown around like crazy…. Mark Fox stated that it exposed just a very small amount of what goes on in recruiting.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Brian Kelly not getting even 1 of his assistants to follow him is something… I was never a huge fan of his. I think he will win game at LSU but I get the feeling he’s not a culture fit at all. Will rub some the wrong way. 9-3 at LSU is enough to start feeling the heat from fans and boosters.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

A big factor in the NIL's that is going to affect CFB (and possibly ruin it) is when say Alabama gets a million dollar NIL deal for a HS athlete to get him to play. Now this HS kid has not played a down of CFB, has not even practiced with the team.

The company paying this kid this money is expecting this kid to be a star immediately and is expecting Saban to put this kid on the field as much as possible. Turns out he needs 2-3 years of development, or is a bust. Saban doesn't play him.

What happens? Now you have these companies butting heads with Saban (or any other coach), because they want a return on their investment. Coach is trying to win games, not appease NIL investors.

Even the best of the best coaches are going to get tired of playing that game real quick, unless the guidelines are set up before the kid signs the dotted line.

...and even then, it won't end.

JMO of course.

Uhh this already happened with Ewers at Ohio State, and he is probably going to transfer.

 

[BaldBiker]

Uhh this already happened with Ewers at Ohio State, and he is probably going to transfer.

To another school that he is going to expect to get him another NIL deal, whether he is really good enough to have one or not.

 

[orange parmejohn]

Killing UT.....no
Helping UT........100% Not yet

If something is helping others, then it is hurting you.

 

[chargervol]

Yes, Basilio’s contact reached out to all SEC teams sans Vanderbilt. Of all those teams, Tennessee was the most convoluted, unhelpful process. The guy said that if businesses want to make deals with players the university is offering no help because it’s “not allowed” yet other schools are setting up a framework to facilitate deals. We aren’t doing that at this point and you’re seeing results on the trail for basketball (see 2022 class) and football.

If things are getting better you know there would be some marketing for it. Some info leaked to the press so they could chat it up but nothing. Doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed but it’s not fixed yet.

1st guess - because nothing gets done at TN without dealing with meddlesome, and often dysfunctional, power brokers in all of CFB.

White might end up being the best AD TN has had but no way in hello those guys are just gonna say "here, you take full control whilst we sit quietly on the sidelines as mere observers".
I do trust DW.. to fight constantly, while attempting to herd an entire group of feral cats.

 

[butchna]

Uhh this already happened with Ewers at Ohio State, and he is probably going to transfer.

The major portion of his deals were set up ready to run outside of tOSU. He just had to leave high school to cash in. If he had stayed, I think he would have flipped to Texas or even UGA.

 

[peaygolf]

If something is helping others, then it is hurting you.

 

[jkleno]

A group of Texas boosters and some business I can't remember the name of..Clark Field something or other, have put together a endowment with already 10 Mil pledged toward a stated $150 mil goal. The idea is to give every kid a NIL deal and pay them from the endowment.

I knew that was coming at some point as soon as NIL was allowed.

This approach will be copied by most of the 'big names' and we will follow suit. These NILs are basically ad dollars being spent by companies. ROI will determine how successful the NILs will become and I can imagine all kind go legal jargon put into the contracts. I imagine someone like the Miami QB King loses most of his $$$ due to not being able to play. College players will probably start tweeting/media when things aren't going their way. There are many unknowns, but I agree we need a plan and I am sure DW has something in motion.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I am all for NIL deals, got no issue with it.

But as a fan I'm not putting any funds into a fund or NIL without it making me money. I think most business owners feel the same way. I'm sure there are some boosters that can/do treat it as a donation but most people don't just spend money like that.

Now...if I had the space. I'd setup a podcast. Offer each player a flat rate appearance fee, regardless of name/sport/gender and I'd use that to generate a 45 minute to hour long show....put out a couple or three a week and hopefully get it big enough to make money. Maybe former VFLs or even local business would be willing to sponsor the podcast so that the funds to give athletes would be there.

That was my thought initially.

 

[peaygolf]

New Mexico St - Jerry Kill

Maybe the "best" hire of all of them...............JMO.

The latest on confirmed new head coaches

VT - Brent Pry
LSU - Brian Kelly
LA Tech - Sonny Cumbie
USC - Lincoln Riley
TCU - Sonny Dykes
Washington - Kalen DeBoer
SMU - Rhett Lashlee
Florida - Billy Napier
New Mexico St - Jerry Kill
WSU - Jake Dickert
Georgia Southern - Clay Helton
UConn - Jim Mora
UMass - Don Brown
TTU - Joey McGuire
Troy -
Akron -
FIU -
Temple -
OU -
Louisiana -
ND - Marcus Freeman (favorite, not yet confirmed)

So if Luke Fickell is a legit candidate for the OU job then they'll have to wait until after the CFP before he can be hired...and if that is the case it could leave them with Matt Rhule as a backup option as well.