Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[engineerVOL]

Is not normal.

Fact check: True.

 

[COOKEVOL]

I have a feeling this NIL stuff is gonna leak over into the betting world, in a bad way.

How much did you put down on it?

 

[Orange Studs]

Guys I am not making a connection on THANOS. I know how dangerous it is asking this LOL

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

@engineerVOL is one of those guys that refuses to check his notifications..ughh.

 

[vol9799]

My neighbor's dog just tested positive for syphilis.

Dang, Andy gets around AND posts all those stupid videos...

 

[dcorey]

I don't watch Knoxville television. Do local businesses ordinarily use celebrity spokespersons for their advertising up there? In Nashville, all that oxygen is eaten up by Titans, Predators, and country music stars. Even then, I don't see much of it here. Usually, the local businesses here use an owner or family member for their advertising.

I simply point to someone like AT who stayed for another year, got a deal with the cookie company and drove traffic to the business because of the deal. Was good publicity for the business and was a talking point for every commentator covering the game. Thus, a win-win for both sides. Those seem like the deals that local companies would get behind and support

 

[Weezer]

Peyton Manning needs to start us up a NIL fund. He markets himself well, just think what he could do for our athletes.

 

[Orange Studs]

NEVER MIND I GOT IT SO SAVE YOUR COMMITS!! LOL

 

[Jackcrevol]

Peyton Manning needs to start us up a NIL fund. He markets himself well, just think what he could do for our athletes.

not a bad idea

 

[Weezer]

M'ba's nickname is Thanos?

Hope he picks us.

 

[Orange Studs]

M'ba's nickname is Thanos?

Hope he picks us.

That was the second time I saw that. What is sad is that my first was this morning when I committed on his mom coming to the US for the first time. Just didn't pay attention to the top where it had THANOS on it. LOL I claim COVID effects. lol

 

[Weezer]

Just got some random text about them noticing an issue with my Facebook account. Considering I don't have a Facebook account, that's some issue.

 

[Weezer]

That was the second time I saw that. What is sad is that my first was this morning when I committed on his mom coming to the US for the first time. Just didn't pay attention to the top where it had THANOS on it. LOL I claim COVID effects. lol

You committed on his mom??! You sick pervert!

This is a family site, sir!

 

[BigSteve09]

Peyton Manning needs to start us up a NIL fund. He markets himself well, just think what he could do for our athletes.

I think this is a good idea, but also illustrates some of the challenges of NIL in a program like Tennessee that is known for having too many cooks in the kitchen.

We already have warring boosters. Let's just say we get multiple key contributors, like a Peyton. He sets up some sort of QB Club and the QBs at Tennessee get x amount of dollars per year, sponsored by Peyton and his organization. That's awesome just typing that, I really hope it happens.

So does Peyton get to choose what QBs we recruit? Does he host some camp and the top 10 QBs show up, Peyton helps eval with our coaches and he gets a say in who gets his money? Does he just raise the NIL money and give it to the program, and the coaches make the call? Peyton just has to be happy to have contributed?

I realize we have Heupel, so I have faith that he and/or Peyton could figure that out. But if you apply this scenario to any other position groups, it could be problematic. "I raised all this money for us to get the best. I wanted a certain player, he was ready to come, the coaches wouldn't offer him or commit to getting him here. Now we lost to Florida again and if that idiot coach would have listened to me, we'd have the kid(s) here that would have won the game."

Hopefully Peyton would be the voice of reason in that situation and rally the boosters to pay up and let the coaches do their job. But someone has to keep them in check, otherwise there is a lot of potential for "They spent my money on what?!"

We'll probably see other programs go through this because of NIL.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

That's pretty much its purpose. They are making official and regulating what is already known across the board.

Cash-For-Players
Cars-For-Players
Suits(lol)-For-Players
Jobs for family member(s) in/around the program or college town.

These have all been utilized going back to at least the 70's. Now instead of it being under the table and unregulated, everyone can talk about it.

Will it be perfect? No. Will there still be under the table stuff going on? Yeah, probably.

But it fixes more (longstanding) problems than it creates, and it pushes the sport(s) forward more than it sets them back.

For a program like Tennessee, it should/could be monumental and a great equalizer. Like everyone else has said, we better get our ducks in a row and quit looking around to see what everyone else is doing.

Money builds the best facilities.
Money buys the best coaches.
Money buys the best recruits (now officially as well).
The best coaches, players, and resources win big.
Winning big brings more money.

I know that our fans already spend money in droves. We fill the stadium, we buy anything orange, we support the players and coaches. I remember in the 90's/00's we were REALLY spending money. The ingredients are there to be successful and build a system that can prop the program back up, strengthen the program, and solidify success. We can't be the only ones that see this. God I hope we aren't.

Our fans are old. We lost an entire generation of Tenneseans who now spend their money on Bama, Clemson and other contenders Old fans are invested in the old way of doing things, and that includes both the way they advertise their own businesses and the way that they are influenced to try new businesses. If you're much under 40 years of age, you probably don't have too strong a recollection of the glory years. How many people over 40 are looking at TikTok to see where a college football player tells them they should pick up a pizza on the way home from work? I can tell you now, it's not many. Also, we are not getting the sort of 5* talent that is going to attract significant endorsement deals from national brands like you see with the QB at Bama. We are an NIL desert right now.

 

[Weezer]

Are likes the NIL of VN?

I'm almost to 98k.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

How much did you put down on it?

Not enough

 

[Volsdeep4]

So what do you guys want to start for a crowd sources NIL?
I’ll have to look into the details, but a business has to give the money. So we’d have to have an EIN and taxes on all of it. Unless, it would be considered a charitable donation. I think only Corps can claim that though.
Seems like easiest way is some sort of shirt company? Idk just coming up with ideas.

 

[Weezer]

I think this is a good idea, but also illustrates some of the challenges of NIL in a program like Tennessee that is known for having too many cooks in the kitchen.

We already have warring boosters. Let's just say we get multiple key contributors, like a Peyton. He sets up some sort of QB Club and the QBs at Tennessee get x amount of dollars per year, sponsored by Peyton and his organization. That's awesome just typing that, I really hope it happens.

So does Peyton get to choose what QBs we recruit? Does he host some camp and the top 10 QBs show up, Peyton helps eval with our coaches and he gets a say in who gets his money? Does he just raise the NIL money and give it to the program, and the coaches make the call? Peyton just has to be happy to have contributed?

I realize we have Heupel, so I have faith that he and/or Peyton could figure that out. But if you apply this scenario to any other position groups, it could be problematic. "I raised all this money for us to get the best. I wanted a certain player, he was ready to come, the coaches wouldn't offer him or commit to getting him here. Now we lost to Florida again and if that idiot coach would have listened to me, we'd have the kid(s) here that would have won the game."

I wouldn't apply it to one position group. I would equate it to doing the same thing Texas is reportedly doing, with Peyton as the face of it. Who better to rally Vol contributors than Peyton? But maybe also get other former players involved, like Kamara? And like I said, Peyton has done an incredible job marketing himself, maybe that could help our players.

But it would all hinge on his willingness to do it.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

@engineerVOL is one of those guys that refuses to check his notifications..ughh.

Like this?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Imo, the NIL is just going to be used as a way to funnel money to recruits. Bama, OSU, UGA will have their boosters create deals through companies and that way they can't really get caught cheating

It won’t be cheating anymore will it?

 

[SweetasSoda]

The fact they kept basically the entire staff with naming Freeman HC tells me they didn't.

Wondering if they had not already been wishing Freeman was the coach instead of BK.

 

[volsfan_17]

I think this is a good idea, but also illustrates some of the challenges of NIL in a program like Tennessee that is known for having too many cooks in the kitchen.

We already have warring boosters. Let's just say we get multiple key contributors, like a Peyton. He sets up some sort of QB Club and the QBs at Tennessee get x amount of dollars per year, sponsored by Peyton and his organization. That's awesome just typing that, I really hope it happens.

So does Peyton get to choose what QBs we recruit? Does he host some camp and the top 10 QBs show up, Peyton helps eval with our coaches and he gets a say in who gets his money? Does he just raise the NIL money and give it to the program, and the coaches make the call? Peyton just has to be happy to have contributed?

I realize we have Heupel, so I have faith that he and/or Peyton could figure that out. But if you apply this scenario to any other position groups, it could be problematic. "I raised all this money for us to get the best. I wanted a certain player, he was ready to come, the coaches wouldn't offer him or commit to getting him here. Now we lost to Florida again and if that idiot coach would have listened to me, we'd have the kid(s) here that would have won the game."

Hopefully Peyton would be the voice of reason in that situation and rally the boosters to pay up and let the coaches do their job. But someone has to keep them in check, otherwise there is a lot of potential for "They spent my money on what?!"

We'll probably see other programs go through this because of NIL.

This is why the Texas model that we saw linked here yesterday is the way to go IMO. It eliminates the favoritism by creating an endowment where everyone receives the same base payment. Then individual NIL deals would go on top of that. If we were looking to imitate something as a collective of fan/boosters it should be something of that variety. Every recruit gets whatever amount per month/year just for being on the team.

I assume that an endowment such as this would need to be administered by a law or financial firm to ensure that the funds weren't misappropriated? Otherwise some jack wagon is going to be embezzling the funds designated for the players.

 

[BigSteve09]

Our fans are old. We lost an entire generation of Tenneseans who now spend their money on Bama, Clemson and other contenders Old fans are invested in the old way of doing things, and that includes both the way they advertise their own businesses and the way that they are influenced to try new businesses. If you're much under 40 years of age, you probably don't have too strong a recollection of the glory years. How many people over 40 are looking at TikTok to see where a college football player tells them they should pick up a pizza on the way home from work? I can tell you now, it's not many. Also, we are not getting the sort of 5* talent that is going to attract significant endorsement deals from national brands like you see with the QB at Bama. We are an NIL desert right now.

I respectfully disagree across all of your points. While I agree that our diehards are older now, and sexier programs have emerged to capture the attention of Millennials and Gen Z, the path to success and big money is still there. VolTwitter is a thing for a reason, and those people aren't 40 and 50 year olds.

We have 30,000 students, 24,000 of them are undergrad, and the amount is growing every year.
The population of the state continues to grow. Nashville particularly, but the East TN region is booming. People support winners and they love the buzz of a winning program. They'll buy up tickets, go to watch parties, and support the program again if it's successful.

This fanbase is starving for a winner, and eager to support the program again. The state and region is prime for a new generation of sidewalk fans. The youngsters want to jump on board as well. If you build it they will come.

 

[Blake25p]

I’d imagine we’ll be in play here