Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Ulysees E. McGill]

"The origin of the phrase 'sick as a dog' can be found in the early 1700's, when it was common to compare undesirable things to dogs. The explanation for this isn't that people didn't like dogs, it is that diseases such as the plague were often spread via animals like rats, birds, and unfortunately, dogs".

Lol..I've read that before.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Where's the Big Fish?

I know of a secret local pond with smallmouth @ 7-8lbs, if you're in Knox. . .

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I don't know how all the potential corruption that has been unleashed is just now becoming apparent to people.

I think I was in denial about it to an extent. I really thought there would be many more checks and balances and a lot more oversight on NIL.

 

[jave36]

A big factor in the NIL's that is going to affect CFB (and possibly ruin it) is when say Alabama gets a million dollar NIL deal for a HS athlete to get him to play. Now this HS kid has not played a down of CFB, has not even practiced with the team.

The company paying this kid this money is expecting this kid to be a star immediately and is expecting Saban to put this kid on the field as much as possible. Turns out he needs 2-3 years of development, or is a bust. Saban doesn't play him.

What happens? Now you have these companies butting heads with Saban (or any other coach), because they want a return on their investment. Coach is trying to win games, not appease NIL investors.

Even the best of the best coaches are going to get tired of playing that game real quick, unless the guidelines are set up before the kid signs the dotted line.

...and even then, it won't end.

JMO of course.

How would a company even have the ability to butt heads with Saban? Send him nasty emails?

 

[TheMagnificantOne]

Need to cap NIL deal nationwide! No 17 yo needs to have 1M plus to rep a brand.
Cap it at 25k a year or something. Alrwady getting free education, place to live, unlimited food and all the other perks.
25-50k a year should make anyone happy til they get to the next level, in which those deserving of a NIL anyway, will likely get to.

Go back to

 

[SweetasSoda]

"The origin of the phrase 'sick as a dog' can be found in the early 1700's, when it was common to compare undesirable things to dogs. The explanation for this isn't that people didn't like dogs, it is that diseases such as the plague were often spread via animals like rats, birds, and unfortunately, dogs".

Plague was spread through dogs? Didn’t know that.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Lol..I've read that before.

Plague was spread through dogs? Didn’t know that.

Sometimes I read something and just wonder why we say it, . Had to look it up. . .

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I think I was in denial about it to an extent. I really thought there would be many more checks and balances and a lot more oversight on NIL.

There is none...it is the wild wild west. I don't even know how legally they could do anything that wouldn't have a millions loopholes to exploit.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I just came here to say something. With Napier at Florida… I fully expect us to have that feather under heupels cap next year. I know they are our kryptonite, but I’m look at them as a big win for us next year. My only disclaimer is this will depend on our recruiting/transfer portal grabs. But if we shore up some defense issues and keep or gain playmakers. Florida is going to get smacked next year.

Yeah, I'm still just not sure about Napier....he did good at Louisiana, but it's not a hard place to have success.

He basically took a team that had success previously and went from a 105+ recruiting class to getting them into that 80s range on the regular. But Florida being what they are has always had high ranked recruiting classes, so he really can't improve the roster from where it's been. So is he a good enough Xs & Os guy or can he develop the talent he'll have there?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Sometimes I read something and just wonder why we say it, . Had to look it up. . .

Look up "If the lord is willing and the Creek don't rise"

 

[SoilVol]

Plague was spread through dogs? Didn’t know that.

It was spread by fleas, so yeah. All the animals in urban centers were carrying those things around back then. Rats and dogs especially.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Big fish: Year 20, Day +1

 

[NMVol]

"The origin of the phrase 'sick as a dog' can be found in the early 1700's, when it was common to compare undesirable things to dogs. The explanation for this isn't that people didn't like dogs, it is that diseases such as the plague were often spread via animals like rats, birds, and unfortunately, dogs".

I used "dog" in this sense just yesterday to refer to something that was problematic.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Look up "If the lord is willing and the Creek don't rise"

That is awesome!

"It mentions Benjamin Hawkins of the late 18th century, who was asked by the US president to go back to Washington. In his reply, he was said to have written, “God willing and the Creek don't rise”. Because he capitalized Creek it's asserted that he was referring to the Creek Indian tribe and not a body of water."

 

[BigSteve09]

I have a feeling this NIL stuff is gonna leak over into the betting world, in a bad way.

There has been corruption in the betting world for decades. NIL may make it worse. Higher popularity and visibility into wagering may just lead to more regulation. That's the hope anyway.

The weakest link is officiating. They need to turn that into a real job and part of the sport. Pay them more, regulate it better, take away these subjective rules. They have incredible power, they control the game play-by-play, they can directly influence the outcome. In any game.

 

[SweetasSoda]

It was spread by fleas, so yeah. All the animals in urban centers were carrying those things around back then. Rats and dogs especially.

Ahhh!

 

[Jackcrevol]

I used "dog" in this sense just yesterday to refer to something that was problematic.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

That is awesome!

Lol...it doesn't mean what it sounds like it means.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I wonder if ND even reached out to Fickell, or if they did, how far those conversations went. Fickell must really be putting his eggs in the Ohio St basket if Day is really going to leave for the NFL or get fired in the next couple of years. Wild times.

The fact they kept basically the entire staff with naming Freeman HC tells me they didn't.

 

[BigSteve09]

 

[05_never_again]

Basilio made an insightful observation about the inherent tension between the athletic department & director’s interests and those that will produce a robust NIL program.

AD’s get judged by their presidents on how much money their athletic program generates for the university and how many buildings they get built through fundraising from donors. When they go to apply for their next job they can tell the president of the new school, “look at the indoor practice facility and stadium renovations I was able to get done at my last school.”

AD’s see the donor money as a finite pool, and believe every dollar that goes to paying players through NIL comes out of the donations they are hoping to raise from those boosters for construction projects. So that’s why you see pushback within AD’s everywhere about NIL efforts, often under the excuse of “compliance issues.”

Basilio, a guy who has been hustling to get local advertisers in the Knoxville market for the last 25 years, was trying to help out some of the players on the team get hooked up for NIL opportunities, and said the university totally froze him out. I am sure that UT is not the only school where this happens because it truly is a paradigm shift in college athletics, and wherever that happens existing fiefdoms in bureaucracies get threatened. However the programs that work through this are going to start seeing results in their recruiting followed by on the field.

That makes sense why ADs think that way, but it is also such small-minded thinking. The objective of the administration should be to grow the entire pie, not believe it to be a finite pie and change how it gets divvied up.

NIL opportunities = you bring in better recruits = you win more games = ultimately more money for the university as a whole.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Imo, the NIL is just going to be used as a way to funnel money to recruits. Bama, OSU, UGA will have their boosters create deals through companies and that way they can't really get caught cheating

 

[BigSteve09]

The fact they kept basically the entire staff with naming Freeman HC tells me they didn't.

I'll give it to them, that's thinking on their feet. They kept the bottom from falling out, for now at least.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I used "dog" in this sense just yesterday to refer to something that was problematic.

Still do it more than I realized, underdog, doggone it, raining cats and dogs, in the doghouse, that dog don't bark. . .

 

[mr.checkerboards]

That makes sense why ADs think that way, but it is also such small-minded thinking. The objective of the administration should be to grow the entire pie, not believe it to be a finite pie and change how it gets divvied up.

NIL opportunities = you bring in better recruits = you win more games = ultimately more money for the university as a whole.

The second half of your post is lost on many business men. Sometimes you gotta spend money to make money