Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[itsme]

Saw some people talking about this while internetting. . . it's crazy that there are natural ways to fight most chemical dependencies and they are so hard to find. Apparently this plant can eliminate the withdrawal symptoms of alcohol and opioid dependents. Crazy, it could help a ton of people, but not many know about it. . .

Kratom for Alcohol Withdrawal: How to Use It | Fit Recovery

P01-50-Kratom and alcohol dependence: Clinical symptoms, withdrawal treatment and pharmacological mechanisms- A case report - ScienceDirect

Go to Kentucky and you can get it. The reason you don't hear about it is because the drug companies can't maximize profits off of it. I asked my state rep who I've personally known for 25-30 years about weed being legal for medicinal purposes and his response was:
"We don't have enough evidence that it works"
Me: "How much do the big pharma companies pay you to keep that lie going?"

He didn't like what I said and stomped off.

Apparently I can be an ass.

 

[bluegrasser]

Swain’s comments this morning about NIL were interesting. He said that free cookies and chicken are good enough for current roster guys, but that it isn’t enough to secure new recruits or transfers. He’s not worried yet.

Swain also mentioned that we may have backed off Evans knowing that Bigsby was entering the portal. He was just spitballing but thinks that Garner or Burns may have had some prior knowledge.

He also mentioned that if you want to secure an elite, top ranked QB the going rate behind the scenes is $1.5 to $2M.

I have no basis to refute that last part, but I
just don’t get how that dollar amount is possible/sustainable when most OCs and DCs are barely making that kind of coin.

Does that not throw a team dynamic into utter chaos when some wet behind the ears freshman comes in and he’s making more money than most of the coaches even make?

 

[jave36]

He’s certainly up there.

Clearly not to recruits, based on our DL recruits so far anyway. What you and I think of him isn't really important.

 

[Jack Burton]

I have no basis to refute that last part, but I
just don’t get how that dollar amount is possible/sustainable when most OCs and DCs are barely making that kind of coin.

Does that not throw a team dynamic into utter chaos when some wet behind the ears freshman comes in and he’s making more money than most of the coaches even make?

I don’t think it will be very common. There are probably only 1 or 2 QBs each class who can request that level of money. He also said that if a DL guy like Clowney came along now he could realistically request the same level of money. So it would be rare, but possible.

 

[Weezer]

Umm, made up BS. Ewers turned 19 before graduating from high school. He went to my daughter’s high school…

Not attacking you RiotVol.

Why didn't you recruit him to Tennessee?

 

[butchna]

Yes, it was 2,158-0.

Recall

 

[jave36]

Lol…we knew Garner was good at Auburn, and it was stated as such. How often did this board complain about losing Lawson, Wright, Adams, Brown, and on and on? All drafted by the way. If you don’t care to see what is happening, then keep your eyes closed.

I thought you were a lawyer? Words are supposed to be your specialty in your profession, but you're responding like you totally can't understand the words I'm writing.

We hated losing elite recruits to Auburn, but I didn't see any posts on this board saying "the coaching ability (not recruiting ability) of Garner is the best in the country, so it's no wonder we keep losing these top recruits to him. They're actually smart for going to Auburn instead of Tennessee because Garner will give them a better chance to get to the NFL than anyone at Tennessee." Did you ever see anyone write something like that on here while he was at Auburn? So why are we all of a sudden writing those words now that he's at Tennessee?

And again, the original point I made that you for some reason ignored entirely is that he is not the CONSENSUS best DL coach in the country (like Saban is the consensus best coach in the country, for instance), meaning that not everyone outside of Tennessee believes he gives any given DL recruit the best chance to get to the NFL. My opinion of his coaching ability has nothing to do with it, and his recruiting ability has nothing to do with it. Yet those are the main points being brought up.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Swain’s comments this morning about NIL were interesting. He said that free cookies and chicken are good enough for current roster guys, but that it isn’t enough to secure new recruits or transfers. He’s not worried yet.

Swain also mentioned that we may have backed off Evans knowing that Bigsby was entering the portal. He was just spitballing but thinks that Garner or Burns may have had some prior knowledge.

He also mentioned that if you want to secure an elite, top ranked QB the going rate behind the scenes is $1.5 to $2M.

Yes on the NIL stuff. And that's just gross for a HS QB

 

[Cheatham County Vol]

Swain’s comments this morning about NIL were interesting. He said that free cookies and chicken are good enough for current roster guys, but that it isn’t enough to secure new recruits or transfers. He’s not worried yet.

Swain also mentioned that we may have backed off Evans knowing that Bigsby was entering the portal. He was just spitballing but thinks that Garner or Burns may have had some prior knowledge.

He also mentioned that if you want to secure an elite, top ranked QB the going rate behind the scenes is $1.5 to $2M.

Just don’t like where the game is headed. These kids aren’t professionals.

 

[Batman1948]

Need the D though

Just need to score more points than everyone we play

 

[engineerVOL]

So no one is talking about Milton... does he stick around and try and improve to be the potential starter after next season? Where's his head right now?

He needs to change positions or realize he’s a backup lifer. He’s not bad to have in the bullpen. His time is running out in football. He’s just not savvy or tough.

 

[VolGee4]

I thought you were a lawyer? Words are supposed to be your specialty in your profession, but you're responding like you totally can't understand the words I'm writing.

We hated losing elite recruits to Auburn, but I didn't see any posts on this board saying "the coaching ability (not recruiting ability) of Garner is the best in the country, so it's no wonder we keep losing these top recruits to him. They're actually smart for going to Auburn instead of Tennessee because Garner will give them a better chance to get to the NFL than anyone at Tennessee." Did you ever see anyone write something like that on here while he was at Auburn? So why are we all of a sudden writing those words now that he's at Tennessee?

And again, the original point I made that you for some reason ignored entirely is that he is not the CONSENSUS best DL coach in the country (like Saban is the consensus best coach in the country, for instance), meaning that not everyone outside of Tennessee believes he gives any given DL recruit the best chance to get to the NFL. My opinion of his coaching ability has nothing to do with it, and his recruiting ability has nothing to do with it. Yet those are the main points being brought up.

I am not even responding because this is nonsense. Having 28 players drafted means he can also coach them up. Just another contrarian view by jave. That's what you like to do.

 

[butchna]

He needs to change positions or realize he’s a backup lifer. He’s not bad to have in the bullpen. His time is running out in football.

You think he’s an instant starter at another position he’s never played?

 

[theutvolunteers]

Swain’s comments this morning about NIL were interesting. He said that free cookies and chicken are good enough for current roster guys, but that it isn’t enough to secure new recruits or transfers. He’s not worried yet.

Swain also mentioned that we may have backed off Evans knowing that Bigsby was entering the portal. He was just spitballing but thinks that Garner or Burns may have had some prior knowledge.

He also mentioned that if you want to secure an elite, top ranked QB the going rate behind the scenes is $1.5 to $2M.

That’s a lot of dough for a kid that hasn’t played a down of college ball. My initial thought is I don’t really like it.

 

[UTMVol76]

Lol. Money was the only reason Haynesworth had that monster season in 2008 in the first place. Dude never liked football to begin with.

Precisely my point. Put in the work to get the $$$ then nothing.

Seen it a hundred times. Look at Isiah Wilson for the Titans last year for example....

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Go to Kentucky and you can get it. The reason you don't hear about it is because the drug companies can't maximize profits off of it. I asked my state rep who I've personally known for 25-30 years about weed being legal for medicinal purposes and his response was:
"We don't have enough evidence that it works"
Me: "How much do the big pharma companies pay you to keep that lie going?"

He didn't like what I said and stomped off.

Apparently I can be an ass.

I think you can get this stuff in Tennessee. Smoke shops carry it I believe.

 

[volinbama256]

He needs to change positions or realize he’s a backup lifer. He’s not bad to have in the bullpen. His time is running out in football. He’s just not savvy or tough.

Would like to see what happens to him with a complete year under his belt with Heup and staff to see if he learns and adapts... who knows, maybe he improves under the right coaching... I know he caught heat about the Ole Miss game and the overthrows, so let's see if he takes that and builds off of it... I still think there's potential there... not saying a starting role, but definitely improvement for his own game.

 

[Cheatham County Vol]

That’s a lot of dough for a kid that hasn’t played a down of college ball. My initial thought is I don’t really like it.

I don’t see how any sort of shrewd money guy is going to shell out that kind of money for an unproven 17-18 year old kid. I can see it with a proven transfer.

 

[UTMVol76]

All those metrics could just as easily mean he's the best recruiter. If he were as good as you all are acting, we'd have every top DL in the country begging to play for us.

All this would be disregarding the OBVIOUS improvement alone that we saw on our defensive line this year. All you have to do is listen to the current player on Garner's approach and expectations and you can tell there's an obvious difference. I think you are trying way too hard to be a contrarian here. #1 we had the investigation looming which caused issues. #2 he got us in doors in year 1 with recruits that were shut before. Regardless of the outcome with Nolen, that is another obvious one, we were OUT of the running for him in March.

 

[i2amavol]

Saw some people talking about this while internetting. . . it's crazy that there are natural ways to fight most chemical dependencies and they are so hard to find. Apparently this plant can eliminate the withdrawal symptoms of alcohol and opioid dependents. Crazy, it could help a ton of people, but not many know about it. . .

Kratom for Alcohol Withdrawal: How to Use It | Fit Recovery

P01-50-Kratom and alcohol dependence: Clinical symptoms, withdrawal treatment and pharmacological mechanisms- A case report - ScienceDirect

I am not going to tell you that I am the world's authority on kratom, but most of my colleagues in the field of drug prevention would tell you they have a negative view of this drug. Many people who are in recovery from opioids will crave a replacement, and many end up trying kratom. I have personally had them say to me that it is a nightmare, and only trading one addictive drug for another. Now, in a clinical setting, it might be useful, but I doubt it's usefulness when bought from a local source, and used recreationally. I also do not know of any reputable doctors who are promoting it's use.

There already medications - suboxone and vivitrol - that can be used in a clinical setting. When properly prescribed, within a carefully managed program, they can be very effective.

Even then, choose your doctor carefully. Many are out for money, rather than actually helping their patients.

 

[jave36]

I am not even responding because this is nonsense. Having 28 players drafted means he can also coach them up. Just another contrarian view by jave. That's what you like to do.

Who said he can't? I'm really truly astounded that you can't seem to grasp the point I'm making, despite my making it several different ways. When did I say Garner can't coach up players? All I said is that not everyone outside TN believes he is THE BEST at getting any given DL player to the NFL (i.e. "he's not the consensus top DL coach in the country"). You haven't written a single word addressing the only point that I made, but you come at me calling me contrarian?

 

[Dooby15]

I’ve gotta get out of this state. Tennessee calls to me… “come home son… come home.”

 

[i2amavol]

Auburn is in our Kool Aid every single Signing Day. Feels like every year I check our boards and their boards and we have the same targets.

Death to the Tiger teams.

Yes, and the ones that come down to the wire, they seem to always get. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

 

[jave36]

All this would be disregarding the OBVIOUS improvement alone that we saw on our defensive line this year. All you have to do is listen to the current player on Garner's approach and expectations and you can tell there's an obvious difference. I think you are trying way too hard to be a contrarian here. #1 we had the investigation looming which caused issues. #2 he got us in doors in year 1 with recruits that were shut before. Regardless of the outcome with Nolen, that is another obvious one, we were OUT of the running for him in March.

I'm contradicting the asinine argument that everyone outside TN believes he gives a DL recruit the best chance to get to the NFL. I personally couldn't name anyone I would rather have than Garner, but you guys think any kind of objective conversation about what others who aren't TN fans means I'm being negative and don't like Garner.

The fact that you brought up his recruiting ability proves you totally and completely ignored my original post, which had nothing at all to do with his recruiting ability. Nolen and all the rest of the DL recruits do not believe he's the best and only coach who can get them to the league, which is basically what the original post I responded to was trying to argue.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I don’t see how any sort of shrewd money guy is going to shell out that kind of money for an unproven 17-18 year old kid. I can see it with a proven transfer.

They analyze the options and go with what projects to have the best performance. They know exactly what $ amount is a good value/avg value/bad value. They know what their limits are and whatever their model analysis shows as good value for an endorsement, they will gladly pay it. . . regardless of the amount (assuming they are financially capable of carrying that initial debt.)